Nasa Issues Warning of Solar Superstorm 2012 - "One Billion Could Die!"

reply to post by MJZoo


.....yeah!..lets start a colony!..ill milk the cow underground as my new acquired wings will provide the ventilation system...
maybe i shouldn t be laughing so much...

Originally posted by SassyCat
To answer everyone's obvious question: there is no "NASA report" - this is just yet another sensationalist exploitation of a short and quite old TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku's in which he warns about biggest yet solar storm that could kill some satellites and damage some expensive electric equipment on the open.

no its not, theres a lot of nasa reports, if you cared to look

science.nasa.gov...

My god....this is about that old video rewritten in an article to generate some website views, don't go to far with it. A lot of articles lately coming into ATS are pointless rambling only to try to get some advertisement money...I could just be judging on a few, but I've also proven a few.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by SassyCat
To answer everyone's obvious question: there is no "NASA report" - this is just yet another sensationalist exploitation of a short and quite old TV interview with Dr. Michio Kaku's in which he warns about biggest yet solar storm that could kill some satellites and damage some expensive electric equipment on the open.

no its not, theres a lot of nasa reports, if you cared to look

science.nasa.gov...

The language, tone, conclusions etc in that NASA document are a country mile from the sensationalist claims made in the OP and newspaper articles!

So SassyCat is correct.

WE've always known that a solar storm can knockout electrical systems..IF THEY ARE ON! so as long as we switch them off just before the storm arrives we will be fine (it says so in the above NASA document ). The next trick is in knowing when the storm will arrive. However, we can see storms approaching (if they move slower than the speed of light) so the question is how fast can we switch off key systems that don't have surge protection.

Nothing like adding a billion deaths and worldwide chaos to make old information sound interesting is there

reply to post by purplemer


Yeah exactly, there are lots of reports, none of which state that 'one billion could die', or that there will be a solar superstorm in 2012, that is all made up bs, no scientific proof whatsoever.

Also they are talking about how to protect satellites

Much of the damage can be mitigated if managers know a storm is coming. Putting satellites in 'safe mode' and disconnecting transformers can protect these assets from damaging electrical surges. Preventative action, however, requires accurate forecasting—a job that has been assigned to NOAA.

A century-class solar storm, the Academy warned, could cause twenty times more economic damage than Hurricane Katrina.

ECONOMIC damage, where in the article does it say that 'a billion could die' ?

reply to post by purplemer


That article does absolutely nothing beside point out a bunch of "If, then" scenarios. It has nothing to do with probabilities or expectations. You've posted it as a response to a question that it doesn't even answer.


Cheers,
Strype

reply to post by heineken


as well as the fact that modern food practice is based mostly on freezing, refrigeration and machinery, even for veg farming.

Imagine the mess of all the worlds defrosted and unrefrigerated produce as well as where all the future produce would be from.

Even in the unlikely event that only the electric grid was affected, it would have catastrophic results as practically everything is powered by or reliant on electricity at least somewhere in the chain if not directly.

One would hope gov's are thinking in terms of contingency but it doesn't provide much hope when relatively minor disasters were not adequately averted or the correct measures taken if they happened.

Originally posted by neOrevolutionist
and not a word from MSM beyond a "ha ha" isn't this funny. Well I guess I need to get my B.O.B. ready sooner than I thought.

it should already be ready zombies could come at anytime.

that video is a few years old but point taken.
We are so reliant on technology now, that even losing electricity for a week in the U.S would cause severe consequences. Almost all businesses use the internet in some form, how would the public be aware of what's going on without their their electricity or communication devices?

reply to post by Trublbrwing


I have read a few reports on how it is 2011.....seems feasible.

All the gas pumps run on electricity. If no one is able to get gas, that alone would cause much chaos.

Not a word from NASA about this. Once again we have the most serious of Government Space organisations warning of a storm in 2012 that is gonna wipe out a billion people and NASA, the world's premier Space Organisation is saying nothing about it.

Why when NASA makes a huge announcement like this, does NASA not say anything about it. It must be a government coverup every time the government says anything.

If you look at the NASA site all you find is the same old tired scientific crap about how this solar maximum is going to be much smaller than ones we've had recently and that the sun's activity is actually even falling short of that low prediction. It looks like a complete fizzer of a solar maximum on the way.

No mention of this incredible massive solar storm that NASA has predicted, and no mention of the exact date on which it is going to occur. The only thing they say is it is not possible to predict solar storms more than a few hours in advance.

What is wrong with our major space agency that they can't confirm every 2012 doom monger's predictions with actual science. When NASA issues a major warning like this, NASA should say something about it instead of trying to silence the truth with actual science.

At least Michio Kaku has taken the side of NASA on this one and hasn't been tempted to silence the truth by quoting from NASA. At least one nut is looking out for us!

reply to post by ModerateSkeptic


None of NASA's reports discuss the fact that billions could die, because it isn't their job to discuss such things. As in, if NASA were tomorrow to discover that a meteor was going to strike the Earth (lets say, with a diameter of 2000mi or 3,218.69km) they wouldn't be on the news saying "The world will die tomorrow". They'd leave it to the Government, who would, as they so famously do, wait until the last moment to release this information, and since it only takes 4 days(+/-) for a CME to reach the Earth from the sun, it really would be last minute (if they bothered to tell us at all).
NASA also isn't in the business of making distant predictions, but not that they have to. An EMP from the sun doesn't need a prediction. Its inevitable. An EMP will hit the Earth at some point, and as has been mentioned in this thread before, they generally come in 100-150 year cycles.
Go to SOHO's website and look at the sun, comparing last year to this year, and you can see a major increase in solar output.
People can bury their head in the sand and continue to drink the kool-aid that the Government is serving up, just like they do about the dangers of Nuclear Energy, but just like Nuclear Power Plant Melt Downs, it isn't if it can happen, its when.

reply to post by Mactire


You are quite right. No matter what the alarmists and/or the heads in the sand crowd make of it we have already had solar storms powerful enough to knock out our power grids and electronics. And shutting it all down would only have limited success. There are always circuits that, even though de-energized, would still be capable of carrying currents induced from the solar flare that would be strong enough to damage them. This is especially true in complex electronic gear. And even the power grid depends on complex electronic gear to control it.

And there is no way everyone could prepare for this happening. If you look at the scale of fresh food being brought into every large city just for normal operations on a daily basis it is easy to see that the logistics of preparation for an extended time without power and transportation is impossible. I used to work for Wal-Mart in the produce department and we would receive anywhere from three to six skids piled five to six feet high every day of the week. And that was just one department in one store. Overall the store I worked at would receive from four to eight truckloads of meat, dairy, produce, and canned or boxed food every day of the week.

It would take less than four days to completely deplete the food stock at a store and what didn't get taken in the first day or two that needed refrigeration would spoil and be useless.

Be aware that this is not just some whacko doomsday scenario. It has already happened and we were just lucky enough to have been living in a time of low technology when it did. It WILL happen again, we just don't know for sure when. And there is no realistic way to prepare society as a whole for it. The only ones to survive will be those who did prepare for it on their own or were lucky enough to live in a small farming community where they already grow much of their own food. For most of the people in large cities it would be time to bend over, tuck your head between your legs, and kiss your tush goodbye. It wouldn't take long before people in large cities were killing each other for a half can of rotting cat food.

Is this straight from NASA's website? If not then I'm not interested in it..Not even 000000.1% interested in it.

SO WHO SAID "One billion will die". Miko??.. does he work for NASA?.. Is he their spokesperson?

I personally think that if such a solar storm were to happen and be powerful enough to affect the entire civilized world a death toll of one billion is conservative.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by Seekeye2

 

There are many 2012 hypotheses and opinions....and recent reports are it is actually 2011 instead of 2012!

The peak seem to be happening in 2013.
See charts here:
Solar cycle

Although, the peak will not be as high as it was 2000 and 2002.

Anything with Helium as a source should go directly to the Hoax forums or at least to Skunk Works.

"One Billion Could Die!"....Really? you should be docked points for even thinking about adding that to the thread title.

Like we needed anymore sensationalist threads on ATS you have to go and make that absurd statement.