Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate

Originally posted by ubermunche
Can we just cut this debate to the quick and ask Istvan what, if he had any say, we should actually do with gay people, how they should be dealt with.

Deal with them the same way you deal with "straight" people. I suspect that many of the people that we think are "straight" are in reality gay and just play at being "straight" for the convenience of interfacing with society.

Yeah, I am so sure about that... I wonder, what comes next But just remember what you wrote when you write any comment in a pedophil topic, just as well as here.

Id would like to say that animals do not think like us humans. We have can choose wether we would like to be gay or not with relitive ease. Firstly, i would like to say that if a guy gets turned on by another guy that is weird but it is there cup of tea. The thing is, I do not support this and as well i belive that they should try straight before they decide to go gay. I know where this is going now. If you think that they should try straight then shouldnt you try being gay. Now you are asking me somthing that is not only unethical but it is something that i find completely outrageous. Firstly i am married to my wonderful wife janet. Second of all i am not only not turned on by other men but personaly i need some nice women to even get turned on. If another guy gets turned on by another guy all i can do is shutter.

Finally reading some of this topic i realize that it is mainly about animals. My dogs Midas and Bandit are both fixed and Midas, being the larger dog, activly continues to hump Bandit. This does not mean that he is gay. Not only is there no other female dogs in the area but what is to say that he is trying to be dominant? As well before i got my female cat named boo my male cat Gizmo repeditly humped an inanimate object (stuffed frog). This only suggests that animals get pleasure out of having sex (if you can even call it that). Now does this entiltile humans to be gay? NOT AT ALL. Just because other animals such as monkey, etc engage in gay intercourse does not entitle us to be gay. Our minds are far more advanced and are able to reason. This shows that we should be able to understnad the difference's and not go humping our computer monitors just for some fun. Another point is we do not have any clue as to what the animal is thinking when they are doint this. Our main impression is that the main goal in our life is to be fruitfull and multiply. Does the animal know the difference between a male and a female? Does the animal know what will work and what wont? How do we know? The point is we do know the difference. Finally I would like to say masterbateing is natural. Now do animals masterbate? I havent seen many records of this if any at all. So this would meen that the animal will need something, hense the first thing they can get there hands on to jack off with. Us humans on the other hand do not have to do such things becuase we now how to stimulate ourselves and we have a tool that we know how to use, hense our hand. Im am deeply sry if this offended anyone, but i would like to get this straight in some peoples eyes. Sry if this was already stated.

[edit on 8/3/2004 by SirKillallot]

[edit on 8/3/2004 by SirKillallott]

Let's keep this thread clean please.
Just a reminder...


[edit on 3-8-2004 by ZeddicusZulZorander]

thx for the reminder ill remeber next time

[edit on 8/3/2004 by SirKillallott]

If you dont like the rules, leave.

Iam sure he cannot provide "special" warnings to you because of your "specialness"... He's only doing his job the way its is supposed to happen.

[edit on 8/3/04 by HumptyDumpty]

humptydumpty your comment was not needed thank you

yes but ZeddicusZulZorander is a moderator and doesnt need any help from u


anyway, end of subject

[edit on 8/3/2004 by SirKillallott]

Either was yours before you edited it. Thank you.

Take it easy now everyone...



Remember Team Skippy recommends you just push away from the keyboard, take a deep breath, look at Skippy for 10 seconds, and.....e-x-a-l-e.

Ok now, back to the topic at hand.

Sir Killalot all you've done is made valid the claim that we can only get aroused by what we get aroused by, so you need pussy well guess what, it works both ways so meet my friend Dick. I'm not really getting this idea that people are being encouraged to try both sexes, in my experience those who try both are interested in both still it's nice to see the masturbation issue has been effectively dealt with so it's acceptable within this high moral framework you operate in, after all you never know when you might need it eh Kill. By the way my male cat masturbates but then he's an animal and as humans we should be able to make reasoned moral choices that transcend our animal urges shouldn't we Kill, or is it only when these choices impinge on other peoples needs and not your own.

Istvan continues to bark at the moon with his gay=paedophile implications and serves as a warning to us all about what happens when we don't take our medication.

Your cat masterbates

Personally i dont quite see how that hapens other than humping objects . But other than that like i said i am married and i have no use for masterbation any more. But you are right whatever turns someone on is what turns them on and therefore may be right in their eyes but that does not mean it is right. Many things that humans do are not right and im sure that i have done a few of them in my time. The only thing that entiltes me to judge gay people is what is said in the bible, the one thing that i stand by which is be fruitful and multipy. I guess that doesnt mean that you nessicarily HAVE to do that, and therefore does not ban being gay. I think i have had enough of trying to influence people on this topic (like the warning i have recived). Finally i would like to say that gay people can go and be gay if they want, frankly after today i really dont care. In my eyes its still wrong but hey thats just me. Just dont go slobbering over me

Animal behavior is immaterial when discussing appropriate behavior for humans. Dogs eat their own excrement. Shall we condone that behavior for humans, as well.

[edit on 04/8/3 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Shall we condone that behavior for humans, as well.

What society condones and what humans actually do are two completely different things. Don't be deluded to think that what society gives its stamp of aproval to has any bases in reality, truth or what is natural.

Originally posted by Jonna

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Shall we condone that behavior for humans, as well.

What society condones and what humans actually do are two completely different things. Don't be deluded to think that what society gives its stamp of aproval to has any bases in reality, truth or what is natural.

You needn't worry about my being deluded, Jonna. When your talking human behavior, you're speaking my language, especially social behavior. Society, when it's hitting on all cylinders, does its best to reinforce certain pro-social behaviors and extinguish all anti-social behavior. What made this nation strong was that it rewarded behavior that benefits its strength and punished those that do not. The tables have now turned and the laws are used to protect the lawless, while the law-abiding are left to fend for themselves with police who are stretched too thinly and have been almost neutered by the crushing weight of bureaucracy and continually diminished constitutional rights to self-protection.

Homosexuality is deleterious to society. It is one of the most ancient of taboos for the very reason that its effects have been repeated over and over again until the prohibitions against this behavior have been codified by enduring societies.

It should go without saying that the full range of possible human behavior does not fall within the range of acceptable behavior for civilized societies. The ancient Greeks believed that the quality of humanness was an acquired trait. To be fully human, one must first become civilized. In more modern terms, we might say that to be homo sapiens sapiens is not a sufficient condition to be human. There must also be present the process of socialization.

Certainly, this view can be taken to the extreme and we should value the lives of even our most primitive brethren, but we can see that in order to have an orderly, enduring society, we must reward and punish certain behaviors. It very well may be that males raping females is a very natural behavior, but we might be hard pressed to find many women (or men, for that matter) who will allow that this behavior is acceptable.

Recently, there was a man discovered in the Caribbean who had been, from his youth, shut away in a chicken coop with the chickens. This individual thinks that he is a chicken and his behavior is that of a chicken. This is not normal human behavior (defining normal as that which falls statistically along a continuum that includes roughly 67% of the population), but it is entirely natural in so far as this individual has modeled the only behavior available to him.

Not only is homosexuality not normal, it has been unacceptable to most civilized societies, and certainly those that have endured, throughout history. Our progressive views will not change human nature. All the benefits of civilization that we all enjoy are founded in the family. Everything that benefits the family benefits society. Homosexuality fails this test by definition.



[edit on 04/8/4 by GradyPhilpott]

Dear dear me. Some of you are replying with such tripe! Look, we've been round this again and again. Homosexuality, both orientation and behavior, is a normal and natural fact of existence, human, animal, and insect. The arguments about this simply stem from the fact of peoples own moral and ethical concerns. Science has declared that, yes, homosexuality is normal and it is natural, it does have atleast a partial biological basis, it is not chosen, it is not changable, and it has constituted a constant 10% populace since humanity's origin. Homosexual activity is a function that fulfills the sexual drive and role as completely and fully as heterosexuality, and is the non-procreative, natural variant on the use of the sexual faculties and anatomical gender. Anyone who denies any of this clearly do so in the face of scientifically known and taught fact. You might as well try and refute Galileo in 2008. Sure there are scientific organizations and psychiatric units that teach the contrary, perhaps many infact. But even they do this as minority, scientifically out-moded splinter-groups.

OMG!! you guys are dense, it's not animals are gay, it's called domination, when you see two males humping each other in the animal kingdom, they are trying to dominate each other. Same thing with the females in the animal kingdom, God they are not gay, they want to control the other dog so they hump them. Get it!! Geez!! I swear do any of you people have a brain?! What do you calla dog that's humping you're leg, gay? NO they want to dominate you!!! Common sense people!!! UGH!

reply to post by Jess31


Not only that but its just the natural instinct to breed.You can't overcome millions of years of evolution to tell your pets or animal they are "gay"

It is dangerous to use animal behavour as a yardstick for what is moral and immoral in humans. Some animals kill and eat their young. That doesn't mean it's ok for humans to do it.


edit: Grady and I have the same thoughts on this topic...

[edit on 17-7-2008 by TheComte]

To use "homosexual" actions in an animal, especially two penguins in a zoo, A very unnatural setting for penguins. Hell, they are probably pissed off at bing caged up and are protesting the confinement by refusing to procreate.

To justify homosexual actions in humans by homosexual actions in an animal is absurd.

To you it might look to be a product of their natural genes, but it is probably not that at all.

it is a naturalistic fallacy of logic to base human behavior on even what a human finds naturally inclined to do.

For instance:
1. It is natural to be angry.
2. Therefore being angry is okay.

1. It is natural to play with your private parts when you have the naturally occurring urge to do so.
2. Therefore whenever you feel the natural urge to paly with your private parts you should naturally do so.

1. It is natural for a lion to kill a gazelle.
2. Therefore if I have the natural urge to kill a gazelle I should do it.

1. It is natural to be angry enough to want to kill someone.
2. Therefore since it is a natural urge, the next time I get that angry I will kill the person.

1.It is natural to have thoughts of stealing money from a bank.
2. Therefore next time I will do so when "naturally" inclined to do so.

I don't see how this is possible. If genitcs played a part in homosexuals, shouldn't we be out of them by now? That is to say if penguins recieved homosexual behaviour from genetics, then how would theses genes be passed on? Two male penguins can not produce offspring together. Even if some male homosexual penguins had sex with female penguins, their preference for mating with male penguins would eventually thin out the homosexual penguin population so that their occurrence would be rare, and eventually extinct.

You seem to have a limited view of reality. I have many gay friends, many of which went through a bi phase (not to deny the validity of being bisexual) where they tried to deny their homosexuality. Many of these had children in the pursuit of such repression. Even more come out later in life after having a family and children. Too few come out as gay early in life and never have female sexual relations. In act it is usually after having sex with a girl that some gay men or women realize their true sexuality.
Add to this the studies that have shown that genetics for making one gay may be passed down from a mother with many male children and I don't see how your statement is at all constructive.