Orgasms Without Love Are feeding Evil!

How do we factor in animals who masturbate , are they also increasing the negative energy of the planet ?
I know monkeys and dogs can masturbate as can cats !

Although men and women both masturbate for pleasure , so is self love not love in itself !
are we not allowed to love ourselves through some weird cosmic authority ?

reply to post by sapien82


This is addressed eloquently in this post.

We need to stop behaving like dogs and monkeys with intellect. Looking at the current state of things, this is painfully obvious; yet we persist in acting worse than animals.

Some animals will literally eat until they die if given the opportunity. So it is obvious that if such animals were given an intellect and opposable thumbs, that they would stop at nothing to hoard food, to the extent of bombing others with nuclear weapons so that they can fulfill their desires at the expense of others. We act just like the animals who would eat until they're dead, but with intellect.

Thus is the intellectual-animal mistakenly called Man.

reply to post by Tamahu


this may work for the dedicated few , but you honestly expect that in order for our planet to get better , if people stop masturbating and stop having flings and one night stands.!
That is never going to happen , sex is like a drug , and lets face it very addictive .

If we told the world tomorrow in order to save our planet we must stop having sex unless with your lover , wife partner , then no one would do it .

Humans are stuck with sex , because it primarily drives us in life to suceed to continue to evolve .
without sex our gene pool decreases and stops the genetic diversity of our species which keeps us alive and makes us strong. We are designed for this act , and we should not suppress it .

I appreciate you that your point is we should have more control over it , I agree , population control for our species is a requirement in order to ensure the safety of our species, self control but not imposed control.

Im not sure that having sex without love would cause the world to be filled with negative energy , because most people do have sex for a good reason , its because they want to !
If thats causing good happy vibrations then why is that causing negative energy

I would like to partake in a study , if this can be measured we can form a thesis,
me and my fiance' will submit to a sex study of energy
but how do we measure negative energy as opposed to positive energy ?

reply to post by Tayesin


From what I have read, this is wrong. One orgasm, leads to a complete loss of all progress already made. You then have to start at the bottom and climb back up. So you can't have a balance of the two.

reply to post by Scorpitarius

Chk out harry edwards from uk. He used to use sexual energies for healing purposes

reply to post by sapien82


You have a point, to a certain extent anyway.

I've often pointed out, by citing Samael Aun Weor (such as in this post), that even if the majority of the people would at least keep things within what Kabbalah refers to as the sphere of Nahemah, that things would be overall much better.

The reason for this being that our attitude towards Sex largely effects our attitude towards life, considering that Sexual Energy is the cause of all life. The two are inseparable.

Now it seems that you're talking about wanting to demonstrate the reality of sexual energy as something that is demonstrable to others, and not just demonstrable to ourselves as an individual experiment; and I may address this more later. Although for now, let's just say that "Ye shall know them by their fruits".

Anyway, the outcome of the sphere of Lilith exists as things like homosexuality, contraception, masturbation, pederasty, sadomasochism, etc.; whereas the worst outcome of the sphere of Nahemah, is fornication and adultery between members of the opposite sex.

Link: The Abyss: Lilith versus Nahemah

So even if Scientific Chastity were not to be taken up by the majority of society, social reforms that would make Nahemah-like activity to be more common than Lilith-like activity, would be a step that would be a cause for a better overall social atmosphere, at least a much better social atmosphere than what we currently have.

Unfortunately, the henchmen of Lilith are very active in most aspects of society right now.

Bachelors/Bachelorettes who want to avoid the pitfalls of Lilith and Nahemah, can practice Pranayama.

I like the opening post - this has been my experience too.
What is more, already the act of being aroused by commercial images divorced from love for a while - like net porn - seems to have a radiating bad effect for a few days even if one does not have an orgasm.
Things go out of whack - you can call it bad luck, lack of understanding people etc.

Here I disagree with some of the people who support the OP. What counts from the point the very first post is not ejaculation or no ejaculation (and their equivalent in a female being) but whether you are divorced from love or not.
Although the Tantric approach certainly has its own merits, I have experienced it more and more that the results of arousal without orgasm can lead to very extatic states indeed, and started to spontaneously grow to like this more than simple orgasm.

When I am either celibate or have loving sex though, a lot of things improve as if by magic.
As a therapist myself (from a more rational school called NLP) I have compared these days for years and actually there seems to be differences that cannot be attributed to anything else. If desire is divorced from a feeling of love it feeds negative entities.

It is interesting how many people misunderstood the opening post and thought that the OP said all masturbation was bad or that it says all orgasm was bad. Maybe because there was an intelligent summary of tantric sex right after the opening post.
Yes, there are schools of religion as well as tantra that teach that, but that is not the interesting part in this thread.
I believe some people should be celibate because that is a good way for them, some should masturbate (but preferably being aroused by a person they feel at least some degree of love and understanding towards, and NOT to commercial, manipulative images), some should try tantric sex with their partner, and some should have regular normal orgasms with partners they love. What this thread shows is a warning derived from experience and a theory that goes hand in hand (I am referring to the lecture on scalar science by Jonathan) that whatever sex you do, try not to let it separate from love and not to let it mix with negative thoughts and feelings and you will have a much easier personal energy.

I think few people listened to the lecture cited in the opening post - it is rather long and I am listening to it in installments - I am at 2 hours right now. The curious thing is I usually have no patience to listen to stuff on videos - I do far too quick reading and frequent places like this for fun and education. But this Jonathan guy is really neat. He has this different theory about atomic structures, dark matter, the Earth, and healing cancer - he calls it scalar because healing for example takes palce by a scalar jump from cellular or tissue consciousness to the whole of your being. It is very intriguing and I think people who come in here arguing (including scientific skeptics) would do better listening and reading this captioned lecture. You could argue with it but a few things are clear to me:
1. modern physics IS concerned with thinking at the level he does, in fact there is a whole school of astrophysicists who do
2. he is not a god or guru or moral judger or any kind of master, he does not want you to follow him or worship him or pay him, he simply wants you to consider his thoughts which he says are accessible to us all anyway. I don't know if he got these interesting thoughts in meditation, from eating magic mushrooms, or tantric sex, I don't know much about him anyway except that THIS lecture the OP cites has a lot of merit.
3. his scalar explanations about the nature of the physical universe do have some psychological consequences, one of which is the statements of the opening posts - paraphrased: the wrong mix of dark energy and directed proton energy can result in partial destruction of structure
4. his thinking does have very strong parallels to Chinese Daoism as well as to the Shiva-Shakti schools of Indo-Tibetan mysticism - but he methodically applied this thinking to dark matter surrounding galaxies, the so-called wave/particle theory etc.

I also agree that net porn as well as TV are deeply manipulative. My favorite book, War in Heaven, a funny mediumistic assessment of the development of mankind calls these the Fifth Stage of Theocracy.
For all those that dislike the stern medieval attitude of the Judeo-Christian tradition or Mohammedanism, we can say that the powers without love have developed new ways to enslave people by subliminal stuff as well as the presuppositions and anchoring well known in therapeutic sciences - in essence, being addicted to porn or TV
is the same thing as being sacrificed to Aztec or Phoenician gods, or being denied life in the inquisitorial style of Christianity (as opposed to the words of Jesus which are naturally endorsed by any spiritual person who understands them.)

Absolute skeptics should try to elicit some out-of-body experience - e.g. with the help of the vibrations put out by binaurals or the Monroe Institute and once they have an experience like that we would be able to have an intelligent argument. Otherwise it makes no sense to participate in a discussion like this, with the only added proviso that I also dislike Theocratic slavery of any kind and I guess this is where we agree. Where we do not is that although I am very keen on science, I do not think we have the ultimate word and scalar and dark matter theory could be actually where we would go beyond quantum physics.

Thank you all, especially the OP.

A couple of more thoughts: For people who shun Theocratic wording, the expression "entities" can be a turnoff. It is shorthand for a balance between magnetic and electrical energies gone astray, you can say energies out of place that have a fragment of consciousness and turn against you.
When your world is in balance, and you feel that basically the Universe is one, and everything happens for a reason, you can achieve for example spontaneous remissions from cancer. I agree with Jonathan that cancer is a matter of unhealthy separation. In homeopathic thought (credit goes to Rajan Shankaran among others), the nosode Carcinosum prepared from cancer cells correlates with a state of mind where the individual feels "possessed." The consumer society is built upon this sense of being possessed, by greed, impersonal sex without feelings, people separated from their environment and their ecology. The rich and the privileged being separated from the poor and the powerless.
This is the exact logic of cancer cells in a human body. They no longer embrace the unity of life and death which is normal, they turn on a gene which makes them "immortal." Except they end up killing the host organism. The same logic applies to international corporations and power elites - they are disconnected from their original purpose and function in a larger society and universe.
The moment of healing takes place in spontaneous remission cases when the individual can feel at one with everything and so can his or her cells.
In society, you have healing when the male and female styles of being, thought and feeling are in balance.
Just like at the atomic level or the level of the Earth - we are part of Its consciousness, It is aware of itself partly through us. Life happens at the borderline and at the mixing of yin and yang. People did not evolve in the core of the Earth, nor up in the sky but at the meeting point where natural forces are in balance. This is purely scientific philosophy. The Moon, one of the ancient symbols of femininity, circles the Earth in the yin sphere which is opposite the Earth's core which is yang. These some of Jonathan's thoughts paraphrased.

Animals in my opinion have deep feelings. Also, they usually do not watch pornography whether they masturbate or not. Who knows what goes on in a monkey's mind when they masturbate. Perhaps it thinks of images or earlier copulation, the opposite sex etc. Surely no commercial, manipulative images.

I do not say these things in order to judge anyone. I myself have been in their shoes. It is simply that learning to deal with sexual energy in a constructive way will raise your energy level and health - just try it.
Some posters take this one or two levels further - they say that only tantric sex is good or only absolute chastity is good. I think I have positive experiences with both, but I also think that individual evolution of consciousness does not proceed by force and rules and regulations - only through charm, trial and error.
If you try to be constructive about your sexual fantasies, you will get to a point where you feel better that is all. This state of being has its charm. It is all right to fall back - just like when you try to get out of any habit.

Electricity has its useful side and it can be also horrible if you apply it wrongly. Wrong here is technical, no moral judgment. Sexual energy can have good or bad results in your life. As long as you are alive, there is always a chance to change and try something more interesting than what you did so far...

This entire thread is hogwash

In order to prove the claim, you'd have to prove the following:

1) Evil exists.
2) Orgasms somehow benefit evil.
3) There's a difference between orgasms with a loved one and someone you just wanna bang because you believe them to be hot.

Both claims haven't been proven by objective evidence, and until they are, this entire thread is religious based nonsense

What does the word "objective" mean to you?
It is derived from the word "object" - to regard and measure something as an object. That is one part of human experience.
But who are you really?
Can you measure that in any objective way?
Or could we say that you do not exist because there is no objective way of proving that you do?
Stalin once banned psychology in the Soviet Union because he declared that it is against scientific materialism that the psyche would exist, therefore we do not need a pseudo-science to study it...

reply to post by Kokatsi


"Objective"

Having actual existence or reality.

Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices

Based on observable phenomena; presented factually

Seriously, was that so hard?

from the video link posted.....

Listen and download more of Jonathan's sessions at: www.lukasig.com... The Healing Begins Now is a great audio session from the "Reconnecting to Spirit" series by Jonathan (aka adampants). He shares his lessons from the creative spirit, and very clearly explains much about our reality, and how it works. Through the love of creative spirit, we will be reconnected to ourselves as life, even through all this manipulation. Before you judge some of what is being said here, try to understand what Jonathan is really trying to communicate.

ah....
a channeled from spirit message. good. this is not apparently from some fundamentalist.

my own take on what he says, is that the sexual energy is one of *the* most powerful "connectors" between two people and it is one of the reasons why, in my own opinion, why a couple who have been married for 40 or more years often look alike!
Any time you have sex with someone your aura is "spotwelded" to that person's aura. if that person has had sex with others, some of *their* enegy is also added to your aura and soul.

I will not even add any more to this post; my intuition is "self-evident" to those who know and for those who do not belive, it will not matter to them no matter how lucidly I try to explain it!

freestone

reply to post by freestonew


And your link is a great example of why subjective evidence isn't reliable

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

Master ...will I grow hair on my palms? If I do grow hair on my palms will people still care for me?

One of my first orgasms was climbing on a swing set....ohhhhh..swingset (getting misty eyed)

reply to post by Leo Strauss


Unless you loved that swingset, you fed evil...shame on you!!!

reply to post by Scorpitarius


Everything happens for a reason, if God didn't want me to rub one off he would of made my arms shorter...


PS: I love myself so it doesn't count

reply to post by Scorpitarius


I agree greatly. I have never masturbated because it's really only maybe a minute of pleasure, and it can even lead to an addiction. It's best to avoid sex unless you truly love someone.

reply to post by MrXYZ


This is an exploration of comparing data on subjective experiments. As is all psychologx except the Pavlovian conditioning type. After years and years of comparison, and translating subjective common experiences to objective data, you will have that too. Just like when psychologists prposed that too much TV degeneretes the mind. It took decades to end up with quantifyable numbers and populations. But many of the early guesses proved to be right - such as academic excellence suffering from mind control exerted via televisions.
So it seems like you want the end result accepted by mainstream society about an experimental comparison most in the realm of studying the subjective first.
I advise you to read some Carl Jung.
Before, it makes no sense to butt in this thread as long as you are not willing to try the emprirical angle - try and you will see this or that, argument closed,
Kokatsi

Originally posted by Tayesin
Consider the spiritual path of celibacy as one end of the spectrum, and at the other end is sexual addiction.

Like everything in experiencing Life as a Human Being, a healthy Balance is the more effective path. You can be an Aware Soul in your physical body and still function as a sexual human being.

We have the ability to "top-up" the energy level we are experiencing at any time we choose.

Excellent suggestion. Ive had two periods in my life where Ive practiced over 3 years of celibacy at a time. Although both instances were following a long term relationship I had a very normal/active sex life otherwise. I am currently happily married four years and counting so I don't know if I will ever do this again but it was powerful and intense periods of growth in my life and I attribute it all to the holding of the potent sexual energy.

Sometime at the height of my celibacy I was working as a broker in downtown Manhattan and I would seriously have women throwing themselves at me and Im not a super handsome guy or anything I know it was the energy I had built up.