US government wages sock puppet war against its own citizens

Originally posted by xuenchen
excellent OP Proto !

I know you have been on this subject for some time now and I have also witnessed (and Participated in) some of the activity with you.

I mentioned on an older thread that if we (the normal theorists) simply keep up with our regular routines, the "Live Soldiers" who monitor and add fuel for the software "Sock Puppets" could very well become "closet believers" and possibly turn themselves over to our ways of thinking !!

They are just as vulnerable as anybody else !

how fine would it be to see a sock puppet response answering to a converted soldier's agreement with a conspiracy theory !! complete with stars & flags !!

I wonder if the software has the ability to remove stars & flags to its' advantage ??

The truth is I think some of them are 'closet' believers, but their wives enjoy stuffing their closets with the clothes that their paychecks buy.

So how many will risk livelihoods and semi-protected status to abandon the dark side of the force is hard to say.

One thing is for sure is we sure have seen some bizarre statistical annomolies on some of the threads we post on together.

Some of the activity defies the odds and any form of logic, so it is very hard to imagine something less than honest is not at play.

You are quite correct we do just have to keep presenting our individual arguments in the face of it all, and perhaps feel special that we sometimes do get such a high level of suspect attention while doing that.

At the end of the day, I would say they fear us more than we fear them.

Thanks for posting my friend.

Originally posted by romanmel
Great thread subject, Pro Trav...

We probably can't keep paid BigGov dis-info agents off ATS or other sites where true patriots gather to discuss situations. This fact does not mean we are defeated. Our focus must not be toward defence of our values as Americans. Truth needs no defence! Our focus must be on promoting truth. Truth will trump paid dis-info agents and their software any day of the week. To resort to this stratagy shows desperation on the part of NWO BigGov

It is most important that we not let fools who have sold their souls to TPTB rule the day with their lies and deceit. Hold your head up high, fight the good fight, stand for TRUTH!

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Excellent post my friend, and I for one find when it comes to dealing with some of the personal attacks and off topic meanderings of some suspect individuals its best not to let them bait you into defending against them.

Example:

Proto I bet you live in Saudi Arabia have 12 wives and finance terrorists.

They would like you to have to deny this to go on the defensive to then make it about guilt or innocense.

Swallow the bait and you get sucked into their game.

So it's all about not allowing them to exploit the situation more than they are just by their mere presence.

Focusing on just the topics and being polite actually frustrates them in their endeavor to derail threads and discredit posters.

When at all possible it's best just not to feed the trolls human or otherwise!

Thanks for posting my friend.

reply to post by Antoniastar

The thing is, there's gotta be more more more end-user accountability with certain software. And I agree, Americans should not put up with it

This is my thinking too, Americans should not put up with this.

It's contrary and counter to our principles of democracy, one vote, one voice.

Thanks for joining in my friend.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



Thanks, Pro Trav...

You are certainly correct to ignore the dis-info agents attempts to side track discussions of the truth. As the old saying goes amongst the less than truthful:

"If you can't dazzell them with brilliance, befuddle them with bull s--t"

BTW, I wasn't aware you had 12 wives. Talk about a man with nerves of steel!!

I talk with individuals who were Hurricane Katrina victims almost everyday and I had a conversation with a lady last week that said her family heard an explosion in New Orleans prior to the levies collasping. The question in her mind were the levies blown intentionally or was it due to the force of the water that made the explosive sound.

This may or may not be shocking to many but it is unbelievable how many individuals who lived thru Hurricane Katrina are dead due to, heart attacks, strokes, cancers, disease and natural causes. The up rooting and displacement of families that were Hurricane victims across these 50 sates is beyond what most people have known about or can even fathom.

The stress alone in their voices and the tears I have heard them shed over their loses can never bring back what washed away in a matter of hours and days. My opinion only, I believe that stress has played a major roll in what has taken place with the health and mental health of Katrina Victims. I wonder if any agency has kept records or statistics on how many families have lost members since August 29th, 2005 that were Katrina Hurricane victims. ^Y^

reply to post by amari


I have to tell you I live in Miami and Hurricanes are a way of life that people living in zones affected them try to get use to.

Most turn out to be near misses or weak storms.

In fact the eye of Katrina passed over my house here in Surfside Florida as a weak category 1 storm before heading across the Florida Pinensula and out into the Gulf of Mexico where it grew it into a monster category 5 before coming ashore in Lousiana as a category 3.

A powerful and dangerous storm.

For Miamiams nothing conjures up more fear and dread than thoughts of Hurricane Andrew upgraded from a Category 5 post storm from a Category 4.

To this day mention of the storm some 20 years later will prompt grown and hardened men to break down in tears.

When you live through something like that, and there is no where left to run and no where left to hide and you are wondering if you and your loved ones are going to survive it has a profound impact on the soul.

Miami was lucky in a lot of ways, one of the hardest hit areas during Andrew was Cutler Ridge in South Miami where Jeb Bush a real estate developer maintained his permenent residence and his Dad at the time just happened to be President of these United States.

The area got a lot of help, got it quickly, and it kept on coming for years.

Still ten years later parts of South Miami that had been abandoned still layed like an eyesore, and the debris from the storm was so overwhelming the city manager had to open up a whole new cell to dispose of it all.

The people of New Orleans were not so lucky as they have largely been forgotten and large portions of the city still languish under the horrible effects of the storm.

Unlike Andrew where the worst damage was done by winds clocked up to 190 miles an hour before the last of the equipment gave out at the destroyed National Hurricane Center, Katrinas major damage was caused by the failure of the levies and the resulting floods.

Do residents have a reason to be worried, concerned, interested and active in how the Core of Engineers is handling those levies today?

I sure would say so.

I gotta tell ya, I am not a fan of socks or puppets.

Lies, Lies, Poppycock, and Lies. Ouh ! Did you tell a fib ?

How would our high and mighty government even survive without lies? Good thing they have integrity. Something
needs to be done. Vote for Boonedock or don't vote at all. I think I could help him guide his campaign to where at the very least, we get ourselves martyred.



That's about the most we could hope for. I know we would capture a landslide percentage, just with the promise to peal back the roof on the military industrial complex. Start there with a well planned policy of expose and dismiss then follow up with charges. Keeping the military courts (tribunals) out of it. This government needs to be shredded. Not the economy. Tear it down and build a new.

Randyvious

Would I martyr myself if I thought it could even remotely make a difference to where my country is going ?

In a GD heartbeat.

First, thank you for this post: No I have not read the entire thread yet so I hope nobody yet has put out this theory:

(WHAT IF) There is a disgruntled Army Veteran or Group or anyone for that matter who wants to sock it to the Corp of Engineers.....AND they decide that they want this all to come back on the Corp. .What better way than to MAKE IT APPEAR as though IP addresses came from the Corp but it really wasn't them....It can be done.

What would be the motivation though?? If they write verbally aggressive posts it makes the Army look bad, it is still a 3rd or 4th party. Its almost like reverse psychology in a twisted way ........ I am a Veteran and used to work in Psychological Operations for the US Army so I know that these things are done....

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Is the US Government using the Internet to create the perception of false majorities to use peer pressure to undermine the very cornerstones of democracy?

Yes. And we see it on ATS every single day. I would point fingers, but that's against T's and C's, as well 'they' know. They are masters at riling and provoking, ridiculing and insulting. Yet they do it without ever crossing over that subtle line in the sand. Occasionally they will allow themselves the mirth of getting into an argument and trading a few insults. Wouldn't want to appear too robotic now would they?! And no, these are not actual robots, though of course Bots are an ever-present problem - similar BS peer pressure games are spurred on by their two-liners, but generally they lack significant character traits and are simply there to appear as though they are part of the misaffected Youtube generation who cant string more than a few sentences together.

One or two of the worst 'pseudoskeptical debunkers' may in fact be highly advanced bot-human syntheses, but that's an unprovable hypothesis, and I won't go into that in detail here and now.

I guess what I'm saying is - S & F once again Proto! As ever, a belting thread, look forward to some of the 'responses' in-thread. Will watch the video now.

reply to post by Starwise


Yeah I can understand not reading the thread, I think though not watching the video in the Opening Piece didn't really help you when forming a hypothetical question that you would have no need to ask if you had viewed the Opening Piece Video where it's already been determined that no, these are not veterans or ex-disgruntled members trying to make the Corps of Engineers look bad, but actively employed people, using their government computers right from their Corps Offices trying to make the corps look good, by attempting to make Americans asking questions look bad!

So how about we deal with what's really happened and has been discovered as fact instead of hypotheticals?

Thanks.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


I have to say it's rather amazing at times. A thread I have been involved in for a couple of weeks has been quite a heated discussion, so far leading to the banning of one member and the indirect banning of another member when he had the nerve to call a forum gang leader pretty much what he is.

So they targeted him on other threads.

Amazingly despite the fact that the moderators have issued several warnings and removed a number of off topic posts in what has basically been a personal attack thread from start to finish on a handful of posters actually trying to discuss the conspiracy angle.

The post that got the most stars was from a very off topic poster who comes into the thread and makes an entirely off topic post that basically just questioned the size of my sexual organ.

That comment recieved 18 stars in less than a few minutes on a thread that only a handful of people were following along with.

Amazingly the post wasn't removed even after reported.

Again yesterday same poster comes into the thread and simply makes another off topic post(s) about drinking and getting drunk. Even once reported in a thread getting all kinds of Moderator attention as being entirely off topic no staff action was taken.

The poster's entire posting history consists of those kind of comments and off topic posts.

The poster likely has the highest karma rating on the site (over a 100) meaning that his off topic posts and insults are widely starred.

Yet his posts are never removed, and while I view him as a joke and someone not worthy of ATS it appears that somewhere in the Heavens someone is looking out for him.

The internet certainly can be an interesting place, even here on ATS.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Amazingly the post wasn't removed even after reported

Link partner ?

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


It isn't just the militia type groups or the vigilante and whistle blowers that are getting infiltrated and harassed. We know the current feeling in Washington is that if you don't agree completely with the government you are a domestic terrorist. Here is some news from a blog about what is going on in Minnesota with peaceful anti war groups getting infiltrated by govt agents. blogs.citypages.com... I am not as familiar with that news but I can verify that the same thing happened to a group in Maryland a couple of years ago. I'm more familiar with some of those people having been in the same neighborhood as a couple of them and know they were as harmless as they come.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them start infiltrating gardening clubs to make sure soccer moms and dads are all using Monsanto seeds and not operating grow houses.

That doesn't mean your idea isn't a darned good one. It just means there isn't any means of opposition that will, well, go unopposed. If you are not in lockstep, you will be put under surveillance. Heck, if you are just going about your business, you will be watched. An ATS member has posted pics of a DHS helicopter buzzing her whale watch tour boat and taking pictures of the people on the boat. They were just on a tour! Espionage on our own people is one of the few growth industries we have left.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Amazingly the post wasn't removed even after reported

Link partner ?

edit on 23-4-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

I can't provide the link per decorum but a view at my recent posting history will show a thread I have been very active on recently regarding a school bus in Israel, start from the second from the last page and I think you will find a very interesting conversation.

Thanks.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I knew that. I mean I wish I would have thought about that. This is pathetic, covertly sneaking around ATS.
I understand your caution.

SnF

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I knew that. I mean I wish I would have thought about that. This is pathetic, covertly sneaking around ATS.

I understand your caution.

SnF

edit on 23-4-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

You pretty much have too, mention some parties around ATS and you can find yourself dealing with a whole host of off topic posters and a derailed thread pretty quick.

Dealing with the politics of ATS is sometimes as challenging as dealing with the politics of nations and parties and movements.

I have another "incident" to report as well.

I responded with several posts to a new thread topic started early this morning (4/23/2011).

I noticed the author / member had just joined ATS (4/23/2011).

another poster questioned how the new thread got started with the new member only having chalked up a couple of total posts.

I checked the new member's profile and saw a second new thread.

the profile contained no other credentials i.e. friends etc.

however, when looking at the new members link to "friend's posts" .... there was activity !

later this morning, I checked the one thread that I was interested in and low-and-behold .... it is now 404'd and no longer listed in the profile !!

the 2nd thread is still there (as of this minute at least) but with only one responder.

the surviving thread concerns air traffic controllers asleep at the switch.

the removed thread had to do with some U.S. Senators and Congresspeople going to china and focused on one Senator in particular.

very strange .. very strange.

I am wondering if this was some software program that somehow broke through the ice ??

perhaps however, ATS allows brand new members to author threads .. rule change maybe ??

don't know ??

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

If you think about your main topic, you (a complete stranger) are telling everyone that government sock puppets exist. Since I personally do not know or trust anyone online, why should I not consider you as just another sock puppet? We have a vast diversity of individuals who visit this site (many anti-American), and they come from every corner of the globe. Even though you are 'claiming' to be from the United States, we have no way of knowing if you are telling the truth. How hard is it for someone to go onto Bing.com, do some research about a region, and then pose as if they came from that place of origin?

BBC: Alaska cop found to be illegal immigrant: prosecutors

*shrugs*

What is to stop other country's citizens from posing as another country's citizen (online), and then turn around to plant fake news to cause descent in another country?

*shrugs*

From my personal perspective, you are a complete stranger (possible foreign sock puppet) posting anti-American news. Even though you may just be from the United States, who is to say you are not a criminal? Anarchist? Car thief? Who knows?

"Trust No One"

reply to post by xuenchen


p.s.

my posts on the deleted thread have disappeared as well ????

and to think, I had made some good points too !