Atheism starts with an illogical premise

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Again, Atheism is illogical.

How can you have a lack of belief in an entity that you say doesn't exist? The reason you don't say you have a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy or Santa is because you don't believe they exist and to have a lack of belief in a non existent entity would be illogical.

Would you prefer none belief?

You really aren't making any sense.

I'll make some then:

Aethism is a tool to stupidity.


If you believe in random matter, be it and begone.

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Again, Atheism is illogical.

How can you have a lack of belief in an entity that you say doesn't exist? The reason you don't say you have a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy or Santa is because you don't believe they exist and to have a lack of belief in a non existent entity would be illogical.

You can say you have a lack of belief in Christianity or Islam because you don't question the existence of the religions. In order for you to say you have a lack of belief in God, you would first have to acknowledge His Existence or you would be standing on illogical grounds.

The tooth fairy and santa don't exist stop using it as the foundation of your argument

Originally posted by ChristianMentat
I'll make some then:

Aethism is a tool to stupidity.


If you believe in random matter, be it and begone.

edit on 22-4-2011 by ChristianMentat because: (no reason given)

For some reason a lot of people think atheism has everything to do with cosmology and/or the Big Bang theory. However, there is no requirement that atheists accept the Big Bang theory.

Just so everyone knows, atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities.

Originally posted by TheRealTruth84
The tooth fairy and santa don't exist stop using it as the foundation of your argument

How do you know they don't exist?
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Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Atheism is truly illogical and doesn't make any sense. An Atheist will say they lack a belief in God or gods but this position doesn't make any sense.

You don't have a lack of belief in Santa Claus or a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy. Why do you need to have a lack of belief in an entity that you say doesn't exist? You don't see Toothfairiest who have a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy.

You can have a lack of belief in Islam or Christianity but not a lack of belief in God because there's no need to have a lack of belief in an entity you say doesn't exist.

In order for Atheist to say they have a lack of belief in God they implicitly acknowledge God's existence. Your lack of belief in God has to be predicated on his existence or it's just illogical.

Again, there's no need to have a lack of belief in Tinkerbell or The Wicked Witch of the West if you say they don't exist. So Atheism is built on an illogical premise.

It's like an insurance policy.

Just in case.

Originally posted by ChristianMentat
I'll make some then:

Aethism is a tool to stupidity.

If you believe in random matter, be it and begone.

You don't need to believe in an omnipotent guy-in-the-sky - - - to believe in organized matter either.

That doesn't mean it wasn't random in the beginning or at times now.

You have no argument.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Just so everyone knows, atheism is simply a lack of belief in deities.

Yes. So simple. No God.

It doesn't mean you don't have other theories.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by JAGx1981
You speak of big bang with such authority, regardless of what we think we know for SURE happened, it still is just a theory.

You are aware that a scientific theory is not the same thing as the common term for theory? A scientific theory is a collection of facts that provide explanations and allow for predictions. To claim that a scientific theory "is just a theory", as in simply a clever idea, is not accurate. The Big Bang did happen. At this point we don't know all there is to know about it (same with the theory of gravity), but we know enough about it to make true, factual comments.

Actually your the one trying to be clever with words long drawn out sentences that you believe are true because they sound more logical to you and others from what you have learned.

It cannot fully be explained, it doesn't matter what you reply back with or how textbook you make it sound, there are still too many questions than answers. However if you spend enough time on here you see all these debates going back and forth.

You just want to be right, instead of keeping your mind open, it's common and it's why they debate rages on, maybe not in your world, but in reality it is.

Difference between me and you is you want to be right, but I have already made up my mind and I'm able to live with either answer and don't care if im wrong or right.

Originally posted by JAGx1981
It cannot fully be explained, it doesn't matter what you reply back with or how textbook you make it sound, there are still too many questions than answers. However if you spend enough time on here you see all these debates going back and forth.

I stated above that it cannot fully be explained, just like the theory of gravity is not fully explained. My original point was that "just a theory" doesn't apply to scientific theories. You seem to have glossed over this.

You just want to be right, instead of keeping your mind open

My mind is open, however, not so open that Invisible Magic Man becomes an acceptable answer to life's mysteries. Though if we find an Invisible Magic Man my opinion could change.

Difference between me and you is you want to be right, but I have already made up my mind and I'm able to live with either answer and don't care if im wrong or right.

I simply like to be a certain as I can be about reality. If you're willing to accept wrong answers that's your prerogative. Also, if you already have your mind made up perhaps you're the one whose mind is not open.

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Atheism is based on a ridiculous notion that "Something" can be created by "Nothing". Of course I have played with the idea of Gods existence......I think its normal and we all should question why we believe what we believe, but we are very inetelligent life forms and we can't even recreate the Pyramids. I do not believe we evolved from apes. I do however believe we did evolve the nature of our brains and not necessarily for the better in many ways. Of course we have changed and continue to change so in that way we evolved. However I feel there is a lot in our human history that we have left behind such as the important presence of Spirituality being almost completly wiped from our memory completly. Humans have achieved many great accomplishments and one of those being the Pyramids. Could slaves have built that without having some kind of invested interest in it? They did not have the equipment we have today so it was more then backbreaking work it was life and death on a daily basis yet they still achieved it. That's just one example. I definetly think there is a lot more to our story then we "Think" we know..........but yeah I am definetly a believer in The Creator.

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Haha thats a good arguement. I wish I knew this a long time ago with my debates with athiests.

Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS
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Atheism is based on a ridiculous notion that "Something" can be created by "Nothing".

No, it isn't.

It's based on the non-acceptance of the claim of others that god(s) exist.

A question to the op.

Would you still believe in your god if you were never introduced to the ideology from a young age. By this I mean, you were taught by someone to think there is a god. What if this someone was never introduced to you?

What makes you think you are right in a logical sense? Because all of your friends and your pastor said so. If everyone around you believes, chances are you will believe too. It all starts at a young age. To the folks that found "Jesus" later in life. You were still aware of this name and religion from exposure to the religous elements in society.

Religoin is Illogical.

Circular semantics reign...

I believe I'll have another beer.

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Just because an atheist doesn't "believe" in God doesn't mean he acknowledges his existence. Words and thoughts can convey meaning about things which are beyond comprehension or without acknowledged understanding. Words in particular can be used to describe somthing youve never seen or simply discuss a topic of which you have no knowledge. In either case, the atheist saying he has no belief in God is using terms for the benefit of the person he is explaining his belief too. It doesn't inherently signify acceptance or admittance of a belief or existance of God. Therefore I assert that your post is illogical!

Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Atheism is truly illogical and doesn't make any sense. An Atheist will say they lack a belief in God or gods but this position doesn't make any sense.

You don't have a lack of belief in Santa Claus or a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy. Why do you need to have a lack of belief in an entity that you say doesn't exist? You don't see Toothfairiest who have a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy.

You can have a lack of belief in Islam or Christianity but not a lack of belief in God because there's no need to have a lack of belief in an entity you say doesn't exist.

In order for Atheist to say they have a lack of belief in God they implicitly acknowledge God's existence. Your lack of belief in God has to be predicated on his existence or it's just illogical.

Again, there's no need to have a lack of belief in Tinkerbell or The Wicked Witch of the West if you say they don't exist. So Atheism is built on an illogical premise.

Wrong. What doesn't make sense to you, make's sense to others. Your theory depends on the fact that god created us, which Athiests don't believe in the first place. So ... you're wrong.

In order for Atheist to say they have a lack of belief in God they implicitly acknowledge God's existence. Your lack of belief in God has to be predicated on his existence or it's just illogical.

This is the most convoluted, hypocritical sentence I've ever seen. ATHIESTS DONT BELIEVE IN GOD - THEREFOR THEY DONT ACKNOLWEDGE HIS EXISTANCE. Durp? They deny the IDEA of a god. You seem confused, my friend.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


belief in god is logical. u can come to a logical conclusion that god exists through questioning and reasoning. you can only deny God for so long but the truth eventually reveals itself. once u see him there is no more running. just acceptance. it is what it is.

science and religion are the same. they are both made up of asking questions about the unknown to find answers.
only the most intelligent man will ask questions about his existence and his purpose in life and the best way to find an answer to your question is to go directly to the source. God

truth is beautiful by nature and we naturally seek the truth. the truth will set u free.

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Ok I actually understand what you are trying to convey here, I understood the concept when I read the title on the new topics page.

However the argument is flawed, The reason an atheist states they do not believe in god, is because of those who do.

Think about it, even if I were to say I do not believe in anything other than people, is the same as saying I don't believe in God, or is it ? Because actually all you are doing is ommiting to answer the question "Do you believe in God?" Therefore you could argue that by saying I believe in people, still leaves the door wide open to whether or not you believe in God.

Soooo, when people say "I don't believe in God" what they are actually doing is making it very clear to whoever they are making this declaration to that they do no believe in God, whether the person they are making the statement to or not believes in God themselves.

Basically when an atheist states "I don't beleive in God, Buddha, man in the moon," what they are actually doing is playing to other peoples sensitivities, because there are those who do believe in God, and its the only way you can put your standpoint across so as to be clear to who you are making the point to.

Hope this makes sense, it did in my head when I wrote it

Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS
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Atheism is based on a ridiculous notion that "Something" can be created by "Nothing".

No it isn't.

It simply means none belief in a Deity.