*2PAC*,Killed to Silence his Voice???..Was planning to speak out against Illuminati?

Originally posted by gdaub23
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

the "thug image was only something that he used to gain popularity...he really wasnt that way at all...he used to reach out to the real thugs to try and send them messages that otherwise they wouldnt have listened to

Look at this thug!





He even admitted numerous times the thug image wasn't really who he was it was more a character he played based on what he saw growing up.

for those that done think tupac knew i think he did...

'Some say they expect Illuminati take my body to sleep
N***** at the party with they shotties
Just as rowdy as me
Before I flee computer chips
I gotta deal wit brothas flippin
I don't see no devils bleedin'
Only black blood drippin'

And also Tupacs mother Afeni Shakur and his step father Mutulu shakur where Black panthers who no doubt where seen as a threat to the US government. Mutulu Shakur is now locked up for murder which took place in robbery of which his accomplice was a member of the 'weather underground' Their goal was to create a clandestine revolutionary party for the violent overthrow of the US government, the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, including aiding the jailbreak and escape of Timothy Leary.

COINTELPRO
an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic political organizations.
COINTELPRO tactics included discrediting targets through psychological warfare, planting false reports in the media, smearing through forged letters, harassment, wrongful imprisonment, extralegal violence and assassination. Covert operations under COINTELPRO took place between 1956 and 1971, however the FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception. The FBI's stated motivation at the time was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order.
FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive, including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the civil rights movement, including Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover issued directives governing COINTELPRO, ordering FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders.

MUTULU SHAKUR INTERVIEW by AllHipHop.com (2003)

"AllHipHop: Can you tell us how it affected both Pac and yourself when your family was on the run from the F.B.I.?

Mutulu Shakur: From the very beginning of Tupac's life, our family has been a target of the Cointelpro. Members of our family were hunted, prosecuted, and murdered just because we struggled for our peoples� human rights. It's something he had to adjust to.

AllHipHop: On your website (www.daretostruggle.org) you posted that you hold the Cointelpro responsible for Pac's death. Can you break down who the Cointelpro is & their motives for possibly harming Pac?

Mutulu Shakur: On our Dare To Struggle CD we break down the Cointelpro and it's relationship to Hip-Hop culture. Your readers should get the C.D. The Cointelpro is low intensity warfare headed by a division of the FBI waged against Political objectors. It's intended goal was and is to prevent the rise of a Black Messiah.

AllHipHop: I guess that could definitely be a possible motive because Pac really had a gift of touching the masses, he was kind of hip-hop's messiah.

Mutulu Shakur: That's why our people, especially young Black people believe in the spirit of Tupac. The Counterplot's intent was and still is to keep Tupac's message disrupted."

Anyway hope u get what im trying to say.

ANd just to point out tupac was much more than a rapper take the lyrics from this song about the united states.


Killing us one by one
In one way or another
American will find a way to eliminate the problem
One by one
The problem is
the troubles in the black youth of the ghettos
And one by one
we are being wiped off the face of this earth
At an extremly alarming rate
And even more alarming is the fact
that we are not fighting back
Brothers, sistas, niggas
When I say niggas it is not the nigga we are grown to fear
It is not the nigga we say as if it has no meaning
But to me
It means Never Ignorant Getting Goals Acomplished, nigga
Niggas what are we going to do
Walk blind into a line or fight
Fight and die if we must like niggas

This is for the masses the lower classes
The ones you left out, jobs were givin', better livin'
But we were kept out
Made to feel inferior, but we're the superior
Break the chains in out brains that made us fear yah
Pledge a legiance to a flag that neglects us
Honour a man that who refuses to respect us
Emmancipation, proclamation, Please!
Nigga just said that to save the nation
These are lies that we all accepted
Say no to drugs but the governments' keep it
Running through our community, killing the unity
The war on drugs is a war on you and me
And yet they say this is the Home of The Free
But if you ask me its all about hyprocracy
The constitution, Yo, it don't apply to me
Lady Liberty still the bitch lied to me
Steady strong nobody's gonna like what I pumpin'
But its wrong to keeping someone from learning something
So get up, its time to start nation building
I'm fed up, we gotta start teaching childern
That they can be all that they wanna to be
There's much more to life than just poverty

This is defaintly ahhh words of wisdom
AMERIKA, AMERIKA, AMERIKKKA
I charge you with the crime of rape, murder, and assault
For suppressing and punishing my people
I charge you with robery for robbing me of my history
I charge you with false imprisonment for keeping me
Trapped in the projects
And the jury finds you guilty on all accounts
And you are to serve the consequences of your evil schemes
Prosecutor do you have any more evidience

Words of Wisdom
They shine upon the strength of an nation
Conquer the enemy on with education
Protect thy self, reach with what you wanna do
Know thy self, teach what we been through
On with the knowledge of the place, then
No one will ever oppress this race again
No Malcolm X in my history text
Why is that?
Cause he tried to educate and liberate all blacks
Why is Martin Luther King in my book each week?
He told blacks, if they get smacked, turn the other cheek
I don't get it, so many questions went through my mind
I get sweated, They act as if asking questions is a crime
But forget it, one day I'm gonna prove them wrong
Now every brother had to smother on the welfare line
The american dream, though it seems it attainable
They're pulling your sleave, don't believe
Cause it will strangle yah
Pulling the life of your brain, I can't explain
Beg as you can obtain from which you came
Swear that your mother is living in equality
Forgeting your brother that's living her apology
Thought they had us beat when they took our kids
But the battle ain't over till the black man sings
Words of Wisdom
But the battle ain't over till the black man sings
Words of Wisdom

NIGHTMARE thats what I am
America's nightmare
I am what you made me
The hate and evil that you gave me
I shine of a reminder of what you have done to my people
for Four hundred plus years
You should be scared
You should be running
You should be trying to silence me
ha ha
But you can not escape fate
Well it is my turn to come
Just as you rose you shall fall
By my hands
Amerika, You reap what you sow
2pacalypse America's Nightmare
Ice Cube and Da Lench Mob America's Nightmare
Above the Law America's Nightmare
Paris America's Nightmare
Public Enemy America's Nightmare
Krs-One America's Nightmare
Mutulu Shakur America's Nightmare
Geronimo Pratt America's Nightmare
Assada Shakur America's Nightmare

I don't mean to step on any toes, but I remember when 2Pac was around and his stuff was pretty good.. better than most rappers at that time and better than all hip hop these days. But he really had no message... he was a street thug and thrived on violence and racism. It wasnt until he died that people started treating him like a Bob Dylan or John Lennon type character, which he wasn't in the least. His talents werent anywhere near the caliber of that. It was Mtv that really pushed this "Tupac was Jesus" thing. His killing was gang related plain and simple. It was where he was from and all he knew.. and apparently it was a long time coming to him from all the smack he talked over the years. If he had lived maybe Biggie wouldnt have died and Puff Daddy never wouldve gotten famous and ruined music with his watered down, blinged-out overproduced bs. In a perfect world.

I was always iffy about who killed Tupac but after reading this thread and doing a bit more research it's obvious it wasn't just "some gangster" who did it.

He read books such as George Orwell's 1984 and one called "The Meaning of Masonry".

www.thuglifearmy.com...

Originally posted by ericsnow
but after reading this thread and doing a bit more research it's obvious it wasn't just "some gangster" who did it.

It's OBVIOUS?

I would like you to point out where it's OBVIOUS, that it wasn't just some gangster... questionable is ok, but nothing presented so far, obviates some illicit secret organization, so I would like to see it.

All I have to say is this. Why has every major African American figure who has a large following of people, stood up and told what they believe to be the truth about American society end up being killed?

Originally posted by ItCameFromOuterSpace
I don't mean to step on any toes, but I remember when 2Pac was around and his stuff was pretty good.. better than most rappers at that time and better than all hip hop these days. But he really had no message... he was a street thug and thrived on violence and racism. It wasnt until he died that people started treating him like a Bob Dylan or John Lennon type character, which he wasn't in the least. His talents werent anywhere near the caliber of that. It was Mtv that really pushed this "Tupac was Jesus" thing. His killing was gang related plain and simple. It was where he was from and all he knew.. and apparently it was a long time coming to him from all the smack he talked over the years. If he had lived maybe Biggie wouldnt have died and Puff Daddy never wouldve gotten famous and ruined music with his watered down, blinged-out overproduced bs. In a perfect world.

2Pac had no message? What about T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. or The Hate U Give Little Infants F**** Everybody? Look like a message to me, an important one to him anyway, since he had it tattooed across his stomach. He was not a street thug, he was mugged and shot 5 times and survived in 94', I wonder if your personality would change at all if you got just 5 times. People didn't talk about him until he died? What rock have you been hiding under? 2pac was a poet, actor, musician, activist, he reached millions of people and was shot dead at 25. Have you accomplished half of what he did in such a short period of time? His killing was/is an unsolved mystery. Notorious B.I.G. was killed 6 months later because of 2pac, Diddy was present in the shooting in 94' when 2pac was first shot and he was sitting in the backseat with Notorious B.I.G when he was shot. Before you pop off at the mouth on something you seem to know nothing about maybe you should know the whole story first.

How many more damn 2pac illuminati threads do we need?
Why would anyone care what a rap artist has to say about a group he only knew of because he like the rest of you read about them, Why would he be any more credible to anybody but his fans about a mysterious underground shadow elite.
He was a gangster rapper, just fled a scene of an assault with a man by his side who didn't want his greatest asset to go it alone and coincidentally was shot to death bringing his career to an end.
It is called GANGSTER rap for a reason, its run by gangsters and promotes a gangster lifestyle.
Live by the gun, die by the gun.
Tupac had plenty of opportunity to rip on a group that still to this day remains out of public interest.
Let the guy rest in peace, there are more conspiracy theories that are credible to his death, notably Suge Knight arranged it.
I guess Biggie was shot by McDonalds because he was threatening to go on a diet.

Originally posted by Shamall
All I have to say is this. Why has every major African American figure who has a large following of people, stood up and told what they believe to be the truth about American society end up being killed?

But MLK, MalcX they posed some SERIOUS threats to the establishment (at least in the establishments eyes, not ours), but pac?? He posed no such threat, he was simply in it to make the money and he said that time and TIME again..... if he were alive he would tell you... the green and the girls...

Sincerely he posed no real threat, and if anyone was truly going to make an argument for the threat he posed, it be most likely that someone would be too afraid that kids would want to be more like him....

I dunno, I still say it starts and ends with the cash.

Tupac.. the savior for the 20th centruy..

"my epitaph will read, was the last to G, kick the $h|t that made the white man bleed"

even though I am white, that one of my favorite lines.

btw.. why do we always talk about tupac and how brave he was.. but we dont walk the walk? we need to be more proactive against the enslavement of humanity.. we need a voice.. a leader.. we need to stand up.. this is bogus we have this turmoil around the world yet everyone wants the same thing...

reply to post by CanadianDream420


Alex jones is a short, annoying white man. His message is the truth, but he never stood a chance in the public eye, he's basically the embodiment of a false stereotype, that being the "crazy wingnut conspiracist"

Tupac however, was G. He was F**king PAC, he was the man, people listened to him not only because of what he saw wrong with the world, but also because of how well he got his message across.

People who are attractive to the public and have the right message have no place in a globalist-dominated society..

Originally posted by TheDeadFlagBlues


Tupac however, was G. He was F**king PAC, he was the man,

Yea, and he's also F**king dead.....

Maybe he saw what was wrong with the world, but I will argue that he knew how to get the message across....if he did, and didn't have his ego, he would still be alive....

reply to post by Gerizo


Just to elaborate a bit on your post, Tupac did make some music that was more hiphop, some that was more 'gangsta' and later on, he made music that was more insightful. For those unfamiliar with those more obscure bits of his music (i.e. the stuff they didnt put on the radio because it wasn't, uhm, radio friendly?), check out "The Rose that grew from the concrete" and "R U Still down".

By the way, in Tupac's younger years, he attended the 127th Street Repertory Ensemble, which is a Harlem-based theatre group in which he played a main role in their performance of "A Raisin in the Sun". He has always been an entertainer, and capable of more than mainstream rap and gangster music. Even if you look at his so-called gangster music, there is always the theme of his frustration with society in its stereotypes and views.

Tupac is the epitomy of a man suffering from being "put in a box", or as some actors are referred to as being "typecast". He has always been portrayed in news as a 'thug'. Even if he has done things that help solidify that term, the facts remain that he was SO much more than that, and he should be justly acknowledged as such. It behooves any reader who cares to read or comment on this subject to, atleast, show some respect to the deceased and give his total work the due diligence of a full review and reflection on his work.

reply to post by alphabetaone


I agree that he was not a threat at the time but I feel that an older Tupac would have been a serious threat. He had a skill that is extremely dangerous. The ability to make people not only listen to what he is saying but think for themselves. The same skill that MLK and Malcolm had. I'm not saying this based on his music but more so on his interviews. Look at his interviews over the years and the things he said about society and how screwed up America is. Look at how articulate he was at only 17. If all that was an act for $$$ then he wasn't one of the greatest rappers but one of the greatest actors.

reply to post by gdaub23


He was just a rapper, and not a very good one either.

He got shot because when your music is about how much of a thug you are and how bad you can be, eventually you might just have to prove it.

reply to post by gdaub23


tbh i dont think 2pac was killed by higher ups...the people associated with him and rap music back then just meant he had a lot of enemies and one of them got him.

but this thread brings forward the idea that music and famous artists can pass knowledge onto millions.

there are plenty of artists doing it.

take Muse for example...their entire elbum "resistance" is based on corrupt leaders and rebellious people.

they have songs called "uprising", "resistance", "MK ultra" (mk ultra was the name of an old CIA project involving mind control).



then theres dizzee rascal...his last album "tongue n cheek" has a song named "cant take no more"

basically about the huge problems with society today and how its about time things changed.



and thats just to name 2 artists....listen carefully to the lyrics in those vids...music is a great way to get a point across

edited just to post the dizze lyrics from the last verse...speaks volumes imo

So much war in the world today,
too many women and kids get blown away,
I say "what's the cause of it?", money as usual,
poor and the innocent suffer as usual,
none of it's useful,
just brutal,
can't understand why they can't be truthful,
the government make it necessary
to cause a countries obituary,
coz war pays the bills,
dosn't matter how many innocent people killed,
just as long as pockets are properly filled,
and a profit is made and they can chill,
just keepin' it real, don't wanna blow it outta proportion
but it looks like straight up extortion,
so this is a caution,
don't just stand there, do somin 'bout it, this is important,

reply to post by Shamall


Absolutely Shamall!

And think about it, he WAS a great actor! You're right, he probably would have been more "dangerous" to the establishment as years went by, but no doubt about it, he was a fantastic actor.... even HE didn't believe all the BS he rapped about.

Utter BS. Tupac had so much unreleased stuff when he died so where in all that (most of it not so good) does he "expose" the Illuminati. Listen to All Eyez On Me, then go listen to some old Public Enemy and tell me who was more of a threat to the establishment.

And to say hip hop wasn't as big in 1996 as it is now is also just BS. I was 21 in '96 and hip hop had been THE only music most white people around here had been listening to since about 1989.

And as for Tupac for President? He was ineligible and he couldn't even vote. Or do people forget that he was a convicted rapist?

Get off Pac's nuts and let him R.I.P.. And for gods sake, if you are under 30, please get some hip hop heroes of your own.

In the spirit of ATS, I encourage my fellow members to "deny ignorance" in regards to Tupac.

You may not love hip hop. You may dislike rap music.

And that's okay.

But, I suggest you go on youtube and just explore a few different videos, both official and amateur, regarding Tupac.

There are already a few documentaries out there about him. Lots to read about.

I believe that Tupac didn't start out knowing about the NWO.

He discovered them while he was actually playing the game.

He believed his music was what could be called a "force multiplier".

You can chronologically chart his understand of the NWO through listening to his recordings and interviews.

Extrapolate on where he would have continued if allowed to?

Tupac has the cadence of MLK.

Watch a great documentary about hip hop styles called, "The Art of the 16 Bars", they go into great detail regarding Tupacs MLK Jr, style flow. Easy to see. He was very "evangelical" on the mic.

There are still those out there who are trapped in the "genre" mindbox. They think there are still sections at the record store keeping us apart.

Music is Music. It is SUBJECTIVE.

End of story. Some people don't like him, fine. Some don't like hip hop, fine.

But don't let your dislike of hip hop cloud the fact that an inspiring artist was killed and hip hop's political voice was quieted.

I suggest those who do not like rap music to listen to a few tracks by Tupac. His work stands true today.

reply to post by Immortalgemini527




The truth is that they was all assanitated or bought down


NO GEMINI >

JOHN F KENNEDY (May 29, 1917

NO GEMINI >

Marilyn Monroe's Born: 1 June 1926

BIG L Lamont Coleman (May 30, 1974 - February 15, 1999), also known by his stage name Big L,

Tupac Amaru Shakur (June 16, 1971

The Notorious B.I.G. was born Christopher Wallace on May 21, 1972

Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes was one of three members Born: 27 May 1971

NELSON MANDELA Born: 18 July 1918

GEORGE BUSH Born: 12 June 1924

KANYE WEST Born: 8 June 1977 MOTHER The mother of Grammy-Nominated hip-hop star Kanye West died of complications related to a cosmetic surgical procedure on Saturday, November 10th at the age of 58

Gabrielle Dee "Gabby" Giffords (born June 8, 1970)