*2PAC*,Killed to Silence his Voice???..Was planning to speak out against Illuminati?

reply to post by Kingbreaker


I've followed Tupacs music since the inception of it all and there was a definite change in his outlook on life and rap. He went from caring about literally no one including himself to trying to wake people up, he was definitely exposed to something that changed his entire demeanor

reply to post by Game_Over


You know what Game Over,

To really understand the value of tupac, you have to be able to see beyond any of his lyrics or beyond even the music and try to wrap your mind around the intent of his lyrics and music.

It's not an easy thing to do, and it exponentially more difficult for a typical affluent bred sheltered lifestyle to wrap their minds around.

That is in NO WAY denigrating, it's simply true... at some levels you need to have been able to live the lowest parts of life (your life, not ghetto life) to understand his intentions. It's a spiritual thing, not something that can easily be explained in words or seen on youtube, or in lyrics... you just need to feel it.

Tupac died because he got drunk, shot his mouth off, and acted a fool instead of walking away the better man. He stomped on a gang members head on said gang members territory????? no conspiracy here and it is known fact that rap music makes people stupid not smart so he was no threat at all. In fact it was probably a pain in TPTB butts because now they have to recreate an image to destroy todays youth and it took a couple of years to prop the new "leader for the losers" up. what was his name again?.... oh ya Eminem. now everything is fine again and nobody better touch him.

reply to post by tom goose


Exactly. You never liked Hip Hop. Just say it. You never looked deeper than the official story (gee, wonder where I heard that before).

I'm not sure if this is a:

A) Defend the fact that rap IS Music thread.

or a

B) Tupac was just a thug and not intellectual

thread. I mean, hip hop IS music. Hate to break it to you holdouts, but you lost. Accept it.

Tupac was not just a thug. That was a part of his persona.

Remember when white people were scared of hip hop?

PS - that is a serious question.

Tupac did not believe in the illuminati. Sorry, but he said it in some of his final interviews.



Tupac even admitted in one of his final interviews that everything he did was plotted and that his image was a fascade. He claimed that he was just a poet and artist. He didn't believe in the things that he said. He was writing fiction. He was no different than Stephen King. People latched on to him because he was charismatic and he appeared at just the right time.

Unfortunately he was a man with too much ego and it ended up costing him his life. It almost cost him his life in NY when he crossed Haitian Jack. He ran to Death Row because he thought that Suge Knight could protect him. Then when he got back his feeling of invincibility he tried to stomp out a gang rival in a casino. Unfortunately he learned the hard way that he was not invincible.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Tupac dies but Alex Jones lives on?...

/thread

Too many people will go to back for Jones. Tupac was silenced because he was in the process of enlightening the youth. Jones' target audience is the over 18 crowd. Tupac encouraged young urban men standing up on their own two feet and taking responsibility to be a better person by keeping true to their families, if they had a kid to become a better and more respectable father.

This is why he was killed.

I was watching something on Sundance or something about The Notorious B.I.G. and they were talking about the time Tupac was shot in the same building that BIG and Jay-Z were recording a song at and how BIG and Jay Z went downstairs and within seconds Tupac was shot. The theory I have is that Jay Z was told to make sure it was carried out in order to rise to where he became because without both BIG and Tupac it left a void for someone to take over and since Nas wasn't playing along TPTB choose Jay Z instead.

reply to post by jahrevolution

'Some say they expect Illuminati take my body to sleep
N***** at the party with they shotties
Just as rowdy as me
Before I flee computer chips
I gotta deal wit brothas flippin
I don't see no devils bleedin'
Only black blood drippin'

If you take this in context with the interview I posted it makes more sense. He was saying that he did not worry about the illuminati or conspiracy theories. He was worried about another black man killing him not the unseen "they." He was mad that blacks and minorities were busy killing each other instead of trying to fight to advance their position in the world.

You can only learn so much from reading the words of fiction a poet produces. To learn the whole story you have to listen to their own words. You have to listen to them out of character. Pac was talking about a move in to politics and he also said that he had "cured" himself of the racism and rage that led to his early run ins with the cops and time in jail.

However, at the same time he said everything he did was planned and was an act. So, it is hard to tell where he really stood. However, I take him at his word that he did not believe in the illuminati. I also believe that he was interested in advancing a political agenda that would be very similar to the original Black Panthers. I do not believe this was his undoing though. I believe his sense of invincibility got him killed. He believed his own hype and forgot the lessons of his past.

Originally posted by Game_Over
reply to post by tom goose

 

Exactly. You never liked Hip Hop. Just say it. You never looked deeper than the official story (gee, wonder where I heard that before).

I'm not sure if this is a:

A) Defend the fact that rap IS Music thread.

or a

B) Tupac was just a thug and not intellectual

thread. I mean, hip hop IS music. Hate to break it to you holdouts, but you lost. Accept it.

Tupac was not just a thug. That was a part of his persona.

Remember when white people were scared of hip hop?

PS - that is a serious question.

No man I was very into Tupac back then, i was 16 when he died and ripped apart every song of his looking for reasons why he is still alive. I was really into rap back then, lined up around the block when 'Doggystye' was released, and basically did what every other kid was doing, talking like them, acting like them, dressing like them. Overnight we were all admiring a life of crime and heart ache and we were all easy to identify. Look at it from a Police point of view:

they will never be out of work, tupac and his genre were constantly pouring fuel on the fire, all of the perpetrators are easy to identify and usually not really that bad ass since the influence comes from music and fantasy rather than actual violent environments. Not to mention rapper fans are usually easy to prosecute in front of a jury because they dress so foolish. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

www.venturearticles.com...

Tupac did not believe in the illuminati . He made this very clear numerous times in interviews and songs. But you know how people can be when it comes to some things. They have an interest in the Illuminati, so they hear him say that word and automatically assume he's "exposing them". They fail to see the forest through the trees, they miss out on the big picture and then convince others that he was some kind of warrior, fighting against this secret organization. He originally heard about the Illuminati while in prison. Members of the Nation of Islam tried to tell Pac that the Illuminati was behind his 1994 shooting. He didn't believe that, he believed that associates of Bad Boy Records were behind his shooting (and had evidence that may suggest this theory was true). So he then did an interview once he was released from prison, in which he mocked those who tried to convince him it was the Illuminati. He made fun of Louis Farrakhan, who is a top representative for the Nation of Islam. In layman's terms, he basically said something to the effect of "How does the Nation of Islam know about the plans of the Illuminati, who told them? If they wanted to kill me, why would they tell Farrakhan? Who told him? The Pope?, how does this guy in jail now about the secret plan?" 2pac was clearly making fun of people who believe in the illuminati. He then stated "That's why I'm putting the K to it, because I'm killing that illuminati #, that's just another way to keep us down. They are always talking about the eyes and a face on the dollar bill. I don't care who's eyes are on the money, as long as people accept that money when I try to buy something.". He went on to say "You're so concerned with what's ON the money and thinking about that, that you're not GETTIN' the money".

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reply to post by MikeNice81


of course he believed in the illuminati just because he states he was more worried about his black brothers and sisters doesnt suggest he new nothing about it he says that he does but like u say there is more important things to worry about. People on here are half asleep nowadays they dont seem to have any idea the film music industry about artists selling soul, even the people that do believe in this whole conspiracy have no idea about or the symbols and thigs in videos and sumbliminal messages. i mean even wiz khalifas black and yellow has got satanic images in it. come on wake up people Killimunati what do u think that was about??? yeah he says in videos himself that it was to put an end to the whole illuminati thing so people would stop seeing it as a issue and concentrate on more important things, but back then the illuminati wasnt as well known as it is now so why would he even bother adressing it unless his intention was to bring attention to it??

reply to post by tom goose

...it is known fact that rap music makes people stupid not smart so he was no threat at all...

?????



well dont insult our intelligence if you lack of it, plus u said that u listened to rap and dress and talked like them, but i guess you didnt really listened to it... or you were just hearing garbage, sorry...

Originally posted by baraka
reply to post by tom goose

 

...it is known fact that rap music makes people stupid not smart so he was no threat at all...

?????

well dont insult our intelligence if you lack of it, plus u said that u listened to rap and dress and talked like them, but i guess you didnt really listened to it... or you were just hearing garbage, sorry...

I did really listen to it, like i said earlier i picked it apart looking for meaning. Then around 2000 i was 20 and found classic rock. There i found people that were really thinking, they were not departmentalized away from the rest of the population, they were the population. Now days, you have the remnants of what used to be rock and roll, pop music, and rap music, then trance, drum and bass, u name it. During the classic rock period everyone was united regardless of background or personal tastes in everything else. THEY were a threat and 2pac as well as every successful musician since the 70's has been a tool to make sure what happened back then will never happen again.

I'm sorry, you will wake up one day then you will look back at all the things you tried to find importance in and realize that it was just a delusional fantasy. I can think outside the box in a way that i never knew before i left rap and started listening to what to rock, and you add in the fact that a successful rock band takes the cooperation and connection with all other band mates. Rap is a solo game, you can make a full rap song right in your own bedroom, and nobody else has to be involved. Rock is for the people to unite, rap is for the people to regress.

Rock/Rap.... now that is a powerful mix. Rage against the Machine will always get my attention, but not just because of the rap, but also because the guitar is amazing, the drums never let you down and the bass is right where it needs to be... teamwork.

But im not a hatter, im just a bettered man so i will throw in a rap contribution

Originally posted by tom goose


There i found people that were really thinking, they were not departmentalized away from the rest of the population, they were the population.

A perfect example of this is in the messages that QueensRyche was trying to get out....some of their mainstream stuff was, well, just that...mainstream and a cash cow. But some of their older works (Warning, Rage for Order) actually had some serious implications that people should have listened to. Far ahead of their time and some serious thinkers.

sure you can make a rap song in your own bedroom, but i know a lot of people that make rock songs in their bedroom, the only thing they need is a recording software,mixer, and a drum machine like battery or other top notch plugin...so whats the point..?

are you saying that rock is better because you work as a team?

well what about colaborations with mcs across the world? i understand that you like rock music, but you cant ditch rap music because you dont like it...or because it doesnt have a guitar... that is... i dont even know what to call that seriously.

you have great rock artists and you have great rap artists and thats it, they both share the messages they want political,sexual or just for fun...

personaly i dont like rock music mostly guitar solos...but i must confess that are artists that makes me think twice on that...but i will never say that the music is garbage because it doesnt have a dj scratching...

Originally posted by baraka
sure you can make a rap song in your own bedroom, but i know a lot of people that make rock songs in their bedroom, the only thing they need is a recording software,mixer, and a drum machine like battery or other top notch plugin...so whats the point..?

are you saying that rock is better because you work as a team?

well what about colaborations with mcs across the world? i understand that you like rock music, but you cant ditch rap music because you dont like it...or because it doesnt have a guitar... that is... i dont even know what to call that seriously.

you have great rock artists and you have great rap artists and thats it, they both share the messages they want political,sexual or just for fun...

personaly i dont like rock music mostly guitar solos...but i must confess that are artists that makes me think twice on that...but i will never say that the music is garbage because it doesnt have a dj scratching...

mc collaborations are done using Fed Ex don't kid yourself. one guy makes the beat, mails that off to one of the rappers with his lyrics and instructions, then mailed off to the other guy to add his "collaboration." Most collaborators do not even meet each other unless they go on stage. Vancouver does not have the best local rap scene im sure but from what i have seen it is nothing but a bunch of lazy pot heads that couldn't keep their fingers moving long enough to complete a guitar solo without running out of breath. I have never heard of a Rock album, with the exception of nine inch nails who is not classified as rock, use a drum machine instead of playing the real drums. Besides even Trent Reznor brings a band on tour to play his songs.

Yes playing as team means Rock is better than Rap. The ability to SING instead of talk makes rock better than rap. These are not opinions this is me listing traits of one against the other. Rock can change the world, rap will keep everyone complacent and keep the world where it is without any rocking the boat.

Back to the topic at hand. Tupac dieing was not part of the any power elites plan. He was a pawn to make money off of and direct influence on the youth.

Everyone saw the video of Tupac, Suge and the rest of the crew boot stomping that crip in the hotel lobby. What do you thinks was going to happen next? You think he was going to run home and show his mom where Tupacs foot touched his face? then go put the dirt that came off Tupacs shoe into a jar? Seriously what do you think was going to happen after that??? I doubt they would shoot Suge, he was still good for a record deal once Tupac was gone.

Tupac spoke out about the illuminati and I think he faked his death to hide from them!That's why he made albums after his death telling you he faked his death..only not in those words!If you know anything about the 7 day theory you'll know!

Tupac knew the Illuminati were trying to get him because of the fake war created by the "trusty" media.And we all know who controls the media!!

Tupac wasn't silent after his death!He made six more albums.There is NO WAY Tupac would have been able to make that many songs while he was alive with his busy schedule.Between going to photo shoots,videos,interviews,concerts,movies,court,And I'm sure he had to travel,eat and sleep somewhere in there.So there's no way he could have had the time to make all these albums while he was alive!

Tupac tells you in his music that he faked his death to escape the illuminati.It's just the message is spread out over his music.

Here's just 1 little bit of proof that he faked his death.."I heard rumor I died, murdered in cold blood dramatized(o put into a form suitable for acting on a stage)Pictures of me in my final stage you know Mama cried..But that was fiction(fake), some coward got the story twisted..Like I no longer exist, mysteriously missin(he "died" mysteriously)..Although I'm worldwide, baby I ain't hard to find"

That whole verse tells you EVERYTHING lol..That's not even including the 7 day theory!

Originally posted by tom goose

Originally posted by baraka
sure you can make a rap song in your own bedroom, but i know a lot of people that make rock songs in their bedroom, the only thing they need is a recording software,mixer, and a drum machine like battery or other top notch plugin...so whats the point..?

are you saying that rock is better because you work as a team?

well what about colaborations with mcs across the world? i understand that you like rock music, but you cant ditch rap music because you dont like it...or because it doesnt have a guitar... that is... i dont even know what to call that seriously.

you have great rock artists and you have great rap artists and thats it, they both share the messages they want political,sexual or just for fun...

personaly i dont like rock music mostly guitar solos...but i must confess that are artists that makes me think twice on that...but i will never say that the music is garbage because it doesnt have a dj scratching...

mc collaborations are done using Fed Ex don't kid yourself. one guy makes the beat, mails that off to one of the rappers with his lyrics and instructions, then mailed off to the other guy to add his "collaboration." Most collaborators do not even meet each other unless they go on stage. Vancouver does not have the best local rap scene im sure but from what i have seen it is nothing but a bunch of lazy pot heads that couldn't keep their fingers moving long enough to complete a guitar solo without running out of breath. I have never heard of a Rock album, with the exception of nine inch nails who is not classified as rock, use a drum machine instead of playing the real drums. Besides even Trent Reznor brings a band on tour to play his songs.

Yes playing as team means Rock is better than Rap. The ability to SING instead of talk makes rock better than rap. These are not opinions this is me listing traits of one against the other. Rock can change the world, rap will keep everyone complacent and keep the world where it is without any rocking the boat.

Back to the topic at hand. Tupac dieing was not part of the any power elites plan. He was a pawn to make money off of and direct influence on the youth.

Everyone saw the video of Tupac, Suge and the rest of the crew boot stomping that crip in the hotel lobby. What do you thinks was going to happen next? You think he was going to run home and show his mom where Tupacs foot touched his face? then go put the dirt that came off Tupacs shoe into a jar? Seriously what do you think was going to happen after that??? I doubt they would shoot Suge, he was still good for a record deal once Tupac was gone.

About your disregard for Hip Hop...

Why dont you zip it and take a look at this wonderful MC (Master of Ceremonies) collaboration and improvisation and the show it self.

It's like saying Boxing is better than Football lol




EDIT: No Fedex here, so you are wrong, very wrong...

Originally posted by tom goose

Originally posted by Game_Over
reply to post by tom goose

 

Exactly. You never liked Hip Hop. Just say it. You never looked deeper than the official story (gee, wonder where I heard that before).

I'm not sure if this is a:

A) Defend the fact that rap IS Music thread.

or a

B) Tupac was just a thug and not intellectual

thread. I mean, hip hop IS music. Hate to break it to you holdouts, but you lost. Accept it.

Tupac was not just a thug. That was a part of his persona.

Remember when white people were scared of hip hop?

PS - that is a serious question.

No man I was very into Tupac back then, i was 16 when he died and ripped apart every song of his looking for reasons why he is still alive. I was really into rap back then, lined up around the block when 'Doggystye' was released, and basically did what every other kid was doing, talking like them, acting like them, dressing like them. Overnight we were all admiring a life of crime and heart ache and we were all easy to identify. Look at it from a Police point of view:

they will never be out of work, tupac and his genre were constantly pouring fuel on the fire, all of the perpetrators are easy to identify and usually not really that bad ass since the influence comes from music and fantasy rather than actual violent environments. Not to mention rapper fans are usually easy to prosecute in front of a jury because they dress so foolish. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Youre a funny guy.

So youre saying you was a fool. Youre saying you dont listen to what you want when you want. Youre saying that youre easily led. How the hell can you sit there and type the tripe that im reading

Just cos you got sucked in by that dont mean everyone is a sucker.

reply to post by tom goose


You obviously have not read the FBI vault that I linked on this page now have ya?

See, people like you THINK they have a clue but really dont.

All your comments have been about condeming the genre.

Where do you get your info from?

Do some research before condeming, you puritan!

I'm reading from A to B here. I'm not the one coming up with far fetched conspiracy theories to promote my genre of music am i? You people think the that Tupac was special because the FBI had a file on him Maybe tupac should have refrained from speaking about all the criminal activities he was involved in (what a loser) and the FBI would not feel obligated to pursue a case. I would be quite disappointed in the FBI if this guy was allowed to spout off about hurting people and selling drugs to millions of youth and they wouldn't even investigate him.


Dr Cosma, that was the stupidest video i have ever seen, i watched some of it because i didn't want to be ignorant but what was the point? no fedex? that was choreographed. You made my point perfectly. that was retarded and all those people were a bunch of clowns who the REAL world will never take seriously.

WOW improvising???? were they all trying out for saturday night live???

Good luck getting a good job in your future. Maybe rap is just for low class losers and i don't get it.