NJ woman chides NYC smoker, gets stabbed with pen (smoking verses non smoking)

Personally, It really doesn't matter what the that woman did to be slashed. It's not okay to hurt people cause they tick you off. If being a D bag was punishable by slashing of the face, a lot of people would have pretty gnarly scars on their faces

Just my 2 cents

non-smokers should have the right to not be subject to smoke against thier wishes, however.........
the vast majority of them are full of #hit!

they ban smoking here, there, everywhere, even if you smoke is a designated area that is clearly marked, sure enough, eventually some asshat will come close enough to make sure you hear thier fake cough. It's like a religious movement they took up.

here in vegas they surprisingly voted against smoking in bars, citing that business will improve cause of it, fast forward to today, and quite a few bars went out of business. they bitched and moaned that casinos needed smoke-free areas, fast forward to today and most casinos have ditched those areas cause nobody uses them.

like I said, nobody should be forced to breathe smoke in, but a good portion of "non-smokers" are just miserable trouble makers that think they are on some holy mission. there is even places in this country where you can't smoke in your home or car.

reply to post by Matthew Dark

It's bad enough that smokers are punished with obscene taxes on cigarettes

No. Smokers aren't being punished with obscene taxes. Knowing that the taxes on cigarettes are high, any smoker who continues to buy cigarettes is agreeing to the taxes that they're paying. No one is forced to buy cigarettes. If they don't like the taxes, they can quit. It's that simple.

reply to post by octotom


Imagine where your state deficit would lie if everyone quit today. Most states are screwed as it is and we are helping as much as we can(us smokers).

Originally posted by Jefferton
I am highly allergic to cigarette smoke. If I breath it in my breathing immediately becomes difficult. That might be the "cough cough" thing you find so annoying.

I find not breathing annoying. I guess it depends on your point of view.

I'm totally down with Tom P. Turrs and the mayor, but I think people who claim "cigarette allergy" are more likely just being whiners.

See what happens when ADDICTED people are preventing and/or stopped from getting what they want? Non-addicted people get hurt! So there should be laws implemented for stupid, violent addicted people (smoking, etc).

reply to post by Jefferton


I have a slight allergy to some of the ingredients used in cigarettes. My eyes dry up and become red and it's rather painful. This is something that developed over my mid to late teens, before then I was raised around smokers. Throughout the 80's and early 90's you couldn't go a place that didn't have a smoking section. Did I really mind as a kid? No. Do I mind standing around people who smoke today? No. (If I did, me and the GF would have some problems!)

I'm not the kind of non-smoker that'll whine and complain when someone lights up next to me. The only time I'll say something is when my eyes start acting up and I'm in discomfort. And 99.99% of the time, the smokers around me either move, I move or they put it out. They don't whine either, it's called respect. I respect your choice and you respect me.

That's what this article is about in my opinion. The lady asked if the guy smoking could NOT light one up in the subway, he then starts cutting up her face. I'm just thankful not every smoker out there is like that. But then again, psychos come in both smoke and smoke free variants.

reply to post by Frontkjemper


SnF for you finally a non-smoker with a REALITY based perspective.

reply to post by regor77


I'm not denying that. My point is, smokers can't complain about the taxes that they pay on cigarettes since they willingly choose to smoke.

reply to post by octotom


Your point is valid too and to be honest i am not the type to complain, however I kinda cheat by rolling my own so it still only costs me a buck and a quarter per pack. Complaining is for wieners, I take action lol.

There is no proof the man was smoking.

It sounds like he just had the thing in his mouth - ready to go for when he got off the train - when the psychotic woman attacked him and violently penetrated his personal space whilst assailing his property, violently. He took action and defended himself with the tools he had available; his pen.

Luckily the victim is unscathed, but the attacker did get stabbed. I hope she spends some time in jail.

One does not have the right to violently assault and damage the property of those who you think might be going to light a cigarette indoors.

This is America, not Hitler's Germany.

Wow really? You guys are gonna be worried about second hand smoke being harmful in an open environment? Answer is simple really simply move away from that person. How about all the things placed into your and everyone else food and water that we eat and drink on a daily basis? And please stop telling us smokers how many toxic chemicals are in cigarettes we are well aware of that fact but at least we are informed and make the choice to smoke them. Unlike what is placed in everyones food and water which ultimately we don't have much say in. If we are gonna just complain about things we should complain about things that are actually important.

Maybe if more people smoked tobacco I wouldn't care, but most of you just suck down those freaking chemical cigs. I've been around both types, and I really don't mind if it's someone who's smoking tobacco and paper. Start blowing all that other garbage around me and I'm not going to be too kind.

reply to post by HabaneroPepper


Your post makes me want to do the annoying coughcough gesture even more. That is at least until the smoker gets pissed off to the point he/she stabs me in the face with a pen. But even then, when I'm on the ground bleeding with a pen jutting from my face, I'll still give out a few more coughs before I fall unconscious, simply to agitate the person a little bit more.

reply to post by arbitrarygeneraiist


That's the way to take one for the team.

A few years ago I would have argued and argued about this and ranted back and forth endlessly with those who really think that law is for the best. It's already done though, non-smokers made the push for change and that freedom is something you shouldn't expect to see again in this country.

That day on Jan 1 has already passed here when bar owners around the state began to get harassed and fined for what they have been doing all along and hundreds of thousands of people were inconvenienced into anger. You see it didn't only affect non-smokers and their cryptonite like vulnerability to a whiff of tobacco smoke, bars filled to the brim with people all of whom smoke had to yield to government laws intruding upon their recreational time right down into the heartland of USA. Establishment and small business owners suffered and are still, not big business, the rich and the state government (or where ever that fine money goes? do you know?) are once again richer and we are poorer. People are more irritable of one another and even slashing at each other now.

Push at people and I guess they push back huh? Maybe your pushing at the wrong people.

reply to post by schuyler


Was there a point to your post or was it simply meant to chide people and convey how times change? The thing you might want to learn about humans is that they have a tendency to work as a collective that typically goes above things like natural selection and survival of the fittest. But since humans and human abilities are both natural products of this earth, all of the things that humans do are meant to be done and are natural. Likewise, it is up to the human race to decide what is moral and what isn't, what is legal and what isn't, what is harmful and what isn't, and take action accordingly to those things.

reply to post by RSF77


The explanation in your post doesn't only apply to smokers versus non-smokers. You can easily replace those two groups with another group and find that legislation has been passed, that laws have been made to inconvenience one side in favor of another for many many groups and issues surrounding those groups.

But really, the issue of smoking has little to do with the world economy, and has even less to do with the majority of world affairs. The issue of smoking is selective to itself in that it's just an issue of itself. But I suppose a point can be made that issues like smoking, as well as other issues, make up a small fragment of a greater whole in the bigger scheme of things. Like saying that making it illegal to smoke would be just another piece of armor chinked off of freedom.

In which case so was prohibition, so was making weed illegal, or coc aine illegal, or prostitution illegal, or making it illegal not to pay taxes. There's just so many things that infringe upon a person's ability to truly be free.

I only read the first 3 pages of this thread, so I might be wrong on this.

Has anyone pointed out that smokers have the "right" to smoke by law? Tobacco isn't illegal (unless your under 18). If you are 18+ and have the money to buy cigarettes, then who is to say you can't smoke? I'm not saying that smokers should be allowed to go into hospitals and blow smoke into new born babys faces or anything. Im just saying that if I am out doors and someone feels the need to tell me that smoking is bad for my health I kindly remind them that telling a complete stranger that what they choose to do with their body, can be harmful to their health.

Public Transportation, Gov. buildings, places where children congregate (schools, Chuck e. cheese, ect.) should now allow smoking.

Now if im walking down the street and feel the need to smoke, I should be allowed to. If you don't like having to smell my smoke for less than 10 seconds while we pass each other, than cross the street and don't complain about it.

If you choose to smoke or not, that doesn't give you the right to stab someone in the face over it, lol

NEW YORK – A New Jersey woman was stabbed in the face with a pen on a New York City subway train after she tried to stop a man from lighting a cigarette. The assault occurred on a crowded No. 3 train near the Chambers Street station during Tuesday's morning rush. Witnesses told the Daily News and the New York Post that an argument quickly escalated when Evelyn Seeger asked the man not to smoke. The witnesses say two riders were trying to restrain the man when he pulled out a pen and slashed Seeger's face. Seeger, of Nutley, N.J., was treated at a hospital and released. Police charged the man with felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon.

XD hilarity when I first read........ In the end both sides get what they deserve for their transgressions. The woman shouldn't of acted so familiar with that guy; like her saying anything was going to for sure stop this guy.

If I recall it says "2 riders were trying to RESTRAIN the man....." Then he pulled out the pen and slashed that bitches face...... People need to learn.... you don't put your hands on other peoples #..... or more specifically them. I'm sorry but you put your hands on me..... and theres more than one of you and I actually feel threatened.... I might do worse than give you a nick with a pen.... I might grab your arm, pop your shoulder out of the socket (or just break your arm/hand/wrist) without getting up. If they wanted to get him in trouble they should have, and they could have waited till they got to the next station.

When you get up and try to play hero over a #ing cigarette.... then cause a woman to get sliced because you and who-ever else backed her up and made her feel comfortable to try and snatch/slap # out of some unknown mans hands....... then thats partially your fault.

People need to learn to others the # alone, and others need to learn to be considerate of others. He shouldn't be smoking in a small underground unventilated area where it might bother Countless people, and they shouldn't act like they are #ing police officers; trying to manhandle his #. Both parties were wrong and a woman got her face sliced because of it.