NJ woman chides NYC smoker, gets stabbed with pen (smoking verses non smoking)

And for the record, I have been a mortician since I was 14. So don't bother quoting me figures about death and how people die.

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
Typically pathetically stupid answer from a smoker, but unfortunately the kind you expect from someone desperate to justify the unjustifiable ........

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
Where you stupid before you started smoking, or did it make you stupid ? ( kinda chicken or the egg question )

I feel kind of stupid now that you joined the thread, but that's pretty stupid in itself. If those stupid smokers and non smokers arguing about stupid stuff all the time just makes us all stupider, and what makes it even more stupider, is when a stupid troll shows up and starts called every other stupid type of person stupid. Man, that's pretty stupid, you agree?

I know it is wrong and as a civilized human being I control myself but I must admit I have often thought of reacting badly to someone assuming the right to make a comment. let alone correct me for smoking. Although I would never smoke inside a closed environment, there was a time maybe 25 years ago when I was at a restaurant I often went to out on Lake Austin (Lou's On The Lake) when I light a cigarette at my table out on the patio and a woman came up to tell me to not smoke. I said, I see by the ring on your finger that you are married and suggested she go have her husband come tell me not to smoke. Apparently her husband got the hint and so far I have never lost my civil composure enough to make an example of one of these mollusks for assuming the right to tell me what to do with my body, in my space. There will of course be plenty who will say that the smoke from my cigarette infringed upon their space and while I realize my thinking is not fair, I have often thought others impose the fumes from their cars on me, to say nothing of my having to listen and/or witness their presence in my field of view. My rhetoric aside, I have to wonder who will be civilized and be putting up with who when our society breaks down and their is no longer law, law enforcement and prisons around to protect us from one another. I am sorry for the woman, and sorry for the man who was not able to restrain his reaction.

reply to post by MajorKarma


I smoke and I really do try to respect others but to slash anyone over this is just really bad. I always try to take the high road but to go after someone and stab them is over the line in mop. This world gets more nuts as the days go by.

reply to post by RSF77


No. Maybe you are just more diplomatic than me. I was once too when younger. Now I just call a spade a spade.

If you are dumb, incompetent, rude or ignorant around me, you get told so. In terms these people can understand.

Because face it, if they were smart, we would not be having this conversation.

I worked at this one company that had a designated smoking area, in that area there were picnic tables and sand buckets. Non smokers started to complain that they wanted to sit in that area and eat, even though there were several tables on the other side of the building just for them. Their tables had umbrellas over them, the smokers did not, we advocated for a shelter of some sort to keep us dry when it rained, and the company provided one of those metal garage type shelters. The non smokers then pitched a fit for a similar shelter. They got one. Then some of them complained that they could smell smoke from the area inside the building, and the company decided to do away with the smoking area entirely. We could go to our cars to smoke. Our cars were parked across the road in a separate area, and there was not enough time to cross and smoke during breaks. Job perfomance suffered, animosity among smoking and non smoking employees was thick enough to cut with a knife, sales were going down, I left that job, not because of this, but, shortly after I left, the whole company sold out. They no longer even have offices here.
A lot of us felt like the issue had been taken tooo far by the non smokers, what they really wanted was for us to be told to quit, to mandate our personal choices, and it is still well discussed that this matter is what took the company down. There were more smokers than non.

I don't smoke with non smokers, and I make an effort not to smoke around non smokers, but lord don't ever get up in my space and try to censor my choices, I will kick your ass.

The woman should be charged with attempted theft and assault along with property damage if the cigarette was broken.

It is not illegal to place a cigarette in your mouth and not light it - which is what this man did.

There is no evidence that he intended to do anything other than light the smoke after he got off the train - many people do this. Sadly this preparatory act on his part result in a predatory assault on him by a violent non-smoker.

I hope that he is reimbursed for the price of his pen and cigarette, which never would have been damaged if he had not been violently assaulted by a predatory non-smoker.

Police charged the man with felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon.

Not sure if this has been brought up, I scanned the first couple of pages and the last page and didn't see anyone mention it but.... CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON?! Now granted, the article does not specify that the pen was the weapon in question, he could have had a handgun or something also, but lets assume that the charge does in fact refer to the pen... how is this even legal? It seems like the assault charge should be enough.

reply to post by ExquisitExamplE


Lest we forget, he was violently assaulted and a victim of attempted theft. His property may well have been damaged beyond repair.

What we have here is a case of misjustice. The man was only defending himself with the tools he had available.

That woman belongs in jail. She has to be taught that she is not allowed to penetrate people's personal space and violently jack their unlit cigarettes.

Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by Jefferton

 

would you like to breathe if a guy with major b.o. came and stood next to you, should we have b.o. free zones and bring in the b.o. police to sniff armpits and evict any offending parties? seriously complaining about smoke indoors is fair enough, but outdoors? where the hell can smokers smoke without people whining about it?

Terrible comparison... B.O. has not been proven to contain toxic chemicals or cause illness or death.

Originally posted by onehuman

What I really dont get it IS why dont they just compromise? Put a sign on the door,"This is a smoking establishment," or This is a "Non Smoking establishment." Then water can seek its own level and the smokers wont bother the non smokers and visa versa. Is it really that tough to make it that simple? Or, this is a smoking flight and this one isn't. Book your preference.

The reason they were able to pass "no smoking" laws in the first place was to create safer working environments for employees.

Other than quitting their job and trying to get a job at a no smoking establishment, there is no way for an employee to protect themself from second hand smoke.

Originally posted by ExquisitExamplE

Police charged the man with felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon.

Not sure if this has been brought up, I scanned the first couple of pages and the last page and didn't see anyone mention it but.... CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON?! Now granted, the article does not specify that the pen was the weapon in question, he could have had a handgun or something also, but lets assume that the charge does in fact refer to the pen... how is this even legal? It seems like the assault charge should be enough.

In any state in the United States, if you use ANYTHING as a weapon in the commission of a crime you can be charged with possession of a weapon. You used an item as a weapon, and you possessed it... seems pretty clear to me.

OP, you should move to New Orleans. You can smoke in some bars, and not in others. People smoke in some establishments and not in others. I am not addicted to smoking. I have a cigarette when I feel like one, which is about once every four or five months. I do think that people can be pretty wussy about cigarette smoke. Like, you live in a big city, full of exhaust fumes, and you get uppity with someone who smokes, that doesn't make logical sense. Maybe, and I didn't read the story you mentioned, the man was intentionally ignoring the law. I know New York has some pretty strict smoking laws and astronomical taxes on cigarettes. Oh, well, best wishes.

Originally posted by franklin555
Maybe, and I didn't read the story you mentioned, the man was intentionally ignoring the law..

He was breaking no law.

The woman violently attacked him and his property because she thought that he might at some point in the future, light his cigarette on the train.

*As many people do, the gentleman was just preparing his cigarette for when he got off the train. Sadly he was violently assaulted for doing this and was forced to defend himself with the only tools he had available. Luckily he wasn't severely injured, but his attacker was.

There used to be a time that you could smoke a cigarette at Mcdonalds.... yes when we still lived in a FREE country.

reply to post by onehuman


Smoking cigarettes/cigars in a closed environment is an IMMORAL thing to do unless you are alone in your own residence/vehicle or have the permission of EVERYONE around you including the OWNER of the residence/vehicle.

You might as well be addicted to wrapping plastic bags around people's heads.

It's just as immoral.

Only difference being, wrapping plastic bags around people's heads was never socially acceptable, as smoking once was.

What has happened to freedom?

Everyone has the right to do what they like, as long as it does not damage anyone else.

What about the P smokers - some of whom go nuts and murder people.

Leave smokers alone.

If smokers want to kill themselves, that is their business.

reply to post by catwhoknowsplusone


refer to my post above yours cat.

reply to post by JPhish


OK,

So, leave the cigarettes smokers alone.

Why are people worrying about cigarette smokers, who are usually law-abiding.

People should be worrying about child abusers, murderers, drug dealers, and every other type of criminal.

Cigarette smokers are usually not involved in evil, except against themselves.

Originally posted by JPhish
reply to post by onehuman

 

Smoking cigarettes/cigars in a closed environment is an IMMORAL thing to do unless you are alone in your own residence/vehicle or have the permission of EVERYONE around you including the OWNER of the residence/vehicle.

Not if it isn't a non-smoking environment.

If it isn't, then the non-smokers have to just suck it up and deal with it. Their feet aren't nailed to the ground, they knew the place wasn't non-smoking.

No one wants to hear a non-smoker whine. They need to learn to keep their mouths shut and quit pretending that a like a cigarette being smoked gives them the right to abandon all manners and start acting like a petulant little child.