What is the most Believable UFO Incident/Post on ATS

a reply to: rigel4

1977 RAF Boulmer Event is a good one, there is an eye witness who at the time was 12 with a couple of friends who saw the lights of two hovering objects. The lads father dismissed it as a military project. The man remembered the lights being as bright as the moon.

I think it's important to remember that unfortunately, once the military get involved in any UFO case they move in take all evidence - if there is any - then just deny anything had happened.

We need to keep watching the skies ourselves and ensure evidence is shared before ultimately being denied.

a reply to: jimbotweed

Here's a witness statement form one of those involved in the Boulmer Event which was published last year.

I like sunsets and that’s why I looked at the moon – I was waiting my turn for another go of the skateboard – and the beautiful moon was the first thing I saw before I then noticed the discs.

I shouted to my friends to take a look and they saw the two big discs in the sky. From our perspective standing at the top of Meadowriggs the moon was above RAF Boulmer and the two discs were above the moon. The discs were not flat – as if you were looking at a plate side on – but if you were looking at a plate face on. The discs were brighter than the moon, and seemed to be shining from their own light, sort of luminous.

They just hovered there not moving and my friends and I speculated what they could be. One of my friends M. (now unfortunately deceased from cancer) lived just across from where we were playing. We ran and pointed out the discs to his father who suggested that they were most likely something that the RAF was doing.

I think he suggested they might be some new kind of flare or something. He went back to his gardening and we went back outside and had another good look at the discs.
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a reply to: gortex

Yeah that is the one I read, a nice little account. I can imagine kids dismissing things as soon as they have seen them. I can remember from my youth seeing weird things and forgetting them by the evening.

a reply to: Kandinsky

There are scores that seem extraordinary to me; too many to list and I'm no fan of lists anyway

List away imo, most of us dont have time to search through all the questionable cases only to discover a really good one here and there.

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Problem is, the article got many facts wrong. This is clearly explained in the next videos, when one of the victims was contacted several years later (videos in spanish). As the victim states, they arrived at destination a lot earlier of what supposed. They bypassed several checkpoints and there was only one, straight line, road. Basically, they were lifted along with the car by a 'ship' and when they were left on the ground, they were really close to the final destination. In fact they arrived so early that were accused of cheating. I suppose nobody could explain HOW the cheated giving the circumstances. Maybe a military Chinook that nobody saw in first place transported them, 1978, Argentina... sounds about right. Nope.

Independent witnesses at the arrival, at the departure (it was a continental rally championship), several checkpoints skipped somehow in the only road available. Yep, pretty solid case.

a reply to: RSF77

Everything is an assumption, the only thing we truly know is that "we exist, therefore we are".. Take this news photo from 1952 for example:

One of my favorite UFO related photos and the one I was talking about earlier in the thread, I'm assuming those aren't aircraft from Earth? I'm probably right. There is nothing I can know for certain, I'm just taking a good guess and admitting it.

As DelMarvel pointed out this photo is a crop of the photo below and then digitally altered. It actually shows reflections from the street lights below on the camera lens and was not even taken in 1952. I almost got fooled myself by it when looking into the DC sightings a while back. There are actually no photos of the sightings as they happened in the late night/early hours of the morning at a time when most Americans still out at that time would be unlikely to be carrying a camera of any description.



However that doesn't mean there was nothing to that case. It's not a question of even having to believe in it. Something really did happen to trigger radar alerts over the Capitol. Although many believe it to have been a mass sighting it was actually limited to a few pilots, some military staff and a handful of civilians. However it received massive publicity and was part of a very, very busy year for UFO sightings. Project Bluebook's biggest year of unidentified cases by far. Not long after that it's objectives changed from investigation to managing public perception. Make of that what you will.

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But I am going to add a UFO case from each of the four nations of Britain. Mainly because I am British myself and I doubt most of these stories are that well know across the pond and beyond our fair isles. Plus I actually did spend quite a lot of time looking into these cases back in the day.

One of my favourite UFO cases is a very little known one from the Northern England. Many would not even call it a UFO case at all. However it does involve a flying object that was never identified flying over the Derbyshire peaks and Cheshire area of England from the late months of 1973 into the spring of 1974. Many reported a "helicopter" even landing at times. Strangely enough this flap of sightings immediately preceded the alleged UFO crash in the Berwyn mountains of Wales in early 1974. The county of Cheshire borders Wales. Coincidence? I don't know.

The Police Special Branch file was closed in October 1974 with the comment “the helicopter and pilot were never identified.”
Phantom Helicopters over the UK


The Great UFO Cover Up? : Berwyn Mountains, Wales



Aside from that there is the mysterious case of Bob Taylor a Scottish Forestry Worker who reported being attacked by a very strange craft in 1979. It is the only UFO case to have been the subject of a criminal investigation in the UK.



The Dechmont Woods Encounter, 1979

And finally there is the very strange encounter in Northern Ireland between SAS Troops and aliens in 1993.


British SAS in 'Alien' Riddle : “little grey men” walk into ambush - then vanish

This is the least believable of them all. The sources are untraceable and the story seems like a silly season media story.

I even asked Nick Pope about it via email as he was the man at the MoD during the time of the sightings. He, very promptly, replied that he was aware of the newspaper story when it broke. But he can state categorically that the MoD desk received no official report on this issue, there is no documentation and there are no on-the-record witnesses.

He did end by saying "interesting, if true".

But there is still the nagging stories from a member who was in Northern Ireland at the time on military duty and hinted that there was more to it than the evidence suggested. He had not posted for 2 years and has never posted again...... Which has long left a nagging doubt in my mind.....

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I know you asked for the most "believable" incident, and this may not fit that description, because there are many here on ATS, myself among them, that have suspicions about the veracity of the story.

Nevertheless, I am including it because it is the story that I "WISH" was most believable. The Charles J. Hall "Tall Whites" story as told in his Millennial Hospitality book series is a captivating, first-hand account of an Air Force weather technician working on the Nellis AFB in the mid-sixties.



Anyway - a great tale, true or not. "Believable" is a highly subjective term, and I'm still on the fence about it, but after reading all of the books in the series and listening to Mr. Hall speak, I get the distinct impression that HE believes it. One thing that is become increasingly troubling (to me, anyway) is that his wife seems to be 'driving the bus' and turning the story into a 'revenue stream', one that I get the impression Charles Hall is not all that comfortable with.

a reply to: Kandinsky

Colares? A big case of WTF? Numerous reports, many witnesses, photographs, medical records etc. The only way to explain all of that is to put it down to ignorant peasants in a panic. People are fond of attributing such incidents to the CIA and I just don't know if they could pull something like that off. There was certainly a lot hysteria which would enhance misperceptions, but what started it and why were witnesses describing physical, technical objects in the air? I say 'technical' because these weren't mythical critters or Amazonian spirits they were describing.

I think that was a clear case of ergotism with the government using UFOs as a cover story.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

GTFO!

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

GTFO!

I'm kidding...but I think there is an uncanny resemblance....but apparently I am the only one on the entire internet that thinks so. ah well.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Fairly detailed review of the case in this video .

Case has a little of everything - alien encounter, Brazilian cover up, partial release of top secret documents(what a tease), and the military whistle blower dies of a supposed suicide.

Im not completely convinced of aliens on this one , and its really hard to figure what possible purpose anyone(human or alien) could have for an attack on this primitive town, just sadistic. Whoever they were, they werent intimidated by the military presence that came to investigate, sightings went on as normal. We never find out why they were abruptly told to stop their investigation either.

There is also a look into the mind of a hardened skeptic imo, the primary doctor responsible for treating all the burns went through several cases and came to the conclusion it was probably mass hysteria?! She isnt convinced until she has her own encounter, it just seems unfathomable that someone living through this and intimately involved through her treatments would continue to be a doubter...

Two more

LakenHeath-Bentwaters - long read as JKrog08 lays it all out. British Venoms launch to investigate UFO and find it chasing them.
Xtraeme finds this one extremely compelling.


Father Gill at New Guinea 1959 - apparently friendly aliens, these guys wave. Im at a loss to explain this one any other way, Gill and several other witnesses got a good look at this UFO with humanoid figures on top. Video from the man himself.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Yeah I know. I'm not gonna get into Colares '77 because a decent member is considering writing a new thread on it. Might as well save any thoughts for whenever it gets posted. It's been a long time since I focused on it and I've become far more of a believer and much more of a doubter too. Imagine that? : )


a reply to: 111DPKING111

The Gill encounter is an excellent example of strangeness. Whichever way I turn it, it doesn't make much sense. Islanders being unable to recognise fishing boats? 'Aliens' waving hello? A bunch of sunstroked people waving at Venus? It's so random and unlikely and nobody has ever doubted Gill's testimony. Hynek went over there and spoke to other witnesses who all backed up the account. There's a liminal quality to the idea of 20odd people waving at something that may, or may not, have been there.

a reply to: 111DPKING111
Thanks! I never saw that before. Definitely a fascinating case. "mass hysteria" is too easy a write off.

Another case on season 2 episode 9 of Close Encounters was the Angel Hair UFO at Oloron, France 1952. Hard to swallow the migrating horde of spiders theory proposed by some, Im going with the alien theory on this one. Starting in at 12 minutes in the following video




Some other links on angel hair

HowStuffWorks

The OZ Files

a reply to: mirageman

berwyn is probably my favourite uk case - more interesting than rendlesham imo

scott felton has done some good work on it - he seems to have got a bit sidetracked by the operation photoflash stuff though

the dechmont woods encounter is fascinating - there doesn't appear to be any indications of any 'official' interest beyond the local police

a reply to: mirageman

Not sure Bob Taylor's story is the most believable, but certainly one of the oddest, Ive never heard of another case like it. Only fitting it should happen in the UK, like straight out of Dr.Who

I found video with his first hand account

a reply to: aynock

the dechmont woods encounter is fascinating - there doesn't appear to be any indications of any 'official' interest beyond the local police

seems i was wrong - found this quote from nick pope:

“This case is truly bizarre and remains unexplained to this day,” he says.

“The MoD had a file on the incident, which would have been investigated by one of my predecessors. It’s a significant case because of the physical evidence.

“Robert Taylor seemed to be an honest man who had little to gain and much to lose by coming forward with this story. MoD should have used metal detectors and a Geiger counter at the site of the encounter, but it was difficult, once the police got involved, as word would have got out and it was always MoD policy to downplay the extent of our interest.

“There’s not much middle ground with this case: either some practical joke got out of hand, or Robert Taylor genuinely encountered something bizarre.”

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originally posted by: Kandinsky
The Gill encounter is an excellent example of strangeness. Whichever way I turn it, it doesn't make much sense. Islanders being unable to recognise fishing boats? 'Aliens' waving hello?

I've always been a big fan of strangeness. I like a good, detailed report that is being described as accurately as possible but has components to it that just don't make any logical sense. It actually makes me think that it's a more accurate report, because people have a tendency to gloss over certain things or work to make their reports more reasonable and logical.

Maybe it's just my bias when looking at reality, which I think it a lot more complex than meets the eye. But when I read a super strange report, I feel like at least I'm sensing there are pieces missing and that the answer lies in the blank spots. That's at least a tiny bit of progress. Of course, I also often feel that as human animals with limited intelligence and perceptive abilities, we will likely never be able to truly comprehend what those missing pieces are.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Not sure Bob Taylor's story is the most believable, but certainly one of the oddest, I've never heard of another case like it. Only fitting it should happen in the UK, like straight out of Dr.Who

Well strange you should say that...........

One of the prosaic theories (if there can be one) involves a Dr. Who episode. It's far too complicated to go over in this thread. Perhaps it's more of the most believable of "unbelievable" cases. The UFOs look like nothing anyone else has ever reported that I know of and the whole encounter is bizarre. It is one of the few cases with trace evidence on the ground from the UK. There are a few bits and pieces threads on the incident but I might revisit it in full myself one day.