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Originally posted by Sinnthia
Thank god you started yet another birther thread. ATS was hardly starting to look like birther central as it was and the vast amount of threads that just rehash the same old lies with the same birthers just ignoring the sources debunking them. This one was sorely needed as all this new information is amazing and groundbreaking.
Gosh, you would think if there were even a little truth to any of the birther claims, at least one of the threads would have reached that conclusion instead of just dying as another one just like it popped up to repeat the same old crap.
Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by aptness
I got news for you! This issue is the tip of the ice berg, it is the achilles heal of the whole cover up. It goes way beyond this because of the amount of people and organizations involved, but it is the way to get in and use leverage to get to the bigger answers. I don't think people realize how big this whole thing is. Almost all of our government has been involved in fraud!!!!!
Originally posted by Sinnthia
I will see your birther and raise you a legal Hawaiian birth certificate proving Obama was born in Honolulu.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by UcDat
It is a legally recognized birth certificate that proves he was born in Hawaii. I am not sure what more you are expecting than that. If you want to know more about his college years, that has nothing to do with his birth certificate. The title of the thread is Where is it. I just showed it to you. Shifting the goal posts does more to destroy the argument than expand it.
Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by UcDat
What is your point then?
Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by UcDat
It is a legally recognized birth certificate that proves he was born in Hawaii.
Originally posted by UcDat
not so much a shift as elaborating on it but the thing you didnt answer is why you think this is good enough?
Anyone can get a certificate of live birth and back when this was done it was even easier to fake.all you had to do was lie no one verified anything...
so like i said why no long form why no hospital records why cant even his family answer the simple question what hospital was he born in?
I mean if i got a uncertified online doctors degree that says Im a qualified gynecologist would you let me near your private parts?
Originally posted by IamCorrect
No, it doesn't prove that he was born in Hawaii.
Orly Taitz explained why in her interview with John King, and other attorneys like Mario Apuzzo and others who've filed suit say the same thing. Watch the interview.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by IamCorrect
No, it doesn't prove that he was born in Hawaii.
Yes it does. That is why it has that line stating place of birth. That is what that is all about.
Orly Taitz explained why in her interview with John King, and other attorneys like Mario Apuzzo and others who've filed suit say the same thing. Watch the interview.
Orly Taitz has been tossed out of court for presenting fraudulent evidence and failing to follow proper court procedure. She can say anything she wants in a youtube video. Her opinion does nothing to erase the FACTS. Can you?
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Originally posted by aptness
Nice story. Too bad that’s complete fiction.
Originally posted by rangersdad
During the campaigning Obama said that McCain was not a US citizen and not able to be president and about 2 days later McCain produced his long form birth certificate for all the world to see....Then McCain said to Obama, "lets see yours"
Give us a source to back up that account.
They actually had a congressional hearing to prove McCain's eligibility, due to being hounded by
The
PRESS
firstread.msnbc.msn.com...
blogs.wsj.com...
www.cbsnews.com...
Could The Supreme Court Decide Another Election? The New York Times reports on questions about John McCain's Constitutional eligibility to serve as President of the United States. The son of a U.S. Naval officer, McCain was actually born on a military base in the Panama Canal Zone where his father was stationed at the time. And the Constitution is not entirely clear on what constitutes a "natural-born citizen" – one of the few requirements needed to be met to be president.
www.timesonline.co.uk...
www.msnbc.msn.com...
Legislation Introduced - by Democrats - to Declare McCain a U.S. Citizen
blogs.abcnews.com...
With questions - however serious - about whether Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is eligible to run for president since he was born outside U.S. borders on an American Naval base, Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo. today introduced a non-binding resolution expressing the sense of the U.S. Senate that McCain qualifies as a "natural born Citizen," as specified in the Constitution and eligible for the highest office in the land.
Co-sponsors include Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Barack Obama, D-Illinois
Co-sponsors include Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, and Barack Obama, D-Illinoisedit on 113030p://bWednesday2011 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)edit on 113030p://bWednesday2011 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Newbomb Turk
Edit: Sorry I know that...that might have been somewhat, childish of me but I just have this sick sense of perverted humor side of me that just LOVES whenever someone lashed out with the 'Oh yea?!? Well how about a source to back your claim up there buddy!!!" and then they get spanked by the OP who comes back with a source....or five!edit on 20-4-2011 by Newbomb Turk because: Attempt to better explain myself lol
Originally posted by IamCorrect
Stop criticizing 'her' and criticize her arguments. Is that your way of conceding the argument? You can't argue directly with what she said when explaining this to John King, so you attempt to discredit her instead?edit on 20-4-2011 by IamCorrect because: (no reason given)