The Final Warning to Tokyo

Originally posted by wrkn4livn
For what it worth, I have never been a proponent of the "Low and slow" theory of tectonic movements. I think mountains can get pushed up violently and quickly.

Yeah, well I proposed that as well in the other thread. It's probably a combination of both. Most mountains are probably formed over long periods of time, but I also believe that sometimes plates or portions of plates can move fast. Like in minutes or hours, causing insane results. Like mega tsunamis and creating or adding substantially to mountain ranges. Accretion effects may happen faster than believed.

There appears to be some evidence of portions of the Pacific plate breaking off and descending into the mantle in Kamchatka, but as to how fast this occurred no one is sure.

The lack of huge continental mass on the north side of Japan on top of that little finger of the NA plate would be a suspect for such quick activity. It cannot withstand the pressure of the gigantic Pacific plate on the move northwestward. I am just hoping we are not witnessing the beginnings of a substantial plate move. The other quakes happening along the plate boundaries all around the ring of fire are concerning as well, although this has been happening for as long as we've been recording them. It's just normal to everyday seismology- I just fear they be missing a bigger picture.

ETA: also, the thread they are talking about concerning the meditative prediction is here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Earthquake Prediction Experiment: Asking the Cosmos During Meditation

I should point out that given the normal average of 8+ quakes, if it wasn't to be last March in 2010, March 2011 was the next obvious choice. And it WAS indeed the next 8+ quake that occurred in the world, from that point in time of the experiment. So that part was definitely correct. And the month was correct.

acknowledged or not, this is worth repeating:

People living in Japan should read this post very carefully. IT COULD POSSIBLY SAVE YOUR LIFE.


According to the possible divine coincidences and signs, Japan's LAST WARNING is this:

The March 11th Earthquake in the Japan region occurred on the First Friday of Lent as a warning of what would occur on the LAST FRIDAY of LENT which is also Earth Day/Good Friday.

The WARNING: ALL on GOOD FRIDAY (April 22nd) OR between NOW and the end of April 22nd 2011, there will be NINE more earthquakes of magnitude 6.0 or greater but only one of those would be of magnitude 7.0 or greater. The final earthquake would be the 77th. THE FINAL EARTHQUAKE WOULD OCCUR ON APRIL 22nd 2011(Good Friday/Earth Day). And the Final 77th Earthquake WOULD BE MORE TERRIFYING than the 9.0 that occurred on March 11th. The final EQ would also be the 7th earthquake since March 9th(the first day of Lent) to be of magnitude 7.0 or higher.

This warning also applies to the United States.

To understand the reasoning, signs, and coincidences, behind this warning read the first 3 pages of the following thread, which involves(started with) the prediction of a mega-earthquake for the USA until I realized the warning was for both the US and Japan:
abovetopsecret.com...

One other Final Warning for Japan/U.S. involves the American Stock Market tomorrow.

What makes you think you're so qualified as to make predictions that out do seismologists? Yes, Japan has had earthquakes recently, but that doesn't mean they are going to continue.

reply to post by Phantomfire707


I dont mean to come of as rude, but do you have any proof other than religious connections ? and if you could put the things simpler terms it would be easier to understand.

If you don't hold a degree then nothing you say has relevance? Tell that to Bill Gates, Alexander Graham Bell, Richard Branson, Andrew Carnegie, Arthur C Clarke, Walter Cronkite or Charles Dickens...All self taught! A degree is nothing more than one particular route to knowledge, nothing more! "Have you ever been to Paris?...Oh you have...On a boat?...Sorry that doesn't count, unless you flew to Paris I'm afraid you've never actually been!" Same argument in my books. Somebody posted that "Earthquakes are not predictable period" or some such gibberish, with plate movement and subduction zones I beg to differ, seems to me the only missing element is our ability to slap a time line on it...The event itself is a given. I also find myself at odds with the idea proposed here that TA makes predictions based solely on the appearance of little yellow and red squares on the USGS site...GEE! And regurgitating Japanese MSM doesn't appear to be his style either. Maybe read the whole thread and check his profile before foaming at the mouth....My 02

reply to post by Phantomfire707


Now I may not always agree with TA, and I will tell him so and likewise he will tell me. But this.....

The WARNING: ALL on GOOD FRIDAY (April 22nd) OR between NOW and the end of April 22nd 2011, there will be NINE more earthquakes of magnitude 6.0 or greater but only one of those would be of magnitude 7.0 or greater. The final earthquake would be the 77th. THE FINAL EARTHQUAKE WOULD OCCUR ON APRIL 22nd 2011(Good Friday/Earth Day). And the Final 77th Earthquake WOULD BE MORE TERRIFYING than the 9.0 that occurred on March 11th. The final EQ would also be the 7th earthquake since March 9th(the first day of Lent) to be of magnitude 7.0 or higher.

I mean really! There will not be nine more earthquakes of mag 6 or greater between now and the 22nd April - by the way is that the end of the 22nd, and in which time zone - Japan?

Anyone is entitled to their religion and their religious beliefs but that does not extend to this baseless poppycock.

Considering that Easter is a moveable feast this has no basis of anything at all.

and i bet all you skeptics would love to put TA on paxil, too, huh? why try to suppress another's thought? i mewan...what...cuz you don't see it, it can't be true? if you're saying that he is wrong, you're jsut as "crazy" as you think he is! i mean...you're predicting it WON'T happen...TA is predicting it WILL happen. sounds like both of you are predicting something. and if both of you are doing the same thing, who are you to scold him.

i would imagine that most of the readers of these threads LOVE to see the recockulous stories on here, if for nothing than laughing material. if they open this thread and are interested enough to follow it, they probably want to hear what TA has to say...or they are just here to see/be a part of drama...Snip
i guess that the only way one of you will be right is if the prediction doesn't come true. so...let's wait until the end before we fire our pistols boys...until then...let's let our brains go for a bit. let your hair down. TA could very well be right. in fact, he has more research and proof for why it WILL happen than you do for why it WON"T happen. i want to see you put together this much info (links, charts, graphs, numbers, quotes) as TA has and make a thread. let's analyze your prediction. otherwise...you're just a cheerleader for the other team. neither team knows who's gonna win but cheerleaders aren't even playing. at least TA is on the field...






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Being self taught is good and all, but if you're warning people to leave...

Any word from other sources about the chance of an earthquake?

reply to post by Turq1


Apparently you did not read my post on page 5 of this thread. So here you go again.

Japan earthquake increases risk of Tokyo disaster, scientists warn

Scientists have warned that Tokyo could be at risk from a powerful earthquake, after the recent shock that hit the country put more stress on a nearby geological fault line in the earth.

Read more: www.metro.co.uk...

Link

reply to post by zorgon


Dont get me wrong Z, we all know that the logistics of moving 30+ million people have no real precedence in our current history of the world, there is no possible way to really make it up for all the people in Tokyo and the adjacent areas, thing is that its not all about moving them but settling them down somewhere without disrupting existing patterns, chaos ensues if suddenly a semi stable system gets overloaded with a greater demand than what its capable of supplying.

Concentration camps come to mind of course as an inhuman alternative to housing large errant populations but that is stretching the imagination too much
The Op has made some outstanding claims, by saying that a large chunk of Japan has a great potential of sinking beneath the waves, Silverlock also made some pertinent observations regarding the geode projections, the frequency and strength of the recent japanese quakes could well mean something big, but to say that they will be tomorrow seems a bit rushed in my perception, I would have said "probably soon".


My main point to the last post I made in this topic was the seeming disruptive pattern I could observe within the thread of new posters just signing up to post in the japanese threads and apply the whole truckload of semiotic warfare available, I believe ATS should be somewhere where every word said counted in a positive manner to the general understanding and education of everyone involved, the communication cycles nowadays seem polluted and uneven, the government and the news treat us like ignorant fools, that we are unable to cope with the slightest variations to our seemingly normal reality, i´m afraid they are mostly right, but in my way of thinking, they could do a far better and elegant means to swaying opinions than the nasty tactics of astroturfing...

Originally posted by Turq1
Being self taught is good and all, but if you're warning people to leave...

Any word from other sources about the chance of an earthquake?

edit on 20-4-2011 by Turq1 because: (no reason given)

Relocating 30 odd million people until the threat passes would be a challenge to the highest order, I doubt it's even logistically possible. I think TA's message is for anyone in the zone who has the ability to get out, move on is prudent given the magnitude of possible calamity. If I lived in the area and frequented his posts, then yes I'd have to say that based on what I've read in his posting history, I'd be inclined to look for higher ground if you will. Many, many people will not walk under ladders or step on cracks based on info that was handed down without any regard to education or lack thereof attributed to the originators of such belief, they're just not gonna take a chance on seven years of bad luck. If people can even consider that info without qualification but disregard the message of an immanent threat to life because it was handed to them by someone without a degree on the wall then I don't get it. Every born again converted to Christianity did so at the call of a person with a degree or qualification? I seriously doubt that! So we're left with the idea that they were so afraid of the fiery place after death that they generally listened to the layman or self taught prophet and moved their thinking in line with religion to avoid disaster in the afterlife.

PS...This reply was directed to your post before the edit

Give the man his due, TA usually backs up with facts - so I doff my cap off to him

I am well aware of the aftershocks but was surprised at the sizes of the aftershock earthquakes, there have been a couple of medium sized earthquakes :

March 9: 7.2
March 11: 9.0
March 11: 7.1 [Aftershock]
April 7: 7.1 [Aftershock]

This is far more than other earthquakes for the region: Wikkipaedia

reply to post by TrueAmerican

It cannot withstand the pressure of the gigantic Pacific plate on the move northwestward.

OK, you brought this up so.....

The Pacific plate is moving North-westwards is it? Can you explain how it can move in many different directions at once at different speeds, and yet at some points around the plate there is no movement and no spreading on the eastern side of it? This is something I have been looking for an answer to for a very long time.

Alaska - bearing 344 (58mm pa)
Aleutians - bearing 325 (73mm pa)
Okhotsk - bearing 319 (78mm pa)
Japan - bearing 301 (92mm pa)
Maraianas - bearing 253 (65mm pa)
Samoa - bearing 291 (237mm pa)
Kermadec - nearing 282 (88mm pa)

At others such as Endeavour (Eastern side) the spreading is 29mm. But where is the massive spreading that would be needed to accommodate these rates? It is never mentioned anywhere.

What happens of the coast of California? Is there spreading? Where is it? There is no fault line between it and Japan so if the Pacific plate is moving North west then there has to be spreading unless the speed of the American plate moving South West exactly matches the Pacific plate moving North West. They say that the Pacific plate is sliding north here, i.e. the Pacific and American plates are passing each other and rubbing off the edges! So no spreading and no subduction - and yet this is moving North West?

None of that actually adds up when you look at all the figures. Sure the plates are flexible so they are (my foot) and so they bend to accommodate the different rates.

Ever since this daft plate tectonics theory was introduced it has had problems and areas that just don't fit. Not that other theories are any better - they also have problems.

Spherical lensing goes a little way to explaining the so called subduction zones and fits in with the Benioff zones. The main point is that Hugo Benioff came up with his zones BEFORE plate tectonics. He died in 1968 when plate tectonics was the new-fangled theory was was being presented and had not taken full hold yet. True the precursor continental drift was taught, but when he made his discovery it had nothing whatsoever to do with subduction, and yet has been commandeered by the plate tectonics/subduction crowd. This theory (lensing) however may have problems with spreading.

As has been said so many times, no one really knows the answers when it comes to Mother Earth. It is perfectly possible that the 'subduction zone' earthquakes are in fact caused by lensing as the Earth cools. Either theory fits the bill, but mainstream has it at present. As with subduction you could also have sticking, none of the current accepted 'results' are negated by this theory - except one - which is slab pull.

Another school of thought says that the core of the earth rotates faster than the crust. Makes sense in a way. This means that the movement of the hot spots, and thus the derived plate movement is actually from the core moving the asthenosphere under the lithosphere and not the other way round. One would then have to query if subduction could take place it the subsurface is moving east?

Somewhere between expanding earth and plate tectonics lies the real answer. Somehow I doubt we will find and accept it in my lifetime. Is tit tectonic surge? Don't know. I have been looking for a long time.

The point of all this is to say that there would not actually be immense pressure if plate tectonics is incorrect, at least not in the directions that you believe it to be.

All figures taken from the USGS Google Earth overlay for plate boundaries.

Here's what I think --> what you have there is a permanent on-going earthquake. Those aren't aftershocks, the huge one was an initial slip of the plate and now it is a slow grind. This is much better than a sudden release of energy, but then again it should be pretty clear how much energy is there with the continuous earthquake that hiccups and moves around. There will be more sudden slips releasing huge amounts of energy, but I don't give it two weeks. I give it till the end of the year. I would say 3-6 months more specifically, for that 80% chance you gave it. watch, two weeks will go by and there probably won't be anything higher than a 7M.

Originally posted by munkey66
reply to post by silent thunder

 

I agree, how long are they meant to evacuate for?

50 or 60 years, Maybe much longer.

I'd be much more worried if I lived in California .......

reply to post by PuterMan


You are thinking of it as a static plate, but in fact, it is a dynamic plate with many pieces that move in many different directions all divied up into zones that make it easier for people to understand. The plates can ripple (pull and compress) in random spots that migrate around the plate, simply because of the scale of the object we are trying to describe. Of course pieces will sometimes go in opposite directions just like the water will flow out the cracks in your hand if you try to catch it. Hydraulic injection is something I think can describe the context, but in this case, it is injection of rock and earth and underlying magma.

reply to post by Anmarie96

Ross Stein of the USGS is focusing his research on the fragment of the Pacific tectonic plate lodged beneath Tokyo – movement of which is believed to have caused a 7.3-magnitude quake in 1855 that killed an estimated 7,000 people. 'We believe the faults which bound the fragment were brought closer to failure by the magnitude 9 earthquake,' Mr Stein said.

And why would that be? Because of pressure loading from adjacent activity. Doesn't take any meditation to see this, it just takes logic.

And it is just logic I am using in this thread, no meditation involved for this part of it.

The "football area" is the same area that I have stated repeatedly that defined its boundaries early on in the sequence and has been filling in the blanks since. And this is common to big mainshock/aftershock sequences. Except Japan has the compounding problem of multiple plate junctures which when subjected to additional stress can rupture on their own- creating a whole new mainshock/aftershock sequence. It has happened already once, check the other thread. But it didn't occur on a subduction zone: in that case it was an inner plate fault that was disturbed and ruptured.

The fear here is that the subduction zone can rupture.

And see, no one wants to answer:
Why are the quakes getting closer and closer to Tokyo? Just by chance? NO. It lies withing the rupture area which was telegraphed early on. Right in the football.

You are about to witness a new meaning to the word "touchdown".

To the OP of this thread,

I can appreciate the concern for the japanese and the Quake/Nuclear Reactor Crisis there. And it's good the world is trying to help them out.

But.

The behavior of playing 'Armchair Hero' over the internet making advance warnings or forwarned knowledge on ATSNN is just getting very old and tired. If you think they are about to get hit by another quake with such proof, why are you posting this on here and just simply directly tell the japanese officials that?

This attitude of "Armchair Heroism" needs to stop. Now. Get off the chair and do something about it. Acting like an official 'Crier of Doom' on here could make one look like a jackass (no offense).

I just hope they don't get by another Quake. But if you have serious proof of it, I recommend you talk to the government directly. Getting support on ATSSN is one thing but they may not look too kindly on websites like this.

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Japan Quake Map

reply to post by Phantomfire707


who the hell comes up with this crap? It will be the 5th day or the 3rd month blah blah blah. It won't happen and I hope this increases your skepticism to a healthy enough level (of these dated non-events) to teach some of your fellow tin foil hatters a lesson on what is worth the bother being paranoid over. Prophecy threads are so damn tiring. None of them ever come true and have hordes of idiots that follow, then get burned, then these same idiots get suckered into one later on, rinse and repeat. I won't even waste my breath saying I told you so in 3 days, but what's the point if you don't get it then, then you are retarded and will never get it. There's a lot of truth hiding around on ats it's just annoying to have it overshadowed by this absolute rubbish.