.22 Rimfire Semi Auto's

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Definitely a consideration, but I feel more comfortable with a military style rifle, as this was the first type of rifle i shot.

It would only be for use on private land, where I'm well known to all the surrounding tenants. Naturally I'd also be letting the local Police know when I'd be out shooting too.

@ the person wondering about storage in the home for weapons in the UK. As far as I'm aware, as long as you meet the criteria for proper storage, it's fine. I've stored shotguns legally in my own home for years..

reply to post by Highlandlad


You should ashame of yourself.
Do you whant to go hunting with a semi-auto rifle??? Have you ever heard about hunting ethic?
I actually don´t know laws in your country, but as in UK there is a well established hunting tradition I would guess that is forbidden: if it is not for case any colleague hunter you will meet will speet in front of your boots if he see you using a semi-auto rifle for hunting. You are not in the USA that has no hunting cultural background: remember hunting is a privilege, so hunters have to deserve to be that.
I suppose you will fail your hunting test if you won´t deeply modify your mentality. Anyhow hunting courses exist also for that, to let dudes have a possibility to lear hunting culture too.

Now, about the .22 LR.
I have one, I just use it for sessions at shooting center to keep myself in training (responsibility while hunting, to kill with one shot to avoid pain to my prey). I tested it on a roe deer head fawn I shooted with a 7 x 64 mm: ,22 bullets didn´t penetrate the bones of the scull: I was 5 meter away and I tried from more direction with different bullets (Stingers, Yellow Jackets, stb) and no result at all. I think you can´t use for such "big prey". May be can be used for foxes: also in this case the death won´t be immediate and the animal will suffer.
It is for that not ethic and you should avoid it to call yourself hunter.

So you should use also for foxes at least a 6,5 mm.
Hunting ethics (consequentially laws) in europe prescribe shoutguns for rabbits, with lead balls of #4 to #6 measure depending on season and kind.

There are twa sayings about .22 LR.
"If you shot someone with .22 LR and you are not so lucky to kill him in one shot, that man will come to punch you".
"If I shold say if I prefer to be shot by a .22 or a .45 I would say I prefer not to be shot"

reply to post by nuspy


.22 caliber is one of the most common calibres for pest control of rabbits in the UK. Shotguns are also used for the purpose. Please don't try and school me about 'hunting ethics' I've lived in the highlands all my life and have been hunting game since I was a teenager.

One loud bang from a shotgun = 1 x rabbit. 1 x 25 capacity magazine firing through a noise suppressed semi-auto .22 rifle = many bunnies bagged

reply to post by Highlandlad


It is just for that such war firearms are not ethic: if you shot with a bolt action carabine, you shot one, and while you manually recharge your weapon other rabbits will run away, having at least one possibility to survive to you.
If you use a semi auto you will shot down each after other the family (depending on your shooting capability).
In case you use a noise reductor that I suppose is forbidden, that can be even easier while they won´t neither start to run away.

Other hunter colleagues of you there what use?

if you can get 22wmr- it is way more powererful than the 22lr
if you are waitng for shtf scenario buy one with a composite stock and stainless barrel and make sure it uses magaines- not hand fed
makes for faster reloading

www.ruger.com... do i need to say more?not sure about the uk but for a wish list www.thecountryshed.com... happy plunking if not sold on the 10/22 this should help hunting.about.com...

The Remington Model 510 Targetmaster is the best 22 rifle I have ever shot. They are single shot bolt actions and were made from the 30's until the 60's and I cannot imagine any semi auto rifle could come close to the accuracy of this gun. Many are going for around a hundred and fifty dollar range in gun shops.

reply to post by Highlandlad


Rabbits do not travel in herds. You do not need a semi auto to gun them down en mass. Also if we are talking about cotton tail rabbits, they will return to the place you spooked them at. Sit down, be quiet and observant, and they will come back.

reply to post by Highlandlad


Yes. Just get a Ruger 1022 and be done with it. Problem solved.

www.ruger.com...

Originally posted by smokeythabear
reply to post by Highlandlad

 

Well for small game a .22 should be ok but haha if the S were to HTF, don't expect to drop something any bigger than a big dog with 1 bullet. I would recommend a slightly larger caliber.

Don't worry. If you hit a human sized scumbag with just one .22 JHP in the chest area, it will be sure to ruin their day. I wouldn't go bear hunting with a .22, though. I agree with the rest: Ruger 10/22. You can't go wrong with that.

Im starting to think, with the repetition and intensity of the .22 as a TSHF caliber of choice , that its a bit of dis info.


Stake your life on that minuscule bullet? no

There are no ethics as far as what you use to harvest an animal, only how you do it. It should be a clean,i.e. fast and painless kill.


But you have person after person espouse the .22 on every forum.


"It can kill a man, if you know where to shoot" Are you going to shoot him while hes sleeping? Because hitting a moving target is quite difficult.

"I can kill a deer with a .22" If TSHTF, everyone and their mother is going to be hunting, the game will be spooked and difficult to harvest. How are you going to get a clean kill on a spooked animal? Your not.

Im sure TPTB love nothing more than the idea of meeting up with the survivor of a catastrophe, and he or she only possessing .22

Get a shotgun, the .22 is a toy.

Originally posted by Bluesquid
Im starting to think, with the repetition and intensity of the .22 as a TSHF caliber of choice , that its a bit of dis info.

For a "survival rifle" here's something you can throw in your backpack:

www.henryrepeating.com...

reply to post by Bluesquid


It is a light weight gun. Weight has a lot lot do in those scenarios.

I wouldn't be using it for hunting big game, it would suffice for self defense. Though you think a .22LR isn't that great of a round I would think otherwise. It is sufficient for self defense, though a shotgun is a great round weapon too and great for self defense, but trying to kill big game would be difficult since in my area there really isn't any. It really depends on your area of living.

There is only mostly small game where I live, and using a shotgun would ruin my meal, to much power for anything to be left to eat really. I would stick to trapping, if i trap enough to farm enough wild animals, then I wont have to rely on hunting small game all the time. It would take time, but i would see no better way of investing my time in those situations.

I live in a desert by the way and running to higher ground isn't that far from here, but desert warfare can be pretty brutal, especially in 100+ degree weather. The biggest animals out here are coyotes and a .22LR is perfect for that animal, otherwise rabbits and quail are it.

reply to post by MJZoo


I would like to have a 10/22 myself, or two of them, or two Charter Arms AR-7's.

reply to post by Highlandlad


That sig cant be legal in the uk surely? Is it semi auto?

Here's what I have... Mossberg 802 Plinkster

Cheap, very reliable and a lot of fun to shoot. I found this .22lr to be extremely accurate with shot clusters of less than 2" at 100 yds with the scope. Love it!

The .22LR is an erxcellent beginner round in many ways. The ammo is cheap and once you get expert with that round ( by shooting alot cheaply) your knowledge can translate to larger rounds.The .22 will force you to accuracy for the kill shot on rabbits and is a perfect weapon to fine tune all your shooting skills.
Remember, ask any seasoned assasine and there round of choice is without a dought the trusted .22Lr.
Get the .22 and have a blast plinking( damm varmits).

Being the owner of 2 Ruger 10/22 rifles I can say with experience you can't go wrong with that choice at all.

They are reasonably priced, easy to customize if you want, MANY, MANY after market parts for them, accurate,
reliable & cheap to shoot.

As for using it for self defense...... Sure it's not the ideal caliber for stopping aggressive "medium size animals"
but during a SHTF scenario you shouldn't be engaging hostile troops anyways if you want to live long.
If a few scavengers find their way near your camp and intends to do harm I think a couple of .22 rounds to the face would take the fight out of most "animals". If they didn't expire they sure would think again about what their doing.

If ammo isn't hard to get there I prefer the CCI Stingers. They are high velocity and really zoom.

The Aquila SSS (sniper sub sonic) rounds are 62 gr, bullets and are a lot heavier. They drop faster if your shooting longer distances but up close they pack a wallop and have more penetration. If your going to shoot a larger animal at say 50 yards or less those would do well. They got 12" of penetration in ballistic geletan with those rounds. They will cycle fine in a 10/22 & a Ruger 22/45 I know from experience. and with a suppressor they are VERY, VERY quiet.

Eat what you kill, kill what you eat. A .22 is an easily acceptable weapon system to hunt or defend. I don't care who you are, a .22 in the hands of fairly good shooter can prove to make an amateur a marksman. Cheaper ammo makes for a more cost effective plinking and practice. This is also some food for thought, whether its a .22 or a .50, if it's pointed at your face, it is going to get your attention.

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
To those who are debating the effectiveness of a 22 rifle against a human, let me throw in my $.02, since I have seen 1st hand what one of these weapons can do. I used to work in ER in another life, and saw more than my share of these wounds. One was a 90 year old woman who had been shot in the head with a .22 during burglary. She was appeared to be unhurt, other than a small entry room on her forehead near the hair line.
We did a skull series to see what damage was done. The bullet shattered leaving bits of lead approximately the size of a grain of sand under her scalp.
A fourteen year old was not so lucky. He and a buddy were target shooting. They got careless and one was hit in right mid clavicular line. The .22 caliber bullet is fairly high volacity and tends to take the path of least resistance. After it bounced around in his chest, perforated his stomach and several loops of intestine, it exited about one inch above his left illiac crest. He lived because of a good surgeon and good nurses, but ended up addicted to pain meds.
Don't underestimate what a small caliber weapon can do. The damage done to the fourteen year old was done by ONE bullet. If I was being threatened, I would be intentionally aiming for center mass, which means the odds of hitting a major artery or two, or even hitting the heart, would go up tremedously.
I don't advocate using a small caliber for self defense, but I would if I had to.

I agree.. And statistically more people have died from a .22 than any other caliber, and they are usually pistols.. The round is commin out of a rifle at 300-500 fps faster depending. A .22 isn't the best choice to "stop" somebody but it will still definitely kill. Regan almost died from a lung shot, and this was after the round bounced off the top of the car door first.. And mr brady gun grabber was hit in the head once and paralyzed.


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