The Ox-Files: 'Mass cow sacrifices by aliens' sent White House into panic, FBI records reveal

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In the OP link there's a related FBI document detailing 3 saucers & ETs.

Tbh however nobody will believe something like that as evidence, even straight from the government, even with unexplainable Great Pyramids, crop circles & a thousand other things (see my topic here www.abovetopsecret.com...)

Most probably won't believe in aliens until they visually see one. We are a visual, shallow species and require that. But even then I somehow feel people will walk up to the alien to try and pull off their 'mask', lmao.

Originally posted by TheLegend
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In the OP link there's a related FBI document detailing 3 saucers & ETs.

Tbh however nobody will believe something like that as evidence, even straight from the government,

Some people did believe it and it was published by several newspapers here in England in the last week.

Most (but not all) people, however, that have read my thread about that memo seem to have accepted the views I expressed about it:
"Debunked! The FBI alien bodies memo – A case study in the reinvention of the wheel"

All the best,

Isaac

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by TheLegend
reply to post by KrypticCriminal

 

In the OP link there's a related FBI document detailing 3 saucers & ETs.

Tbh however nobody will believe something like that as evidence, even straight from the government,

Some people did believe it and it was published by several newspapers here in England in the last week.

Most (but not all) people, however, that have read my thread about that memo seem to have accepted the views I expressed about it:
"Debunked! The FBI alien bodies memo – A case study in the reinvention of the wheel"

All the best,

Isaac

Thanks you saved me a lot of trouble.

Its certainly is'nt proof of anything unfortunatley, but keep looking and you might get lucky. The great pyramids and crop circles are entirely different subjects and have nothing to do with the vault.

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What a #(@$ing long reading, but was really nice.

I knew it wasn't a new memo but didn't know there's a possible ulterior history behind it.

Why would the FBI put this on their website then if it's a hoax? Why don't they also have Santa Claus or Easter Bunny memos too if they have aliens that are all hoaxes (paraphrasing a question asked in that topic)?

That's a good question. I think even if the memo is fake they are trying to use it to draw attention to something truthful in reality (e.g. that flying saucers & aliens do exist--though not necessarily in the scenario described in the memo).

When I was way younger I rammed into a cement light fixture in a parking lot with the vehicle and called my parents saying someone rammed into me. Regardless of my story however it didn't change the fact the vehicle was damaged.

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I mentioned those & linked what I did just to show that people won't accept anything as evidence until they see an alien up close and touch one.

Which essentially makes this entire forum pointless.

Originally posted by TheLegend
This is silly. So many whine for government disclosure and when they began the process then it's another conspiracy?

Make up your minds. This is just the precursor to a disclosure. It's called the desensitization process....

The FBI is the not first. In the last 3 years many countries have been releasing classified documents on UFOs/ETs.

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While it's true that other countries have done so, they've also announced per se that they were doing so. I can't pretend to know what the FBI had in mind; obviously there are a number of different views on that, judging from this thread alone. But I suspect that they had many a brainstorming session, considered most of the views that have been expressed, took into account what the predominant effects would most likely be, and decided that it was more to their advantage than not to make this database easily accessed. The one thing I don't believe is that it was for our convenience and the good of the country.

If nothing else, think of the data-mining advantages (from the FBI's point of view). They can easily gather information on who's searching, what their interests are, how they digest and distribute the information--and etc., ad nauseum. This is *not* for "us," no matter how you slice it....

Originally posted by TheLegend
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I mentioned those & linked what I did just to show that people won't accept anything as evidence until they see an alien up close and touch one.

Which essentially makes this entire forum pointless.

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In most cases thats very true my friend, but the reason they get away with it is because what is brought to the table is'nt evidence for the best part. Its second hand witness testimony the an FBI agent over heard someone say and filed a report. Or its a light in the sky that can hardly be seen because the cameras all shakey and out of focus. Then theres the hoaxer who make the sceptics job easier because they then assume everything is a hoax.

The true cases are the ones that leave sceptics and believers a like stunned, and any excuse a sceptic can come up with sounds more far fetched than the incident itself.

Thats what draws you back to forrums like these. The possability that one day this case will come along and you can watch them squerm. Besides theres plenty of other subjects on here to get stuck in to other than aliens and ufo's. Branch out a bit you might enjoy some of them.

Originally posted by Toadmund
If the alien abduction/mutilation thing is true, then why did they (the aliens) even bother to dump the bodies back from whence they came?
One would think they would just get rid of the evidence, unless of course somebody or something wanted this to be an issue.

Why the sex organs and the tongue?
Maybe the aliens are a tad perverted?
Did they use the 'probe' at all?

why would the aliens keep the bodies ?? why keep trash when there is a dump right here ?? and why would aliens care if someone saw it or not ..its not like someone could do something about it..

Originally posted by Tharsis
First off, LOL @ "Cattle Star Galactica".

Second, these organs are often eaten by predators, nothing new about that.

An off-gassing carcass can easily expand enough to tear sinew and flesh--giving the appearance of "laser surgery".

I'm sure an abundant food source caused an outbreak of predators, I've seen food surges cause amazing population explosions in certain animals. Birds, coyotes, even caterpillars.

Then again, maybe aliens were intelligent enough to get their mutilation quota filled before the electronic revolution ushered in scores of camera-wielding skywatchers.

No proof, no alien.

I may have been led to water, but I ain't gonna drink.

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sure the appearance of laser precision and blood completely drained..plus some of these cow bodies are found in trees.or power lines..I am sure that a predator can do that and give no evidence it was there...

More disinfo. Aliens do not "sacrifice" animals. This is another attempt at making the subject of aliens look more ridiculous.

In trees and power lines, for real? Do you have any links to these cases that you can share? That is absolutely bizarre and though not beyond the capabilities of Drunk Rednecks or Satanists or whatever they normally attribute these cases to, but certainly would require some effort and would, I think, substantially increase the chances of being caught for the time and effort and additional evidence (such as tractor tracks or whatever they use to haul them into place - that's certainly going to take more than a few "Bubbas" and a rope!) that moving such heavy carcasses into these locations would entail.

I'd think that if Aliens (in as much as we think that we could come anywhere remotely close to understanding an honest to goodness alien species' thought processes, official guidelines they may have to follow for off world research, and so on) really wanted to hide evidence that they would very easily just zap the remains with whatever handy dandy death ray they presumably have.

Or eject it into space in the path of the Space Shuttle (when we had those), ISS, or even dump it on the wing of an Jetliner to observe the startled reactions of humans and to get a kick from whatever ridiculous cover story TPTB would create to explain it. :-) Otherwise, I still think it's probably the EBE version of PC - take the parts they need for research (or sustenance, etc) and deliver the meat back to the hungry carnivore primitives for consumption so they won't get peeved that their food has been taken*.

Afterall, *we* kill those animals, so the EBE's probably assume that we don't object to the cow deaths in principle (vegan and animal rights arguments excepted for the moment). And as we don't typically use the blood, sex organs, or eyes for anything then we presumably wouldn't care about the EBE's taking those either. But mess with our Big Macs and we could get all Ape #e on them when and if they ever try to make contact with us (theories that they are in collusion with the Government and everything excepted for the moment)! :-)


NOTE: Apologies Guys as I get wayyyy off track here. Call it New Kid Fever or what have you - I got on a roll of theorizing and realizing how many questions I have, coupled with the excitement of finding a place where I can actually discuss these topics with adults intelligently and not getting looks like I've gone insane and spouting gibberish! :-) I am still finding my way around here and promise to break this up and post the ?'s and ideas in more appropriate places as soon as I locate them (and of course any suggestions/directng from those of you who have been here awhile = always welcome!), but for now it was more important to me to get them out here so I didn't forget them, etc. With that disclaimer, here's my excited chatter! :-)

And going back to my question about any reports of mutilations in areas where cows are sacred/not killed, specifically the culture in Africa that uses the cow blood as a protein drink, then I wonder *if* there are cases *if* the blood is left in the carcass in these instances. Again, I know it sounds goofy *but* if we can find any differences in the condition of the "returned" corpses that indicates a possible recognition of the local area's methods and practices for how the animals are used, then I would be astounded! Or maybe it's just a strong sign that the humans are the perps and simply applying their own cultural norms on the cases.

Completely off topic, but that just jarred some memory of seeing pics of a dead cow in a tree and another cow, or possibly a deer, jammed in the support beams under a bridge or over pass or something. In this instance, these poor creatures were the victims of a flood as opposed to Aliens (or drunk rednecks). I seem to recall that getting them down was proving to be a logistical nightmare and not sure what the outcome was.


One thing I also forgot to ask - does anyone know or have any sites I could refer to - Interested in seeing if the farmers that have experienced a mutilation event, do they have any sort of insurance or other manner to replace the dead creature's financial worth? I'd be interested to see if an insurance policy exists, what the conditions are that allow a claim to be made. Obviously if the conditions typical of most mutilations assure an Insurance pay out, then suspicion would fall right on the farmer. If not, or if the claims would be valid only under other conditions, then I think it'd be a logical to eliminate the Farmer for any potential involvement. I'm sure someone must have looked into these sorts of things and curious of the findings.


And since I've gone back off the Vault topic again, (apologies!) I better ask - is this a serious offense here or just frowned upon? I admit that I easily get off topic on many boards anytime some fascinating anecdote or other timey wimey wacky factoid gets mentioned in passing but completely enthralls me!. :-) And to get the most bang for the off topic buck - does anyone have any sites or other links that they recommend for details and analysis on Cattle Mutilations?

Oh yeah, any info/links on the ultra-disturbing Human Mutilations (just found out about these a week or two ago and though I've googled it, I can't see find anything bar one case in Brazil, and that was attributed to drug cartels and didn't match up with the check list for a typical cattle mutilation.

And on that note (and apologies again for off topic - if there is a sort of "Newbie Questions and Answers" thread where Seasoned Vets of ATS welcome and try to answer Newbie Questions or direct them to places where they may find what they are interested in, the PLEASE let me know and I'll move this post there and will stop posting my dork Newbie posts (which are driven solely by the excitement-at-finding-people-to-discuss-this-stuff-with!, so please don't rip me to shreds until I find my feet and way around here!). :-)

Anyway, back to my off topic topic question - and please understand I find it incredibly disturbing - we're talking stay wake at night disturbing - some of the reports I've read during my crash course intro into this stuff - indicate that in many (I think the actual word used was "most") ships that have crashed and recovered** by the Military, that there have been human remains found in such a manner as to suggest that they were stored on the ships (as opposed to simply being pilots or even abductees). This utterly and completely freaked me out more than everything else that I've read combined.

It's highly disturbing to think that "They" reportedly view us as too primitive to qualify for any potential Universal Intelligent Being Rights, that we are mere lab rats to experiment on (possibly with the blessing of own Government!) and/or that we are viewed as a natural resource and even as a menu item for their culinary practices and/or dietary needs. This is absolutely freaky, sick feeling in my stomach-level stuff. So please, if anyone has any knowledge of this, recommendations or referrals to where this topic is described and refuted, confirmed, etc please please let me know. It's bothering me, to the point that this topic which used to be intriguing and fun, and recently turned into "Wow, I just realized that I actually do believe this" to "Wow...now I see why TPTB absolutely won't disclose this" and keep people from the knowledge. I'm sure I'll come to terms with it - whatever the consensus - eventually, but for now I just want to know as much about as I can find.

Thanks in advance for anyone with recommendations!).




*Assuming they have a reason for caring (or pretending to care) whether we'd get upset or not - tho much of what I've recently immersed myself into gives the unnerving impression that the majority of aliens don't give a squat about us, but I welcome anyone who wants to correct that impression and/or offer alternatives! :-) Again, I'm fairly new to ATS and believing Aliens are real and here already, so forgive me for any embarrassing ATS Faux Pas that I might make! :-)

**This may be a really silly question that may have been debated and written off long ago, but I can't seem to find anything on it. So this question is - is it just me that thinks there's been a ridiculously large number of supposed crashes of EBE Craft? I see reports like "In the 3 years of such and such period, 16 craft were retrieved by the US Military". I mean these creatures can build ships that traverse space and perform incredible feats - so why does such advanced technology seem so incredibly unreliable?
As such, I'm guessing (tho it's an odd omission not to report it) that maybe we are capable of firing on these ships and bringing them down (I understand why they claim they do it, but isn't anyone worried that we're quite possibly shooting down friendly aliens that may be here on truly peaceful, diplomatic,exploration-driven visits?). Since it's also reported that pilots often encounter malfunctioning weapon controls and whatnot, and that the craft simply out maneuver us, then even if we can bring them down it would presumably be a small percentage of them. So why so many crashes? It's such a high number that it's suspicious to me. And I'd think it would indicate one or more of the following:
1. The number of advanced alien crafts that crash on our planet only seems like a high number because there are so many of them that come here (disturbing)
2. The number of crashes indicates that there are unusual and unique anomalies on Earth that the Aliens simply aren't prepared to encounter that leads to malfunctioning ships. (A bit hard to swallow - if they've been coming here for the vast time periods that evidence dictates, then surely they'd have either figured out how to deal with our Planet's unique properties, or would have put some sort of travel embargo on our world as being too risky?)
3. Is it speculated it is part of the Aliens' overall plan to seed our planet with technology in such a way that it appears to us that we retrieved the crashed ships and reverse engineered it all on our own? (hard to swallow as well, but possible since we are dealing with aliens and their presumably equally alien logic)
4. The creatures that travel here and perform abductions and research and whatnot are a bio-engineered species - and the true Aliens that remain at home or only visit our world infrequently simply have little regard for their servants/slaves. (Possible given other reports that they view humans in a similar manner and possibly lack emotions as we think of them completely. I would still think they would be worried that we are getting access to so many examples of their technology. So either they underestimate human reverse engineering ability, the craft that actually come to our planet is NOT representative of any technology they consider worth protecting (ie the servant class fly small saucers from orbiting larger ships and thus aren't representative of any technology that the care about us having) or they simply don't care).
5. Given the number of crashed vehicles multiplied by the number of years they have been visiting our world would add up to a ridiculously huge number of crashed craft. Perhaps they usually "clean up" after such an incident and simply considered humans as far too primitive for any retrievals to matter (which makes sense as it's probably only the past 75 years or so that we'd even remotely have the intelligence and skill to gain any useful knowledge from any crashed vehicles? Have there been any reports of archeological finds of that would indicate advanced tech? Or perhaps the crashes are a *recent* phenomenon, indicating we may have developed technology that we can use against them and/or that our technology somehow interferes adversely with their craft? I have to admit that the idea of archeological digs uncovering an ancient saucer crash are very titillating (can we say Fan Boy Wet Dream Movie Storyline? Or rehash of Quatermass/StarGate - forgot about those! ).

In any event, I'm curious to see if anyone else thinks the sheer number of supposed crash/retrievals seems fishy to anyone but me. Or perhaps I've stumbled upon my first Conspiracy Theory??? How exciting!!! LOL!!! :-)

I just have an issue with the idea that aliens would "sacrifice" thousands of cows. Sacrifice is a religious term. Maybe they study the cows. But cow mutilations are one of the most exaggerated UFO topics. Why would aliens kill thousands of cows? they don't need that many to study the species. And I know aliens would not murder humans. But the media is intent on promoting the "evil sadistic alien" myth.

Originally posted by Tharsis
First off, LOL @ "Cattle Star Galactica".

Second, these organs are often eaten by predators, nothing new about that.

An off-gassing carcass can easily expand enough to tear sinew and flesh--giving the appearance of "laser surgery".

I'm sure an abundant food source caused an outbreak of predators, I've seen food surges cause amazing population explosions in certain animals. Birds, coyotes, even caterpillars.

Then again, maybe aliens were intelligent enough to get their mutilation quota filled before the electronic revolution ushered in scores of camera-wielding skywatchers.

No proof, no alien.

I may have been led to water, but I ain't gonna drink.

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Respectfully, it is incorrect that predators will necessarily eat the remains of animals that have been mutilated. I know this because in 1986, there were a dog (that I now know was most likely a Rhodesian Ridgeback) and a goat on the highway easement out by UTSA. Both animals had the appearance of being cut by something unconventional- possibly a laser; as if cauterized. I say this because many animals will scar black, and where they were cut looked like it had healed (impossible, under the circumstances). The dog- which had a snarling expression with barred teeth, had been split like a taco from it's throat to it's tail, but except for it's head and legs (skeleton?), it was completely flat. Like it was "empty". There was no blood anywhere near it. There were no flies, no worms, no ants. There was no bloating. Three weeks later, when I took someone out there to find out what they thought, it hadn't decomposed any further. Wildlife Rescue and Rehab were supposed to go out there, too- but I didn't follow up.

The second animal, which was about a quarter of a mile away and on the same side of the highway (1604) appeared to have been totally cut off just at or below the ribcage. Same black scar. It looked like it had been there longer because it had rained a couple of weeks before and it's fur looked like it had gotten wet and muddy and dried stiff. Again, no insects and nothing had changed 3 weeks later.

At the time, yeah, aliens came up in the conversations, but we also talked about medical research or someone connected to that who'd been "freelancing". Regardless, I, nor the people I rode bikes with out there, never went back. (I was so freaked out, I sold my dirtbike)
Don't discount this if you've never actually seen it. It is something you will never, ever forget.

Originally posted by primetime2123
sure the appearance of laser precision and blood completely drained..plus some of these cow bodies are found in trees.or power lines..I am sure that a predator can do that and give no evidence it was there...

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You said it yourself. "Appearance".

If you are saying that mere observation is all it takes to "prove" that these incisions are in fact produced by laser, then I have a bridge to sell you.

People really need to define, for themselves, what "proof" actually means. Otherwise we get watered down responses like these that use an "appearance" to declare "proof" with no actual substantiation.

No offense, primetime, I'm sure you do believe cattle are mutilated by interstellar travelers--but for your own benefit, be diligent. This goes for everyone who feels embattled by my opinions, if someone challenges your reality--prove it to yourself. This isn't religion, it shouldn't be founded upon faith.

Good luck!

If an alien race had the ability to travel multiple light years , why would they need to cut up a poor cow ? If an alien race had the tech level required to travel the vastness of space is it not a bit foolish to think they would need to cut up a cow ? There acquired level of tech knowledge would have provided them far more answers then some cow parts .

This is not alien , this is something else .

Now , why is the alien card hinted at ? IMHO it comes back to dis-info . But to what end ? Sadly at this point , I do not know .

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Yes, you're absolutely right. A highly advanced extraterrestrial species bent the time space continuum and came to our planet for one reason and one reason only..... to disfigure and mutilate cattle.
Brilliant!

Originally posted by Max_TO
Source

Cows were sacrificed by aliens sending the White House into a panic declassified FBI files have revealed. It is claimed that more than 8,000 cows were abducted by UFOs before they were mutilated and thrown back down to earth over the southern United States during the 1970s. The memo is one of thousands of previously unreleased classified files that the bureau has made public in a new online resource called The Vault.

Anyone else get the feeling that these FBI files aka , the vault , is nothing more then a whole lot of dis-info ?

WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE CLAIMING EVERYTHING IS DIS-INFO?! God dammit I'm tired of all that crap! It's not disINFO, it's disCLOSURE.

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Have you checked out Linda Moulton Howes work or read her book called An Alien Harvest published in 1989, she has been investigating cattle, horse, dog and cat mutilations for the past 30 years.

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www.earthfiles.com...

I also have a friend Ted Oliphant who investigated cattle mutilations in Fyffe, Alabama. He in fact moved to the area for a couple of years and while there joined the Sheriffs department.

www.topix.com...

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Anyone else get the feeling that these FBI files aka , the vault , is nothing more then a whole lot of dis-info ?

Especially this one! Government agents obviously were looking for Mad Cow disease prions - and blamed aliens to cover up the epidemic and protect the cattle industry.

It's a no-brainer.