Aliens, B.C.

reply to post by sensfan


That explanation for the carvings in the link is weak.

[from the link] and on many UFO-minded websites almost looks like it's bronze or copper.

"Almost looks like" ? That's their evidence?
Well then I say it "almost looks" like an array of aerial vehicles.

And as far as Egyptologists go with the "it was carved over, the Egyptians were stupid and didn't have stone elsewhere to write on" I think we can rule out anything they say because they're the most mainstream, status quo kind of people there are and perpetuate earlier, ill-advised findings.
They still think the ancient Egyptians used torches to light the insides of the pyramids but when no soot or smoke residue was discovered anywhere within they then said it must be from a series of strategically placed mirrors... but then an engineer team discovered that that theory can only last for 5 turns in the pyramid and thus was not their method for lighting the interior (which has dozens of turns).

So what do egyptiologists do? They ignore it and move on. Most awful, lazy profession on the planet.

Want to know how the Egyptians did it? They left a clear indication of it here: www.thereviewchimp.com...
& here: ancientx.com...

They weren't as stupid as we make them out to be, after all they built structures lasting 10k years (depending on your source).

But them using electricity is too 'out there' so instead egyptologists said "that must be a lotus flower and the snake coming from it is the smell it makes"....

reply to post by Grimalkin


I say "almost" to tread lightly. And I say "religious" because it takes so little in the way of evidence to convince most of the believers.


One striking resemblance is that both emphaticly claim esoteric knowledge and tell people to "open your eyes!".

Originally posted by TheLegend
They still think the ancient Egyptians used torches to light the insides of the pyramids but when no soot or smoke residue was discovered anywhere within they then said it must be from a series of strategically placed mirrors... but then an engineer team discovered that that theory can only last for 5 turns in the pyramid and thus was not their method for lighting the interior (which has dozens of turns).

So what do egyptiologists do? They ignore it and move on. Most awful, lazy profession on the planet.

Want to know how the Egyptians did it? They left a clear indication of it here: www.thereviewchimp.com...
& here: ancientx.com...

edit on 18-4-2011 by TheLegend because: (no reason given)

They left record of their technology yet it will always be ignored for disrupting status quo (these artificial lights aren't all). There were either earlier humans on this planet that were far more advanced than we believe and destroyed themselves or they were just a previous experiment by higher intellect beings and were removed from the world by them.

People that built these magnificent, astronomically and impossibly mathematical (used the Pythagorean Theorem and Pi which weren't supposedly known yet) precise pyramids I do not believe viewed the sun as a "god". Facts are they built these pyramids which statisticians, mathematicians and engineers scratch their heads at but with what they wrote it's too ambiguous and I wouldn't believe ANY Egyptologists's explanation for hieroglyphs.

Use your OWN eyes, look at them, what do those 2 pictures above look like? What does that Abydos picture look like?.... Many think recorded in stone is primitive but it's a far longer lasting record than writing in paper.

Most awful, lazy profession on the planet.

1000x yes. A statistician professor I once had was an aspiring Egyptologist but recanted the dream when he met with a few of them in the Valley of Kings and all they were doing was reading other people's earlier works and drawing conclusions from that. Anything else they would not accept. Nowadays It's a lazy man's profession with a nice view.

Almost everything in this world can be likened to a 'religion'. Also, science is very religiouslike. They have their beliefs and hold fast to that. They claim they use evidence to prove their claims, but this evidence is dictated by them and must conform to their doctrines. Science is a belief and evidence is a belief,

reply to post by TheLegend


Remind me why Egyptians needed to light the interior of the pyramids? The sarcophagi are larger than the entrances and exits so were put in during construction. Beyond that the only people who needed to be in there are those who closed the trapdoors from the inside for which purpose a single hand carried torch would be used.

reply to post by Welfhard

Good point! Can I add that to another post in the future? How considerate of you to tread lightly when you'll probably get your face kicked in at a later date. That seems to be the way things are going around here lately.
I'm appalled at the bad attitudes from closed minds. Does bad attitudes come from closed minds or the reverse?

reply to post by Welfhard

There's no soot anywhere withing the Great Pyramids from torches and flames.

As far as thinking this... www.gizapyramid.com...
Was constructed without using any light is pretty absurd.

That's why it's a mystery still that archaeologists are trying to figure out. The logical conclusion is electricity/artificial light but that would disrupt the mainstream view of history.

Personally, I don't see how electricity is that hard to fathom when these people constructed what they did using mathematical formulas that weren't rediscovered for thousands of years and astronomical principles that weren't rediscovered until Kepler.

It's almost funny.

reply to post by taoistguy

Excellent observation! When one takes a course in philosophy, the teacher loves to point out all the evidence against everything you believe to be real, even empirical evidence. This is where "consensus reality" comes into play; i.e. it may not be true, right or real, but everybody acts on it, so you may as well believe it. Things get even more sticky in quantum mechanics, or "so I've been told". LOL

reply to post by LosLobos


What makes you think they have? It is just a lot more hidden and the modes of travel are sometimes different. What if some are still here? What if some have been here longer than us?

reply to post by Warpthal

These skeptcis should realize there's a lot of evidience thats actually real and not a hoax. Aliens are real, and they're not a new topic.

I would agree with your first sentence to a point. I believe there is much evidence that paints history in a different light than what we have been conditioned to believe. As to your second statement. Aliens very well could be real. But are they only aliens to us? And maybe not so alien to the earth? It's something to at least consider.

I think too many posters believe too strongly one way or the other. I look at these images and think "that sure looks like a UFO or an alien to me" but, as I can't say for sure if that's what they were real trying to convey, I won't come to a certainty.

When looking at things like this and all the UFO videos out there, I find it easier to express my opinion as a percentage.

The "ancient alien" carvings and rock paintings the OP presented are great examples of something I would put a high percentage on. I won't rate individual ones, but as a whole I'd put them at 80% plausible.

Only things that have been unequivocally proven to be hoaxes (IE: people getting caught on film faking it) get a 0% and nothing shy of a UFO landing in front of me with little green (or whatever) coming out of it gets a 100%. There is a massive grey area between those bookends.

Look at things objectively and form a percentage of your own. Stop with the absolutes, it makes "truthers" and "debunkers" look equally stupid and hurts intelligent discourse.

reply to post by MasonicFantom

There's no soot anywhere withing the Great Pyramids from torches and flames.

How much soot do you expect a single torch of a few workers sealing the pyramid for a short while make? You get soot for extended burning of stationary flames.

As far as thinking this... www.gizapyramid.com... Was constructed without using any light is pretty absurd.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the pyramids be made from the ground up, so that at any stage, the insides exposed would be lit by the sun.

reply to post by Chindogu


Good post, agreed.

People go into discussions with their minds already made up. They lack critical thinking skills.

I often see people argue instead of accepting facts too just because they don't want to admit they're wrong. This is not good.

Originally posted by TheLegend
It resembles the fish however here's a model of a flying fish from the same time & region in Peru. You'll notice it has eyes, mouth, scales and minute details that only a fish would have etc. www.ceticismoaberto.com...

The "airplanes" also have eyes and mouth, but I confess that I have no idea if there are any flying fish in the area and what they look like, I only think those small gold objects look like flying fishes.

All of the models & experiments done with these things were done perfectly to scale. If the image looks slightly off compared to the other than it's because the angle or contrast.

No, it's not, I am used to compare images, accounting for the perspective, etc., and I know what to compare to see if things are the same or not. Having had technical drawing classes helps in situations like this.

Originally posted by TheLegend
I think "angels" and "demons" were derived from primitive man's encounters with extraterrestrials & they meant the words in the same sense as we would say "bad aliens" and "good aliens". Even being an angel by definition means extraterrestrial (not of this Earth).

How can we know that it's not the opposite, that modern people call them extraterrestrials because they think that the ones who called them "angels" and "demons" were too primitive?

How can we know which (if any) of those two possibilities is the real one?

Angels in the old scriptures used telepathy, teleportation, had physical bodies, had sex with humans making hybrids ('demigods'), and were blond haired & blue eyed (like Aryans).

Blond with blue eyes? I don't remember any reference to that (but I haven't read much about it either), could you please point to one reference? Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by renegadeloser
Are you kidding me with this, I mean really. I understand what you're saying, but come on. I mean just look at it, the one is just too obviously a helicopter.

Why, do helicopters have a large hole in the middle, just below the rotor?

I think that you just have the preconceived notion that all things have a "reasonable explanation", and that belief colors your every perception.

All things do have a reasonable explanation, in most cases we just don't know what that explanation may be.

You filter all incoming data through that context of "this can't really be something out of the ordinary, because I already know how the world works, and the basic history of what has happened".

No, I don't filter any thing before I analyse it. Then I classify it according to the type of explanation I find the most likely to be the right one.

It basically comes down to a fear of the unknown. For somepeople it's way to scary of a notion to think that they could have been wrong about so much, and that they know only very little.

No, no such fears here, and being a programmer I am used to be proven wrong by my own work.

Originally posted by TheLegend
The image here www.timstouse.com...
Is merely those above, but with enhancements to see it better (e.g. lighting & contrast fixes). Lol.

And some image manipulation to make it look better.

reply to post by iamhobo


The other images, if we ignore the ones that look like fakes, do not show, in my opinion, anything related to Aliens.

Mystery Of Pyramid Construction Solved!!

The Egyptians used those huge helicopters to lift them stone blocks!! QED! Case Closed!

reply to post by TheLegend
Great first posts. The fact that some of these lasted so long is amazing. Also that they look a lot like the ones seen today. I noticed one was droping little orbs, the way many recent sightings are today. The only thing is the last time they showed up like they have beed recently, bad things happened. I hope this is will be a positive encounter. S&F