Aliens, B.C.

reply to post by ArMaP

That image is presented as "evidence" of advanced technology in Ancient Egypt but it's just the result of writing two (or more) things over each other, those figures are a mix between the underlying images (that were filled with some material) and the ones that were written over them. When the filling material breaks, sometimes we see a mix of both images. Egyptians did that frequently, and we must remember that their language and writing are know, so some people can read what was there and what was written over it.

If you clearly can see it, it looks like an military helicopter and a plane not words but symbols on what maybe they have seen.


www.enterprisemission.com...
the images match dont they?

Originally posted by TheLegend
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/264710a183cf.jpg[/atsimg]

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man....this is just creepy... think about it for a second.....

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by FlawlessVictory
Ancient Astronaut Theory...



The mainstream will continue to write these amazing archealogical findings off. Their explanations are so outrageous it's almost disrespectful. People that say we have no real evidence of extra-terrestrials visiting our planet obviously haven't seen all these ancient artifacts, paintings, and formations.

No, they just don't read the same things into them that you do. The very early images - who knows, who knows what they are showing? You see ET, fine, that is up to you but there is no way of confirming that. Those that came later, well, they are fairly much known to be religious analogies, but you've done your homework, right?

With all due respect, in an era where flight amongst humans was impossible, how could Egyptians for example conjure up such well thought out images of flying objects? one looks like an airplane/helicopter.

So what would a flying object to the "gods" if you will look like to people who had never seen one? so it's interesting to say the least.

I guess *theoretically* if you believe in time travel that could be possible as well.....

Originally posted by TheLegend
reply to post by EL1A5

 

U.S. pilots were seen as "gods" to natives that never seen airplanes or white men before. After WWII the pilots left and the natives wanted their gods back for free crates/supplies again so they created mock runways, designs in the ground (that could only be seen from the sky) and even wood airplanes. Now if this happened just 60 years ago, why wouldn't it happen thousands of years ago? Rhetorical question, btw.

This was in an Ancient Aliens episode, if anyone wants a reference. Good series, check it out.

This meme came from Chariots of the Gods film (Here)

Which earlier took the meme from John Frum here.

It wasn't quite just WW2 actions that caused the phenomenon, but there you go.

If anything, it's proof of the creativity of the human mind, but am not sure it exactly proves much else conclusively. We're seeing art work from darker times with brighter stars, and I don't think its above us to look at those stars, comets, and random other flaring things and interpret them as glowing celestial fish with persons inside them or all kinds of random things.

Also, our own bias shows as much as anyone elses. You look and you say 'helicopter!' ... Imagine an alien coming along, what might the alien person say to this??? What the hell is a helicopter?!! You see a helicopter because you've seen one before. I have my doubts that alien craft would look like anything we have seen before. Furthermore, as much as we don't admit it we tend to copy each other by accident quite a little. Check out the Captain Cooke story here. (Okay it's cracked.com but it gets the point across)

Pretty much the whole thread is a Von Daniken. By a Von Daniken, I mean that its a lot of evidence heaped into a pile and persons stating, 'oh there must be something to it, even if that one has an explanation!' Which is precisely why I love Von Daniken and also get endlessly frustrated by the work. It provides a lot to think about, but as much indepth analysis as a wading pool.

If the whole theory is to be taken seriously then proper serious research has to be conducted. That means taking each instance case by case and creating an indepth knowledge of it. The Myth Busters experiment was quite poor, the meme of the primative human worshipping what they don't understand is circumstance, and generally the whole thing is a pile of memes.

Daniken's work is great in how accessible it is, but its highly conversational and omits indepth research, and the voices of his opponents on a regular basis. There are some more indepth looks at individual cases by persons other than Daniken but you have to search them out.

Originally posted by LosLobos
reply to post by Klassified

 

That's where I lean. I absolutely think everything we know is becaue we have been born and destroyed NUMEROUS times over.

I don't doubt aliens exist. I just doubt they showed up for thousands of years then all of a sudden stopped showing up.

I just don't get why they would stop meddling in our business all of a sudden.

Ponder this if you will...

Let's say a million years ago this planet was populated with like minded folks of all races. Let's say an asteroid was inbound and there was nothing they could do. Let's say the elites of the million year old society found a way to save themselves.

Fast forward until today.

The elites, a million years ago, would have passed that knowledge along to their kids. And their kids kids. And their kids kids kids. And their etc etc etc. If they could save themselves a million years ago then they can save themselves now. In short, the Earth has died many times. The only people that survive are the elites.

This is what I'm talking about. Getting outside the box, no matter how crazy it sounds(No offense intended). Our generation seems to be stuck with either "its aliens", or its so mundane its not worth talking about.

If its truly ET. Great! If its truly mundane. Great! But it seems to me theres a lot of area between the two opposing views that doesn't get touched. Nobody wants to go there.

Why?

IMO

The reason the aliens do not attempt to make themselves known globally, is because we're all slaves.

Our entire society is run by very few people, and until we truly become free, I don't think the aliens will want anything to do with us .

Maybe the day we all choose to get rid of currency with interest, is when they decide to make themselves known.

As an alien, I would want nothing to do with such a backwards species, I would wait until they are at a technological peak and no longer cause wars at all.

BTW wiki global conflicts, there is something like 28 wars/conflicts that result in +1000 people dead every year..... We're just slaves killing each other,

Originally posted by Pauligirl
ART and UFOs?
No thanks, only art...
www.sprezzatura.it...
explains a lot of the symbolism in religious artwork

Another thank you Pauligirl for that incredible link.

I'm not denying the paranormal, that 'alien' life beyond a doubt exists, nor that alien-like 'entities' seem to intrude people's dreams and subconscious (see '___' The Spirit Molecule & TMI's The Gateway Experience).

Our human minds cannot yet claim to understand each and every force of Nature (laws of physics, metaphysics, psyche of humanity) and the infinite ways these elements can interact with each other.

Sometimes these Natural forces produce 'lights in the sky' and other anomalous perceptions. This is true. It happens on a mass scale, and some of it at least is recorded too (I'm sure at least some of it is real and honest even if that fraction is becoming infinitely small and impossible to discern).

This is then filtered by our sensory organs (and other recording equipment) and Interpreted by our Brain and Mind. It is our Beliefs and our prior sensory experience from memory that is used to help the Brain and Mind Interpret the nature of what it is that we are perceiving.

Alternative explanations always exist concerning the more compelling evidence which in itself is rare thus making it more likely than resorting to more complex and therefore less probable theories of physical beings developing technology light-years away and traveling to Earth with it.

I deny that there is anything to disclose beyond the fact that the Natural world and the human psyche are more complex than our minds are capable of understanding. Lights and perception of 'objects' exist. Events that seem to defy logic or preconceived notions of the Natural world are labeled as paranormal. I mean no disrespect in saying that the alien/ufo fits a cult more than it does a quest for Truth.

This belief is being perpetuated by providing a cover-story for events which are part of Nature and which are better understood by leaving them open to inquiry, whether by scientific progress and/or to emerging human potential.

I want to be clear that it is one thing to leave something open to inquiry, and another entirely to quickly jump in to every phenomenon that every person has ever had and interpreting it for them in a way that reinforces this alien/ufo cult.

Reinterpreting archaeological evidence to fit this agenda (feeding this belief with your undivided attention) is as much a part of this as instilling fear or even reverence for aliens/UFOs by playing and re-playing this cult (no disrespect) to the point of manifesting it in our psyche, our dreams, and our children's view of themselves and their world view.

Originally posted by LosLobos
Ponder this...

If aliens have been coming here for thousands of years then why did they stop?

It's been over 230 plus years of real time information in America alone. Even back in 1776 they had the printing press. Yet, no real time, intelligent, historical records exist? Why hasn't Ben Franklin said,"a ship from the sky showed up one day with advanced technology?" Where are those records AFTER thousands of years of visits?

It just seems odd they all of a sudden stopped making appearances AFTER they made appearances routinely.

Ponder this 2...

I'm one of those folks who think the Earth has been destroyed numerous times. And each time mankind re-flourishes. Is it possible what we believe to be Alien Astronauts is nothing more than ourselves re-flourishing?

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There has never been a shortage of reports. They have happened throughout history. ATS actually has a great repository for almost every UFO account on record.

I tend to agree with your last part. Not sure I believe in 'aliens' as much as I beleive that our ancestors were far more advanced than we have become today. And, it is like that they are here, or nearby, nudging us every now and again.

I'm skeptical. I'm especially skeptical due to the way all the photos and legends and such are all heaped together in one big block and then the believers say both "There must be something to all this!" and "EXPLAIN ALL THIS, SCIENTISTS!"

If you take a step back, and look at things from the perspective of our ancient ancestors - cultures that weren't filled with extraterrestrial lore, ideas of other worlds, interstellar travel, or even other suns - all this "evidence" starts to look different.

A lot of them look like just spirits. They looked at the stars and perceived people and animals, gods and demigods in the sky whether in the planets themselves or the meteors and constellations. Not every representation of a ship with a god in it from the ancient world must actually be star-people just because the ancients perceived the heavenly bodies as the gods or ships of the gods. The Egyptians thought that the sun-disk carried Ra across the sky everyday - the sun is still around today and we know its not a spaceship. The ancients also commonly saw similar divinity in the earth itself as they did the sky, are we to believe the planet is a spaceship?

Now that's not to say that none of the depictions by the ancients are compelling. The first image in the op is very curious but it would be wrong to jump to conclusions from there; it's very hard to tell if a painting or sculpture of a monstrous humanoid is something out of this world or just something like a fertility talisman cos those are pretty freaky too - some have dozens of breasts and are not at all human looking.

And lets not forget the natural, more earthly explanations of why the ancients painted and carved these things are still fascinating in their own right.

Originally posted by Klassified
To the OP. Or anyone else who cares to address a sincere question...

Why do these, of necessity, have to be aliens?

Since we are speculating anyway, why can't they be us? Is it not remotely possible, that at some point in the past, our ancestors might have far surpassed us in some areas of civilization and technology? Circumstantially at least, we have remnants that suggest the possibility.

Is it not also possible that there might have been a civilization on earth at one time who were so far advanced, compared to the rest of the world, that they seemed to be gods to some of our ancestors, and masked their true human appearance so that they would appear as otherworldly or gods in some cases?

And could it be, that same civilization is still here? Maybe right in front of us, and we don't realize it?

I am not ignoring the evidence you and others have presented on ATS. But rather looking at it from a different angle. An angle that is certainly no more or less hypothetical than aliens.

Could it be that man did not "evolve" in a straight line on a gradual incline? But rather rose and fell throughout history, over who knows how many thousands of years?

Also, a great assessment. I think, by now, there is probably some combination of ancestor and other beings that have now made their way here. I really don't see why this has to be such a far-fetched idea to the masses.

Originally posted by the_0bserver85
I really love the classic Egyptian depiction......very clearly that they are airplane, helicopter, submarine,.......sh1t I like to see it being debunked.
There are three possibilities:
1) It's a HOAX.

2) It's an imaginative drawing of the ancient Egyptian.

-not very likely-
3) It....it....it CAN'T BE RIGHT.

ROFL

I, and many other's have debunked the helicopter hieroglyph many times. What you are seeing is one carved symbol on top of another...explained here.

members.tripod.com...

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A good observation Klassified! Actually there are other theories about aliens and you can read all about it for FREE!
I urge anyone interested in UFOs and aliens to read all the books and articles by John Keel and Jacques Vallee. They are available to read for free at “Scribd” online. The two I recommend are “Dimensions” by Vallee, and “The Cosmic Question: The Eighth Tower” by Keel. According to these authors' analyzes and perspectives, there's really nothing new concerning UFO/paranormal phenomenon (which may not be extraterrestrial) except the technological trappings and appearances which are periodically readjusted to fit the eras in which they manifest themselves. Both authors works are from a secular, objective viewpoint, with no religious biases and are well documented.

These skeptcis should realize there's a lot of evidience thats actually real and not a hoax. Aliens are real, and they're not a new topic.

Today I was trawlling the internet looking for ancient writtings & the sumerian tablets and came across this site, this guy has been studying the tablets for quite some time, I found it very interesting & about 1/2 way down this page mans creation!

sabbathrock.com...

a few days ago I was wondering why some people have blue eyes! ( I know i'm a little behind on info here) as scientists had discovered the gene which controls melanin in the hair skin & eyes but (Nature) had turned the eye part off around 6-10,000 years ago, so everyone with blue eyes has 1 common ancestor! the first human?? to be born according to the sumarian text was Noah! strange!!

that should have read thefirst human with blue eyes...lol sorry!!!

reply to post by pilotx


It really annoys me when people confound life undoubtedly existing elsewhere in the universe and alien visitation of earth. I hear that so much from the ET-UFO believers; they interpret skepticism of alien visitation as meaning the skeptics don't believe in life elsewhere.

Exobiologists largely think life may be common in the universe but largely differ in opinion of how common intelligent life and technological civilization is. They definitely do not think its remotely as common as life in general. In principle I think its a good idea to ere on the side of conservative estimates as low as one or two intelligent species to a galaxy. The path of evolution of us, the only intelligent species we know of so far, shows that even if one evolves, it may never develop past nomadic animalistic status. I say that because we nearly went extinct a few times long before we invented agriculture and the first technologies.


People seem to cling to the hope we're being visited very strongly, its almost religious.

reply to post by Welfhard

Almost religious? I believe ufology is becoming a new and widespread religion; if the definition of religion is a continual adherence to a belief system acted out in practice. Notice that most religions have as their basic belief that a great event and superior personality(s) will come from above and straighten out humanity and their environment?

Ufology certainly has all the attributes of a religion: proponents and opponents (many fanatical) of a belief system based mostly on faith and a little hearsay evidence. Notice people (here on ATS even!) squabbling back and forth, both pro and con, until hatefulness is generated and manifested in venomous, irrational verbal attacks? What would happen if some of these posters met each other in person? Would there be bloodshed? Sometimes I wonder.

Statistically about as many people have had religious visions as have witnessed UFOs. We seldom hear of the religious type because they're not usually shared with the public, being of a more personal nature. The rest of us either believe or disbelieve the hear-say evidence of others and act upon the information with a closed or open mind. Isn't that what is happening right here on ATS with the UFO/alien subject?

I guess one difference between the old religions and the UFO/alien one is that the old religions have a god to judge and damn the unbelievers; here on ATS it's done by the people posting.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz

Also, a great assessment. I think, by now, there is probably some combination of ancestor and other beings that have now made their way here. I really don't see why this has to be such a far-fetched idea to the masses.

It goes against the reality perpetuated (I believe) by TPTB themselves. A lot of ufology has some unsavory characters behind it. IMHO.

Hi, folks. This is my first post on here. Thanks to the OP for interesting reading and the pics. I've seen most of the pics before and to me they certainly add a substantial case for the evidence of ufo/alien involvement in our past. The Egyptian cartouche is also an obvious piece of evidence; I don't hold with the debunking theory as the image/s are just too much of a coincidence. Where else is there any images of Egyptian re writing cartouches that resembe strange objects??? Again, this cartouche alongside all the other evidence is just too much of a coincidence. Time travel may have a bearing in this case, as aliens may not need such 20th century technology as their own would have been far superior; so possibly an ancient Egyptuan somehow got a glance of our present technology in order to record it so we would see it today?

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Thanks for the info. I will look into it. I have heard the names it seems, but haven't read anything by them.