What is the most important witness testimony in ufology ?

Originally posted by iksose7
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I have to agree. Phil Schneider seems very genuine and he does bear scars to back up his story.

I think the only way whistle blowers will make a difference is if they group together and disclose what they know at the same time. This would grab the publics attention and get them to start thinking about the whole UFO/ET situation more.

And with more believers, comes more and more people pressing for disclosure.

Peace

Your right about getting a group together. This is what Steven Greer tried to do with the National Press Club gig.

The inside story as to why this even went nowhere is told graphically by Stephen Bassett in an interview done by the Consious Media Network. It's available from their web site and even if you dont like Stephen Bassett, the interview is a real eye opener as to WHAT the media did following the National Press Club gig.

Originally posted by MIMRblazin
I felt like I needed to share this somewhere. I don't know if this is anything close to what you're looking for, but I've spent all morning reading FBI files on the Vault concerning UFO's.

vault.fbi.gov...

There is also a Roswell file that I printed for future reading. What I find interesting is the fact the declassified memos actually talk about the "recovery" of discs. Very casually, too.

Figure you guys might enjoy this link www.burlingtonnews.net... this describes worldwide reported disk recoveries (about 100 of them) Russia and the USA very busy!

Perhaps this is why they are casual they probably found a couple last week

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1st Lt. Walter Haut Without a doubt...

Originally posted by Peter Brake

Figure you guys might enjoy this link www.burlingtonnews.net... this describes worldwide reported disk recoveries (about 100 of them) Russia and the USA very busy!

Perhaps this is why they are casual they probably found a couple last week

thanks! I have plenty of reading to catch up on, and this is at the top of the list.

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Originally posted by ADVISOR

Originally posted by CrashRetrieval
What is the most important witness testimony in ufology ?

To me it would be the one that finally proves it, with out a doubt, via evidence, and not theory.

Show me science fact, not fiction...

What proof would be required? A Witness is "evidence" and "gives" evidence. As someone posted in this Thread...

Originally posted by Signals

My most important witness testimony is my own.

Unfortunately no "wow signal" for Signals yet...

edit on 12-4-2011 by Signals because: classified

Exposure maybe.... release of "the information" as in Governments have Secure Documents concerning "UFOs", etc

Millions of people have witnessed UFO phenomena, and I'm referring to "Unexplained" phenomena.. I'm not including mistaken identification, but I am including examples the government spun away claiming "it was Venus" when in FACT Venus was ELSEWHERE. Many witness reports have been ignored and explained away through such "official" tactics, as well as outright ignored and omitted.

One thing about a UFO ( Flying or not ), in the most valid terms they can be IDENTIFIED as (unidentified flying object ). The "science fact" is the phenomena itself. Having witnessed the phenomena in a "with out a doubt" experience, a witness doesn't require a person to claim in the name of "science" that the event was a fact or not.

The event is still a VALID fact... scientifically or to clarify my point, absolutely. Where fiction comes into this, I'm not sure. Maybe hoaxes, lies and deception, or none valid assumptions made by "witnesses"? Who decides what constitutes such things? Many a "scientist" and government official has proved unreliable concerning this, to be kind. Well... Many "official" people have proved outright deceptive and liars concerning this, from government departments, military and media, academic and other "fact" dealers exposed for merely creating "fiction".

As Signals stated "I am the best witness" and I'm absolutely copesetic with that. I have experienced such an event, beyond a doubt. The fact of the experience is not in the "fiction" of assuming "alien... or government or some unknown organization", but in the CRAFT itself, being unidentified. It's not any aircraft any government has ever "revealed".. not a craft found in any journal and a craft that broke quite a few accepted laws of physics.

An appeal to authority isn't valid in considering such "witness" testimony. In fact many an authority has been proven NON VALID. The proof is what? Claiming some black project is responsible for the craft is a good one... being that such a "science fact" will reveal new laws of physics for the masses to accept as "proof", beyond a doubt.

But the event is already a fact... is already valid ( without some sanction by a person claiming to speak for a science ). There's a difference between your own experience ( provided you have witnessed this ) and what those who where not there do to your experience lol... In FACT ( science or not ) you will see how unreliable THEY can be. lol... and how reliable YOU are.

I understand your post.... But I will paraphrase an Ol' Tune....

"You may know better, but I know ( him )"

Originally posted by Serafine


What proof would be required?

Show me the head mounted on a wall plaque and the taxidermist who stuffed the critter. Because they keep just as decent of records as a medical examiner, minus the medical paper work. Photo's of the before and after, great way to show of ones preservation skills.

So yeah, I need more than some "witless testimony".

Sorry if my stance is too repugnant for many, but then again I am the same guy who seriously tried to entertain the notion of Planetary Defense, only to have a low turn out because it is more reality than fantasy.

So it is up to each person to decide, but when they do, decide to become serious and step to the table in the capacity of more than entertainment, I will be more inclined to be less stand offish.

For me it demands a no bs, serious approach. We have all seen the abduction fantasy threads played out again and again.

Isn't time time for some thing different?

Or are too many people that scared to take it to the next level?

Every one keeps asking for disclosure, well what happens when they get what they asked for, and reality is more like aliens hate our warmongering race, and our extinction is more like the flavor of the day.

That aspect is more likely than if they were friendly, otherwise, don't y'all think peace would be encouraged instead of the destruction?

Occam's razor people, lex parsimoniae....et veritas.

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The most credible witness will be our own two eyes. When we can look up and see them. For the cynics that will be the only thing they will believe anyway. Other than that anyone who says they are real will be called a liar no matter who they are.

Another good question is,

Who is qualified to judge what is the most important witness testimony in ufology ?

I sure hope it's not a skeptic-debunker that's never even seen a UFO ?




Here's a quote from James McDonald that should be considered noteworthy:

Dr. James E. McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric physics, University of Arizona. 1967.

"I have absolutely no idea where the UFO's come from or how they are operated, but after ten years of research, I know they are something from outside our atmosphere."

Originally posted by karl 12
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Hey CrashRetrieval, I wouldn't say it's the most important but it's certainly very interesting - see 0:40.

Hi karl 12, very interesting video, I did not see that one before, thanks for posting buddy.

Originally posted by easynow
Here's a quote from James McDonald that should be considered noteworthy:

Dr. James E. McDonald, Professor of Atmospheric physics, University of Arizona. 1967.

"I have absolutely no idea where the UFO's come from or how they are operated, but after ten years of research, I know they are something from outside our atmosphere."

Hi easynow, very important quote indeed, thanks for posting matey.

It’s obvious that Dr. James E. McDonald made a big mistake back then by coming forward with such mind-blowing information, here one can see how they did deal with people like him, despite he was a Professor of Atmospheric physics .

It was posted once by karl 12.

Originally posted by karl 12
Dr James Mcdonald talks about 'scoffing and ridicule' within mainstream science.

Source; www.abovetopsecret.com...

Easynow, Spacvisitor, great posts about Dr James Mcdonald - he truly was an amazing scientist.

Here's some other very interesting UFO testimony from Air traffic controller Chuck Sorrels.

Edwards Air Force Base.

Edward J. Ruppelt, former chief of an Air Technical Intelligence Center, reported several incidents of unidentified aerial vehicles with advanced flight characteristics, seen over this secured test facility in the 1950s. A similar event happened on the night of October 7, 1965. And here is the voice of the man who first reported it.

Chuck Sorrels: My name is Chuck Sorrels, a retired Air Force air traffic controller. I'm recording this on May 16, 1995. In 1965, 30 years ago, I was a tech sergeant in the U.S. Air Force, attached to the19 25th Communication Squadron at Edwards Air Force Base in California. I was the air traffic controller on duty in Edwards tower on the night of October 7, 1965. I was working a midnight shift in the tower when at approximately 1:30 a.m., I spotted a group of luminous objects in the air above and around Edwards Air Force Base. They had a flashing red light on the bottom, with a green, glowing light above the red.

They also sometimes flashed or glowed a white light above the green light. The sightings lasted until about daylight, 5:30 or six a.m. At first I sighted one object, which was larger and brighter than the rest. At one point there were seven objects visible at the same time. The objects would be stationary for a period of time and then move very fast to another location and appeared to be able to climb straight up in short order. Good eyesight and my experience as an air traffic controller made it plain to me that these luminous objects were not planes, helicopters, stars, satellites, weather balloons or any other known aerial object. Your job as an air traffic controller calls for you to be watchful.Training told me these were not normal objects. The objects weren't supposed to be there. These were objects out of the normal, from their appearance and flight characteristics. I reported these sightings to base operations and the Los Angeles Air Defense Sector. The objects were also seen by at least five other people on Edwards Air Force Base. They were also seen by George Air Force Base tower and were showing up on radar in at least four different radar sight locations.

NICAP Link

Cheers.

Exopolitics speech of former Canadian Minister for National Defense.

www.youtube.com...

Greetz,

Sander

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Originally posted by ADVISOR

Show me the head mounted on a wall plaque and the taxidermist who stuffed the critter. Because they keep just as decent of records as a medical examiner, minus the medical paper work. Photo's of the before and after, great way to show of ones preservation skills.

I was going to ask you ... "Are we having fun yet?"

But the "Show me the head mounted on a wall plaque and the taxidermist who stuffed the critter." has answered my question... It's been real...

"Occam's razor people, lex parsimoniae....et veritas...." ~ Occam's Razor is usually Hobson's Choice, man... and that's the truth :/

Originally posted by Serafine
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Originally posted by ADVISOR

Show me the head mounted on a wall plaque and the taxidermist who stuffed the critter. Because they keep just as decent of records as a medical examiner, minus the medical paper work. Photo's of the before and after, great way to show of ones preservation skills.

I was going to ask you ... "Are we having fun yet?"

But the "Show me the head mounted on a wall plaque and the taxidermist who stuffed the critter." has answered my question... It's been real...

"Occam's razor people, lex parsimoniae....et veritas...." ~ Occam's Razor is usually Hobson's Choice, man... and that's the truth :/

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I believe Mitchell and Gagarin are the real deal. They had nothing to gain but eveything to lose. They never backed down from what they had claimed and that´s the interesting part. And of course i´m my favourite witness too. I have no doubt that we are not alone. We never were and we never will.

The most important? There is no pyramid in testimony, everyones experiences in life are equally important and everyone is everyone important.