Muslim Honor Killing - Justified or Disgusting

Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by hhcore

 

The fact the father was sentenced to only three months is what makes the crime so much worse!!!

It's amazing that these things happen all the while we are ignorant to them and have no idea how bad things in are for people in some parts of the world.

But if you never relate those bad things to your own part of the world, then you will never know how bad your own part of the world is.

Once you know how bad your own part of the world is, you can actually do something about it.

reply to post by Havick007


This is just the caliber of actions religious fanatics take in the name of (Insert Deity) there is nothing wrong with it as (Insert Deity) forgives the righteous.
Yeah, pretty wild ride huh?
Interesting times indeed.
As far as i am concerned let the muslims kill the muslims for honor, let the christians kill the christians for honor, just don't try to push your religion on me as my God is stronger than yours.

reply to post by P3ACE0WAR


What the story and documentaries describe are nothing compared to the bad things we complain about...... in comparison we have nothing to complain about!

reply to post by g146541


So then you prefer violence over peace

Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by P3ACE0WAR

 

What the story and documentaries describe are nothing compared to the bad things we complain about...... in comparison we have nothing to complain about!

edit on 12-4-2011 by Havick007 because: (no reason given)

Really?

In that case never mind, sorry to bother you 0.o

reply to post by P3ACE0WAR


Why the sarcasm?


It's true isnt it, when it comes to violence,economy and lifestyle?

In someplaces people still being hang, stoned to death and obviously the honor killings.... Why all the violence?

People always ask for and promote world peace but seem to forget that it is upto us to acheive it.....

reply to post by Havick007


When i was young and dumb heck yeah, i saw the romance in the heat of the battle.
But now i am not young AND dumb, i could not afford both so i had to evolve abit.
I think if these folks need to kill each other in order to feel better as long as they do not kill from any other religion is fine with me, it is just fanatics dying.
You say you are a father correct?
So am i, and i'm sure the thought of any of your children dying, well you would gladly die for them in any circumstance.
I will assume this to be true, but this father who killed his child, the thing he was by "The Law of Nature" supposed to protect with his life, has failed his task and he will have to live with this shame of his for eternity.
Who knows maybe he will doubt his religion someday.
Do i personally think it right?
Heck no, only a fanatic would.
But allow them happiness and the right to their religion as long as their freedoms do not overshadow mine.
If you are muslim and do not agree with honor killings....maybe your god is a farce, and you need to leave religion.
Then people should not be allowed to kill you as you no longer prescribe to that brand of fanaticism.

The same negative projections can be said about other religions. You're throwing in stories of atrocities motivated by culture-based belief. There's no such thing as honor killing in Islam.

According to Islam,
■ Maximum punishment for adultery (substantiated by evidence) is caning in public.
■ When a couple of underage girl and boy fall in love, the parents from both families have the responsibility to meet up to reach a win-win outcome or enforce restrictions on the couple.

In Indonesia (the largest Muslim country in the world), mix marriages (couple of different religions - no conversion) are allowed. Does that surprise you?

Hitler was a truly devoted Christian that he even took pride in carrying the cross and maintaning it as a symbol for his military. He killed millions of innocent lives in the entire history. Does it mean all Christians and Christianity itself are the most evil entities?

reply to post by Havick007


Did ANY of you watch all 10 parts of this video?

I did.....I'm gobsmacked how this woman got away with as much as she did for as long as she did.

I'm not sure if this original thread was about Muslim honor killings or a con artist who lied about her own story that became a best seller.

reply to post by bluemirage5


it was kinda weird that things turned around in the 2nd vid.

jorden is one of the freeest ME nation.

only got to 4.

Originally posted by wisdomnotemotion
The same negative projections can be said about other religions. You're throwing in stories of atrocities motivated by culture-based belief. There's no such thing as honor killing in Islam.

According to Islam,
■ Maximum punishment for adultery (substantiated by evidence) is caning in public.
■ When a couple of underage girl and boy fall in love, the parents from both families have the responsibility to meet up to reach a win-win outcome or enforce restrictions on the couple.

In Indonesia (the largest Muslim country in the world), mix marriages (couple of different religions - no conversion) are allowed. Does that surprise you?

Hitler was a truly devoted Christian that he even took pride in carrying the cross and maintaning it as a symbol for his military. He killed millions of innocent lives in the entire history. Does it mean all Christians and Christianity itself are the most evil entities?

edit on 4/12/2011 by wisdomnotemotion because: typo

Hitler was anti- 'Christian' - the Iron cross is a Babylonian symbol.

Indonesian intermarriage is only thanks to a relic of Dutch colonial law.

Punishment for adultery in the Koran is death by stoning I believe - Mo even tryed to forc Jews to carry out such barbarisms after they had long since abandoned them!


As fo honour killings - that is the result of a fixed archaic social code - one that permits no individuation from it - and happens to fit in very well with the fixed archaic code of Islam - which also owns it victims mind body and soul from the moment they are born!

islam: its toleraters and appeasers disgust me to the core!

reply to post by fooks


You've got to watch the others.......she gets taken to Jordan and is called out on her lies of her book then those lies turn in to more lies and so on.

Originally posted by silo13
I think the answer lies in your own post.
You said the girl was killed to 'save her soul'.
What is temporary life here on earth compared to eternity?
If that is the belief system of the family, then, it's a justified killing.
Do I agree with it?
NO!
But is it my belief system and my culture.
Also no.

peace

Some 13 yr old kid saying this : that is the belief system of the family, then, it's a justified killing.
No murder is Justified Never ever ever Peace right back at you .....But never argue that murder is just ....

wow she hoaxed me .....lol

These people are sick, sick, sick. I hope when they pass, they get what's waiting for them on the other side. How ignorant and evil spirited can you get? How can they even think for a second that a loving God would approve of such a thing? I try to be understanding, but when you hear of such ignorance and hate, it's hard not to wish the worst for these bast@rds! If I were a Muslim, and I had any kind of compassion for human beings and an understanding that everyone was created by the same God, the last thing I would want to do is continue to practice my Muslim faith. They treat their women like dogs, and what's sad is that most of the women accept it.

reply to post by badw0lf


Being well educated in Islam, and being a muslim myself... You are wrong, there is inter-racial marriages aloud in Islam... But only to specific religions like Christianity and Judaism.

Also, it does not have to be so you can convert them, but they should be practicing there own religion.

Obviously, my first reaction is that it's wrong, on a high level.

Then I start to think about freedom of religion and culture, I mean many Jehovah's Witnesses have died because they refuse to accept blood transfusions, is that bad? To me, it really boils down to, was it freedom for the person getting killed? The answer is no. If the victim thought her actions was such a damnable offense, she wouldn't have done them, definitely didn't willingly die for them.

I see this, not as a freedom of any belief system, but just a means to suppress family members abilities to have their own freedom.

So, beyond the initial reaction, I really can't rationalize for these "Honor Killings" to be at all tolerable, or any less punishable than murder.

I think that you would be VERY hard pressed to find anyone on ATS who is in support of "Honor Killings" or finds them justified. It is only the more fundamentalist Muslims who would agree to something like that. I have yet to see ANY fundamentalist Muslims on ATS. Most are moderates and are more in line with modern day Christians in that they pick and choose the good parts from the Qur'an and ignore the bad stuff. This is a good thing.

reply to post by Havick007



When is that stone age religion? going to join the 20th century? To kill a little girl over that? No, that's not an "Honor" killing, that's murder. Almost every religion has that their dark times, but over the years they've evolved with the times. But islam? nope. I'm surprised they don't have something against electric lights and motor vehicles.

This is no more "muslim" than female genital mutilation is. It's a barbaric custom held over from tribal days.

To call this Islam is propaganda. It's a sick, horrifying, cultural problem.