Muslim Honor Killing - Justified or Disgusting

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Hello ATS,


I am watching a documentary at the moment and cannot believe what i am hearing and seeing.

In a nutshell, a christian girl recounts her best friends murder by her own family. Her best friend was raised a Muslim in Jordan but because she fell in love with a Christian boy she was murdered by her own father to '' save her soul '' in a religious court he was sentenced to 3 months prison... WTF!!


Muslim Honor Killing

An honor killing or honour killing[1] (also called a customary killing) is the killing of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators (and potentially the wider community) that the victim has brought dishonor upon the family or community. Honour killings are directed mostly against women and girls.

The perceived dishonor is normally the result of one of the following behaviors, or the suspicion of such behaviors: (a) dressing in a manner unacceptable to the family or community, (b) wanting to terminate or prevent an arranged marriage or desiring to marry by own choice, (c) engaging in heterosexual sexual acts outside marriage, or even due to a non-sexual relationship perceived as inappropriate, and (d) engaging in homosexual acts. Women and girls are killed at a much higher rate than men.

The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that perhaps as many as 5,000 women and girls a year are killed by members of their own families.[2] Many women's groups in the Middle East and Southwest Asia suspect the victims are at least four times more.[3]

Wiki Link

This documentary is disturbing but very compelling and something that needs to be seen -

Forbidden Lie$

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Forbidden Lie$ is a documentary feature by Australian director Anna Broinowski. It tells the story of Norma Khouri author of the book, Forbidden Love - purportedly the true story of "Dalia" a young Muslim woman in Jordan murdered by her family in an honor killing because of her affair with a Christian soldier. The documentary at first depicts Khouri as a woman bravely exposing a brutal and true story. Eventually, the story is challenged - first by Jordanians, then by Malcolm Knox, a journalist. The documentary cuts between Knox, Khouri and other individuals like her husband - the film often shows the individual parties as they are watching others talk about them. Through it all, Khouri staunchly defends the truth of her work.

Ironically, Khouri's first critics are Jordanian women, feminists who, when interviewed for the documentary, take issue with western perspectives of Muslim women as victims with no control over their lives. One of the critics visits an office for assisting victims of abuse. The director of the facility remarks that they have received no donations from royalties on Khouri's book.

Many details of the story are contrasted against demonstrated fact. Khouri's description of geographic and other details of Jordan are wrong (hotels, a gym and various businesses mentioned in the story did not exist during the period in which the events of the book occur).

Khouri's claims of restrictions requiring women to wear the hijab when traveling outside the home, and that women can never leave without a male escort are contrasted with street scenes showing women traveling unescorted and uncovered. Nobody living on the street where Dalia was murdered remembers such a crime occurring. Dalia's father could not remain out on bail pending his prosecution because murderers in Jordan are not given bail, nor are they tried in Shariah court. The documentary crew visits the Palestine Hospital where Khouri claims Dalia's body had been taken. Some details of the hospital are consistent with those of the book, but many are clearly wrong - including Khouri's description of the morgue.



Forbidden Lies

Why is it that whenever i hear that religion is supposed to promote peace it always seems to act in an opposite way!!


UN Stand and View of Honor Killings

Impunity for domestic violence, ‘honour killings’ cannot continue – UN official

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4 March 2010

– So-called ‘honour killings’ are an extreme symptom of discrimination against women, which – including other forms of domestic violence – is a plague that affects every country, the United Nations human rights chief says, calling on governments to tackle impunity for this crime.
“The reality for most victims, including victims of honour killings, is that State institutions fail them and that most perpetrators of domestic violence can rely on a culture of impunity for the acts they commit – acts which would often be considered as crimes, and be punished as such, if they were committed against strangers,” states High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay.

In a statement issued today ahead of this year’s International Women’s Day, which is observed annually on 8 March, Ms. Pillay notes that traditionally, there has been some debate around the issue of State responsibility for acts committed in the private sphere.

“Some have argued, and continue to argue, that family violence is placed outside the conceptual framework of international human rights,” she says.

“However, under international laws and standards, there is a clear State responsibility to uphold women’s rights and ensure freedom from discrimination, which includes the responsibility to prevent, protect and provide redress – regardless of sex, and regardless of a person’s status in the family.”

It has been estimated that as many as one in three women across the world has been beaten, raped or otherwise abused during the course of her lifetime. And the most common source of such violence, Ms. Pillay states, comes from within the family, and amongst the most extreme forms of abuse is what is known as ‘honour killing.’

“Most of the 5,000 honour killings reported to take place every year around the world do not make the news, nor do the other myriad forms of violence inflicted on women and girls by husbands, fathers, sons, brothers, uncles and other male – and sometimes even female – family members.



Read More - UN.org

I think the answer lies in your own post.
You said the girl was killed to 'save her soul'.
What is temporary life here on earth compared to eternity?
If that is the belief system of the family, then, it's a justified killing.
Do I agree with it?
NO!
But is it my belief system and my culture.
Also no.

peace

reply to post by Havick007

We are all programmed by the family traditions and community environments we are raised in. Sometimes people are able to see through the blatent brainwashing that religious do to their children, but in most cases, they fall in line and believe what their parents do. If it was normal in your state to have a yearly lottery, with all the virgin females put in the pool, and the winner gets sacrificed, most people would see nothing wrong with it. It would be tradition and normal.

reply to post by silo13


I understand the belief system, but does it justify murder?

reply to post by TKDRL


I urge you to watch the documentary first before commenting.... it's disgusting.

Well, it's a cultural problem, not an Islamic one. In Islam in fact, marrying someone of another religion is apparently seen as an opportunity to warm your spouse into the religion.

People kill people because they're thinking about what their community would think of them for allowing it. It's never justified, it's very disgusting, but it's definitely a cultural problem.

reply to post by silo13


So then by that reasoning you agree with the extremist muslims that terrorised the US in 2001?

Is that true.... i think not.

reply to post by Havick007

I understand the belief system, but does it justify murder?

I'm not trying to be a smartypants or anything, but, if you understood the belief system than you'd already have your answer. Yes.

If your asking for 'viewpoints' (which I think you are) then no, NO religion is worth killing over.


EDIT TO ADD:

So then by that reasoning you agree with the extremist muslims that terrorised the US in 2001?

I don't believe Muslim extremists (alone) were behind the events in 2001. But that's for another thread.

peace

reply to post by FermiFlux


Being a father of 2 girls myself i could never imagine or justify bring harm to them let'alone murdering them...

reply to post by silo13


thank you, you are right there, murder is never justified and is an even worse sin.

reply to post by Havick007


Honor killing is unjustified, no rational human being can defend it, that being said there are plenty of honor killing committed by non-Muslims, in fact much more than Muslims. A man killing his girl friend/wife for sleeping with another man/cheating is regarded as honor killing. In West when a murder investigation is conducted, they look for three main motives: #money, #honor killing (women or men being killed for dishonoring the relationship), #the third one I forgot, I'll edit when I remember.

Edit to add the third motive:

#I think it revolves around crime/gang/drugs/alcohol? I think..

Originally posted by silo13
then, it's a justified killing.

Oh what tyipcal rubbish religios irony..

bleh

peace

reply to post by silo13


yeah the 2001 event is debateble......

reply to post by Havick007


I am sure it is, but as I said, culture, religion, family tradition etc, play a huge part in this. Back when my parents were kids, it was normal for the father to beat the holy hell out of their kids when they were caught doing something wrong. It would be considered tough love. My mom got caught smoking when she was 11, the punishment was to make her smoke a whole pack one cig after the other. Then eat cigarettes for dinner that night... It is not a culteral norm anymore, and most people get outraged for even a simple spanking now.

In some cultures where they regularly sacrificed people to their gods for rain etc, people supposedly considered it an honor to be a sacrifice, because that is how they were brought up. They would willingly let themself get sacrificed for to greater good. Obviously times have changed here.

There are plenty of things I disagree with, that all 3 of the big religions do. A lot of what religious people do to their children I consider child abuse.

Originally posted by FermiFlux
Well, it's a cultural problem, not an Islamic one. In Islam in fact, marrying someone of another religion is apparently seen as an opportunity to warm your spouse into the religion.

People kill people because they're thinking about what their community would think of them for allowing it. It's never justified, it's very disgusting, but it's definitely a cultural problem.

A woman who is not of islam cannot marry a muslim.

not culturally but religiously.

it may as well be naziism.

there is no moral decency in it.

reply to post by badw0lf


Why would a non muslim woman want to marry a muslim that follows traditional muslim values like that? Massocistic?

reply to post by badw0lf


ahh yes the irony.... peace by violence

reply to post by TKDRL


Noit was a Muslim women what wanted to marry a christian man because she fell in love. The girl that wrote the book and that features on the documentary was her best friend a christian.

The girl that was murdered and had her throat slite by her father was a Muslim.

IMO, these are hardly reasons to justify killing anybody. Religion or not.. To save their soul? More like to save face amongst other radicals in the peer group. What a farce...

reply to post by hhcore


The fact the father was sentenced to only three months is what makes the crime so much worse!!!

It's amazing that these things happen all the while we are ignorant to them and have no idea how bad things in are for people in some parts of the world.