6 Year Old Girl groped by New Orleans TSA.This Has To Stop...

reply to post by alphabetaone

Questions 1,2 and 3 apply, also again I must ask what adjective(s) would you have preferred for Bush to have used then too?

This tells me that you are on board with One World Government. Otherwise why would you ask this silly question? I bet you never even knew he said it. I love YouTube because someone obviously did catch it on video. Ok I will concede that some people talked about it, but not on any kind of mainstream level. I know you cannot even think of saying the NWO was a dinnertable word or conversation. My Dad did know about the Tri Laterals, but then he was an unusual person. In fact he tried to come up with a non-magnetic alloy to be used in our subs so that the Russians couldnt detect them, but the program was killed in the Reagan era. He also was in charge of civil defense for his community and once gave me some diagrams on how to build a cheap and effective home bunker.
So what other adjective should Bush have used when telling Americans that they will be successful at creating a New World Order? I don't know, you tell me. I suppose you could take the word "New" out of it, which is what Barack did when he just said "World Order I think we all would like". So what difference does it make? A World Order is what it is. Is that what you want? I do hear people on this site saying oh A One World Govt would be ok, as long as it isnt such and such. Well that's really pretty much the Socialist Utopian's dream of a wonderful world where some nice person is in control and every one is fed and taken care of. I see a lot of that sentiment here.
The NWO is run by people like Soros and Rothshilds.
Borderline fanatic? Only to people who are still asleep at the wheel.
And by the way, how would you know what I am doing aside from discoursing this on a forum? How would you know what organizations or people I have contributed to? How would you know what other activities I might be involved in?
The fact that I am talking at all after decades of people rolling their eyes at me at the mere mention of a NWO or the Tri Laterals is testimony to my willingness to take a stand, to be demonized by the likes of Janet Napolitano, to hold up a sign and tell Congress to STOP spending, to join with other people in protest. How dare you judge me like that?

Originally posted by maybereal11
The Mother, Selena Drexel, Has now gone public and done a few interviews.

The TSA has also weighed in on the matter.

Many of my previous questions have been answered and the blanks filled in.

Her daughter was selected for a "Random Screening"... (Patdown)

There was no drug test. Just pat down.

There was no suspicious activity by the parents or child that led to the search.

The TSA followed policy and training to the letter of the manual... even the mother acknowledges the agent was professional and courteous.

All that said....Bad, BAD policy. If the mom had tried to smuggle something on the plane or smelled like drugs...maybe...maybe I could understand, but this was random screening.

The TSA needs to change the policy immediately.

Until then anyone travelling with children...
if your child is selected for random pat-down...
You have a right to say No Thank You...Flying is a consumer purchase and choice.
I would refuse the pat-down for my child, leave the security area, go to the Airline customer Service desk and explain the circumstances and ask to be put on the next available flight or have your ticket refunded.

Any airline would want to avoid this kind of press like the plague and would put you on the next flight immediately (poosiblky even with an upgrade and an apology)...and the odds of having a child selected for "random" pat down twice has got to be slim.

Alternatively if you can't take a later flight...ask to see a TSA manager and make a scene, wait at the security area, don't go to a back office to talk, you are going to want an audience as you loudly explain that it is not OK for your child to be patted down by strangers.

TSA needs to send out a specific guideline memo on the issue immediately.

And yes...if we ever decide we want to pay the money and get the politics out of the discussion...profiling (not racial-but psychological...Q&A etc) remains the best screening method. Israel is very good at Psych profiling, but as I understand it those agents go through a years worth of training...it is expensive... but it might be time that we upgraded our methodologies. It will just require bipartisanship and discussion free of private lobbyists..who prefer to make a quick and unregulated profit staffing airports. Most of the 9-11 terrorists boarded through airports with TSA staffed by private firms.

Sound reasoning. Refreshing. Nice post.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

No! I don't take it out of context. No, it wasn't the discussion of the average dinner table! I call your bluff!

Bluff? I'm not bluffing you, I'm giving you something that needs to be here, rational conversation.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Only certain people talked about it. Perhaps when Bush Sr said it, it opened discussion. But not once did I ever hear my co-workers talking about Bush's New World Order speech. NOT ONCE! No, they didn't talk about it in the grocery line. No they didnt talk about it.

So let me get this straight, so I'm not confused. You are making the assumption that, because your co-workers never decided to use those words to describe a change of state, or hierarchy, because while you are picking up your cocoa puffs you never heard those words described as a change of state, that THEN those words used by a governmental official actually DO become that nefarious, dimly lit room cigar-smoking nefarious NWO group?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
In 1980 I read it in Anrtony Sutton's books and NO ONE talked about it. I think you are talking up a bunch of baloney.

You are deriding *ME* for talking up a bunch of baloney? You read something in a book and what, take it as law? Did you ever entertain the idea that perhaps some things were simply speculative or being over-embellished? If not, doesn't that actually make you as equally as radical as those that are fighting it by impinging on our liberties?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
It is disgusting how anyone can say oh everyone talked about it, and then tell me I'm taking it out of context.

I ask this with no ill-intent in mind but, are you OK? It is DISGUSTING?! Conspiracy theories akin to these have been talked about since time immemorial.... you want to quote Caesar, well there is a perfect example...conspiracy theories will always be alive and well and highly talked about in many circles, this NWO is no different.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I bet you haven't done a dime's worth of research on the subject.
I call you out buster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*I* bet you know so little about me or what I have or have not researched that were I to actually tell you, you may well feel pretty silly, however, I have nothing to prove to you.

You know, every morning when I was a child, my mother used to wake me with this very particular phrase: "Wake up honey! It's a Bright New Morning!" but, I have heard that phrase uttered by priests, pastors, presidents, mayors, assemblymen, cops, thieves, mormoms, and jews. I have never once in my life believed there was some nefarious BNM cigar-smoking group that looked to destroy our natural order of dismay and misery and inject their mind-bending faux happiness into it. I took it at face value for what it was, a statement that described the change of state. (if that part eludes you, that would be from dark - nighttime- to light - a bright new morning)

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard


And when do youd think the TSA is going to change their policy? When they know that people will put up with it? That people will say oh it's not really so bad? When people on this board can judge people like me who just want to nudge the sleeping giant and get sandblasted for it?

reply to post by alphabetaone

Picking at my cocoa puffs? Things were still relatively normal then, ya know before JFK was assassinated. Yah I bet you and all your co workers talked about the NWO around the water cooler! The fact that we are having this conversation at all, that you are sitting here judging me the whole time and telling me what am I doing or not doing about, tells me so much about you.
First you raged at me that I am just talking here and must not be doing anything about it, then you raged at me for being a fanatic just for being vocal and wanting to cut through all the baloney today of this silly discussion about whether they are using the back of the hand, or whether the parents should or should not have done more, or whether the TSA really meant to touch inappropriately. All of that is uselss chatter when people are going to gripe at anyone who wants to cut through it.

I took it at face value for what it was, a statement that described the change of state. (if that part eludes you, that would be from dark - nighttime- to light - a bright new morning)

That is how you took Bush's words on the New World Order? Then that is part of the problem here. You took his words that we need a New World Order and that is that. You have now taken the guesswork out of your worldview for me.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Next, if you even had a thimble full of disgust with this, you wouldn't have to rail at me because you would already know that they have so much control that we cannot just say oh no don't do that.

You are claiming that simply because I don't ascribe to your theory of nefarious group du jour, that I condone this type of activity. You should really stop making knee-jerk decisions about who your friends are and who your enemies are.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So, I ask, why are you browbeating me?

Madame or Sir, whichever the case may be, if you trust in nothing else at all, trust in this... if I were beating you in ANY fashion what so ever, you would know it, I'm not.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

First you raged at me that I am just talking here and must not be doing anything about it, then you raged at me for being a fanatic just for being vocal and wanting to cut through all the baloney today of this silly discussion about whether they are using the back of the hand, or whether the parents should or should not have done more, or whether the TSA really meant to touch inappropriately. All of that is uselss chatter when people are going to gripe at anyone who wants to cut through it.

Hahahaha, rage? A little introspection is in order. Show me rage.... I guarantee you, you dont have what it takes and it would take a WHOLE lot more to affect rage in me. I'm just not the type.

This is disgusting... I cannot believe the things the TSA can get away with.

reply to post by Sparky63

Whether that type of touch is sexual or not depends on the mindset of the person doing the touching.There is no way you or anyone for that matter can know what is going on the mind of the TSA agent or the child.

The same could be said about the observer(s) of this video. Some will watch the video and see it as sexual, others won't. Often it has to do with one's own background; a person that was sexually molested as a child might well freak out if they are still carrying unresolved baggage in their psyche.

And then there are the sensationalists who would object to a child wearing a crucifix to school because "it may offend someone".

Israel has the safest airline in the world..El Al. Why? Because they profile. No PC crap. They don't grope little kids, old ladies, old men and hot babes in mini-skirts with no place to put a bomb. This has more to do with conditioning than security. One day they are going to pull this with the wrong person and a TSA agent is going to end up on the wrong side of the dirt.

reply to post by northexpedition


Welcome to 1984...................the NWO is already here while the majority of you sheeple were distracted or asleep.

Don't say, when you stand there and watch your five year old grand child being felt up you were not warned.

So many people here on ATS have knocked people like David Icke and Alex Jones that this was coming and so many of you chastised the very people that were trying to warn you meanwhile accepting that 911 was not a false flag operation condoned by the real powers that be.

And no Virginia there is no Santa Claus.

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No excuses................freedom doesn't come cheap.

No on the fence on this one.

You fly and you support and condone this loss of freedom to body privacy.

We are being conditioned to being treated like cattle.

Battlefield Earth isn't too far off.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Why do you think POTUS wants sex ed for kindergartners? I Knew this before he was elected.
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The groping is implemented by the pedophilic, depraved minds of the Illuminati who have a whole society built around the most disgusting filthy behavior imaginable.
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Are you one of those people who denies the existence of the NWO ? They are hiding it in plain view. They all talk about it now upfront. Even Obama has said it out in the open.
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Obama said he wanted to give people "a stake in the kind of World Order I think we all would like". This is not accidental. These people are talking to their fellow NWO associates when they say stuff like this.

Are you saying that Obama is a pedophile? And that this 'groping' was part of a grand plan, and that Obama passes some type of messages when he speaks?

This is news to me!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

 

And when do youd think the TSA is going to change their policy? When they know that people will put up with it? That people will say oh it's not really so bad? When people on this board can judge people like me who just want to nudge the sleeping giant and get sandblasted for it?

I predict that the will stop doing searches when they stop getting paid. The only way that they'll do that is if/when we all agree not to hold them responsible for such a despicable act.

As long as folks want to always blame someone for anything bad that might happen to them we will have problems.

this is one of the main reasons i stopped booking flights with stop overs in the states, i would rather pay a few extra dollars to avoid this.

if i ever do come into a situation like this, i would go nude and do a twirl to show i got nothing on me XD

reply to post by Caji316

WTF? This is just plain wrong.. Damn, like a little six year old is going to have a bomb on her.

Coming into the debate late, but with a vengeance eh? I think you, and most others, are misunderstanding my perspective. I'm only pointing out the facts as they stand and the problems with the alternatives. I'm not advocating any particular stance, so with that preface, let's continue.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
No no no Jethro! It is not that we are going to them and we expect blah blah blah blahblah! Business people must travel for their companies. It is not like we are all traveling for luxury. People are traveling for different things, maybe their beloved relative just died, or had an accident and in hospital in a different State.

At the end of the day these are choices that are made rather than one being forced to fly.

The point here is not that we must accept groping because we are coming to them and have to take whatever they dish out. That is not even the free market, it is allowing ourselves to be subjected to the demands of the NWO, because that is who is implementing all this, it's not the free market demands

I'm not saying that at all, but as to the free market, I'm a fan of it myself but we can not forget the drawbacks of a free market. They exist and must be taken into account since removing government will bring about these types of problems and while they differ from the government related ones, they will still exist.

My point is that it's not all sunshine and roses on the other side of the coin, even though the private side is my official position. We must remain realistic.

That is what you and others simply don't seem to get. You may be a very nice person, but like many others, you do not yet understand the level of depravity of the Illuminati.This groping is what it is. Stop lying to yourself to keep a level of normality to your life.

Oh I get it and this isn't my first time at the rodeo. I don't put stock in the Illuminati theories and don't really have to. Whatever you call them, those with huge wallets, they will remain a problem in or out of a free market and you have to come to realize that.

This whole groping thing is disgusting and the gentlemen and ladies of a former era would never have seen it as ok or acceptable. The Illuminati have been chipping away at our idea of what is normal on a mass level for decades now with tv shows presenting women with the most revealing clothing and billboards with sexy women and sex on tv and violence and all sorts of disgusting things that in the 50s would have shocked society and did shock society.

Times remain about the same once all things are considered. Some things get better and some get worse. Sexual perversion isn't some new device being used against us, it's what people ask for and want and it's always been that way. Perhaps now it's just talked about more in the open.

As for the rest of your post, we can discuss that in a more appropriate thread, but as for this topic, I've seen nothing to indicate that this is molestation or groping by definition. If you oppose the government encroachment then that is a perfectly valid point of view, but if you are already of that position then nothing they do while performing those unwanted duties is generally a moot point.

We will get farther by opposing them on the basis of their assertion of right to that authority rather than on each little instance of perceived abuse. This is how debates are kept going in perpetuity rather than ideas formed on solutions of the root of the issue. We run around and around about small instances and get all emotional about an unemotional topic.

Then we lose again because they can do the dance all day.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard
reply to post by mishigas

 

There are already cases in the middle east of women and teenagers wearing bombs. To think that a really determined bad guy wouldn't use a child is naive.

Something I haven't seen in this thread is the mention of what lead to people wearing bombs. Pretty much boils down to people with destroyed lives that want to get even. They can't wage an "official" war like the wealthy countries. Maybe the solution to this whole situation is to stop killing people that our government tells us too. Violence begets violence.

Peace

Yah, and that little girl was soooo middle eastern looking.... nope this is a case where the pc compliant liberals in charge of this fiasco do not want to upset anyone or get CAIR on their case for discrimination.

reply to post by KrazyJethro


Jethro, I am not even focusing on each little instance of abuse. I know they have a set of protocols that says, oh little girl wont go through machine we have to do a pat down. What happened was that this was a response to the supposed underwear bomber, and so the response of DHS is to instruct airport security to do the "enhanced pat-downs", and this enhanced version is what I am opposed to. It is only part of the tactic of instilling fear in the society.
I wasn't actually late to the party. I was revisiting this thread and have watched as people keep defending this nonsense from Janet Napolitano who insisted that Tea Partiers are domestic terrorists and are putting them on their lists. I see this as systemic from her and others POTUS has around him. But it didnt start with Obama of course. He just escalated it. Did the PATRIOT ACT giving the FBI the right to come into your home and download your stuff off your hard drive without your knowledge stop that kid from Yemen from getting on a plane and potentially bringing down an aircraft? It didn't? Ok well I guess that means they have to have airport security run their hands along the inside of a girls pants to stop that guy from Yemen? How far will they take it?

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

 

And when do youd think the TSA is going to change their policy? When they know that people will put up with it? That people will say oh it's not really so bad? When people on this board can judge people like me who just want to nudge the sleeping giant and get sandblasted for it?

I predict that the will stop doing searches when they stop getting paid. The only way that they'll do that is if/when we all agree not to hold them responsible for such a despicable act.

As long as folks want to always blame someone for anything bad that might happen to them we will have problems.

You know Im not even blaming TSA, I think they are really just doing what they are told by DHS. It's top down. The current admin is horribly Totalitarian. Mussolini coined that term. It's always for our own good. It's for our own good they have to regulate the fat content of Happy Meals.