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Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” - Buddha
Originally posted by RRokkyy
Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” - Buddha
Buddha says: The Mind is Irrelevant
Information is only an abstract thing. Thing's don't inherently hold information unless there is something there that can make conscious use of information.
Originally posted by Xtraeme
reply to post by Matrix Rising
"Consciousness is a Quantum Entity"
A couple months ago I had a pretty interesting thought,
"Beingness is a conscious focus." Think about it!
--According to Craig Hogan (a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois), GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time -- i.e., the point where space-time stops behaving like the smooth continuum Einstein described and instead dissolves into "grains" just as a newspaper photograph dissolves into dots as you zoom in.
---The holograms that you find on credit cards and banknotes are etched on 2-dimensional plastic films. When light bounces off them, it recreates the appearance of a 3-D image. In the 1990s, physicists Leonard Susskind and Nobel prizewinner Gerard 't Hooft suggested that the same principle might apply to the Universe as a whole.
---Theorists have since shown that microscopic quantum ripples at the event horizon can encode the information inside the black hole. So there is no mysterious information loss as the black hole evaporates.
Crucially, this provides a deep physical insight. The 3-D information about a precursor star can be completely encoded in the 2-D horizon of the subsequent black hole -- not unlike the 3-D image of an object being encoded in a 2-D hologram.
---What's more, work by several string theorists -- most notably Juan Maldacena at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton -- has confirmed that the idea is on the right track. He showed that the physics inside a hypothetical universe with 5 dimensions and shaped like a Pringle is the same as the physics taking place on the 4-dimensional boundary
---According to Hogan, the Holographic Principle radically changes our picture of space-time. Theoretical physicists have long believed that quantum effects will cause space-time to convulse wildly on the tiniest scales. At this magnification, the fabric of space-time becomes grainy and is ultimately made of tiny units rather like pixels but a hundred billion billion times smaller than a proton. This distance is known as the Planck length (a mere 10-35 meters. The Planck length is far beyond the reach of any conceivable experiment. So nobody dared dream that the graininess of space-time might be discernable.
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On January 15, 2009, it was reported in New Scientist that some yet unidentified noise that was present in the GEO 600 detector measurements might be because the instrument is sensitive to extremely small quantum fluctuations of space-time affecting the positions of parts of the detector.[3] This claim was made by Craig Hogan, a scientist from Fermilab, on the basis of his own theory of how such fluctuations should occur motivated by the holographic principle.[4]
The New Scientist story states that Hogan sent his prediction of "holographic noise" to the GEO 600 collaboration in June 2008, and subsequently received a plot of the excess noise which "looked exactly the same as my prediction". However, Hogan knew before that time that the experiment was finding excess noise. Hogan's article published in Physical Review D in May 2008 states: "The approximate agreement of predicted holographic noise with otherwise unexplained noise in GEO 600 motivates further study."[5] Hogan cites a 2007 talk from the GEO 600 collaboration which already mentions "mid-band 'mystery' noise", and where the noise spectra are plotted.[6] A similar remark was made ("In the region between 100 Hz and 500 Hz a discrepancy between the uncorrelated sum of all noise projections and the actual observed sensitivity is found.") in a GEO 600 paper submitted in October 2007 and published in May 2008.[7]
It is also a very common occurrence for gravitational wave detectors to find excess noise that is subsequently eliminated. According to Karsten Danzmann, the GEO 600 principal investigator, "The daily business of improving the sensitivity of these experiments always throws up some excess noise (...). We work to identify its cause, get rid of it and tackle the next source of excess noise."[3] Additionally, some new estimates of the level of holographic noise in interferometry show that it must be much smaller in magnitude than was claimed by Hogan.[8]
Everything (universe) is connected by consciousness. Reality is not limited to the physical world of matter and time, thus the observation of consciousness should be taken much more seriously in the scientific community.
Consciousness transcends the material world (especially apparent if you've ever had a lucid dreaming experience), yet individual perspective is allowed to come back to the material world when in an awake state. Therefore, the material being is the antenna connecting your observation of consciousness between different states of being.
All objects contain information. If the fundamental constants didn't have certain set quantities we'd have a very different universe. That suggests materiality is codependent on information or that information precedes manifestation. Just read papers like Dr. Tegmark's Mathematical Universe Hypothesis that argues for the ERH.
Also I'd be curious, what's your take on the delayed choice quantum eraser? Instrumentation problem (decoherence) or retrocausality? As best as I can decipher "will" is a causal structure to collapse a probabilistic state. Meaning that "will" is stochastic but bounded and therefore probabilistically computable. This would seem to suggest that life has a direct parallel to transcendental numbers (i.e. unpredictable, computable, irrational, but fixed).
I understand physical information and how it applies to physics
Sirnex, I like you. You've always struck me as level-headed and rational. In all our conversations the biggest thing we've both struggled to grapple with are concepts of determinism versus choice.
So please understand, I think you misunderstood my point. I was attempting to illustrate that there may be several pathways that cause a wave collapse (retrocausal *and* decoherence). "Will" can then be seen as an additional causal structure. Deciphering which is which is the real question. Better tests are needed.
I think what you really mean here is that we understand reality as containing information and the scientific method coupled with the axiomatic method show a direct correlation but there exists some yet unknown nebulous divider.
By trying to distinguish between pure thought forms as separate from the information encoded in physical material is to define what exactly? That the brains consciousness is nonphysical? In this you have the making of a paradox. The simple way to evaluate the causal line between physicality and information (both categories as you would divide it) is to throw out compartmentalization and accept that there's an inextricable link where the dependency graph tilts in favor of platonic reality not tangible existence.
Good thread, I completely agree with you and have often wondered why people hadnt realized this yet, that information is more archaic than matter. s/f for you!
Originally posted by sirnex
I don't believe that consciousness is non-physical as it depends entirely upon how the physical brain and it's five senses operate. We can't escape this small fact. People born blind are born blind, that aspect of reality is entirely unknown to them and yet, the visual aspects of reality still indeed exist regardless, ask anyone who was born with sight and they can confirm this. Reality itself doesn't care if we observe it or if we observe it a certain way. It's still there just as it always was before we even evolved to invent concepts of idealistic fantastical magic worlds.
I disagree. The way the five senses operate has little to do with what consciousness actually is. I suggest you research the "hard problem" of consciousness. There have been many materialist theories on what consciousness is of course, but none of them actually address or completely explain the rich inner life that we all experience.
It is my bet that it comes down to a level where information and matter are essentially one and the same thing.
The interesting thing about informational or digital physics is it can connect to the ideas of consciousness much better than newtonian material physics.
The only difference between his theory and your theory is that more scientists publicly back yours (safety with the herd). However, neither one has been proven, and we both know popularity and truth are not equivalent.
dont be so abrasive, we're all having fun with conjecture.
Which guy are you referencing, did you watch them all?
And then check out other videos like the double slit experiment, then the quantum eraser.