Anti-Masons...What if?

Your knowledge of the Freemason is limited.

They swear and to keep secret there oath.

Both of which the Bible clearly says not to do.

reply to post by thegasface


How is it that triangles and pyramids can possibly brainwash someone, and why are you somehow able to avoid this manipulation but others are vulnerable to it? Further, why would you post a video that you believe brainwashes people to a forum for others to view and presumably come under the control of those you think are perpetuating this coercive persuasion?

If it were true that pyramids hold this power I would think that the Egyptians would have maintained their ancient religion and never would have become Coptic Christians or Muslims.

reply to post by no1smootha


first of all when did i say i was invulnerable to it. if you knew anything about brainwashing youd know that repeating symbols brainwashes the subconscious. dont you think its strange that along with the triangles there are dancers in martial law gear?

reply to post by iLoGiCViZiOnS




As I would eat an elephant, I'll take this one bite at a time.

Yes there are a lot of very charitable Masonic Halls and Masons.....but if one man has millions even billions of dollars and gives another less fortunate man some food to eat then what did he give him but yet another day of agony in his currently pathetic life?

A hand up is not always a hand out. There is such a thing as personal responsiblity. That cant be given.
Its from the inside.
Welfare is another form of slavery.
Take for instance a family is down on their luck and Dad is a POS. You can still feed them. If they're dead of starvation or exposure, no good has come of it.

Its one whom lends himself to another unconditionally and without a price to show for it that one can truly breath hope into another that is less fortunate than he.

What price? Shriners Hospital asks for no money. That comes from dues from member masons.

The Masons do nothing but feed off the less fortunate and throw them crumbs of a very big slice of cake. Of course they think they are better then us, even to the point of selective breeding for their offspring if they can help it. I am not talking about your everyday Mason either because they are small potatoes. I am talking about the elite group of Masons. They keep secrets in dark places but they are being misled and will be judged accordingly.

What is your source for "selective breeding"? I know a few ranking masons with kids. Other than choose to marry within their own race and mental compatibility, they didnt marry anyone special. Special to them but only as much as any other wedded pair.

Secrets in dark places? Sounds like a good place to loose said secrets . If they are secret, then how do you know they exist and that they are hidden?

We all will be judged oneday for the way we lived our life here on earth and can only hope that we will have something to show for it. Its not easy and everyone is expected to make mistakes, its human. It's what we do and how we process those mistakes that will either create us in balance with our creator or simply not.

There was a point in my life that I didn't give a S#$% what his plans were because I am the one that is living right here right now going through all this crap, but then I realized that his plans are far better then any I could dream up on my own so I would be a fool not to get on board with it........he is a loving designer and I can repect and honor that

I agree that we will all be judged. We shall ALL be found wanting as well. Thats why I believe in reincarnation. I do also agree that The Maker is loving but also strict. If you foul up, you must make ammends but not for eternity. That wouldnt be very loving.

Originally posted by thegasface
reply to post by no1smootha

 

first of all when did i say i was invulnerable to it. if you knew anything about brainwashing youd know that repeating symbols brainwashes the subconscious. dont you think its strange that along with the triangles there are dancers in martial law gear?

There isn't any empirical evidence that repetition "brainwashes" the subconscious. Don't you think it is more likely that the creative director of the video has the same belief in conspiracy theory that you do?

reply to post by 051r15


From your own post,

PROPAGANDA DUE, or P2 MASONIC LODGE:
Propaganda Due, or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic or "black" or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Italian constitutional laws banning secret lodges, and membership of government officials in secret membership organizations) from 1976 to 1981.

Their charter was withdrawn. Right there they are now clandestine by the Mother Lodge.

pseudo masonic

covert

operating illegally?

There you go bubba!

reply to post by no1smootha


Have you ever played Tetris?

that DOES mess you up

I cant go to bed afterwards without seeing those dang things and putting them in place! AAAAAAAAAAAARGG!

You know what? I bet those bad old masons made that game!

Just to keep us all on the level.

reply to post by ACTS 2:38


Um.

Ya know your sig?

He was a mason.

just sayin

BTW, I agree with and dig your sig!

Originally posted by dantanna
albert pike, the most 'celebrated' mazon was a sociopathic racist scumbag who demanded three world wars from his followers.

That's a hoax, thoroughly and completely debunked here (by no friend of the Masons, I might add...)

Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes
it's just a question, what if?
What if you woke up tomorrow, and found out the Freemasons were actually the safekeepers of christian knowledge?
how about the guardians of Christs bloodline? what about something so significant, the world would never be the same? would you feel stupid for stating they're evil? would you change your thinking on the group? or still be ignorant?

The people who believe in Jesus know that the Masons are going to pretend to be the saviors of the world.......thats what it says in the Bible, it also says that most people on earth will believe it, but that there will only be a few left that don't.

I will be one of the few.........

They can say whatever they want, and the evidence that they will have in fact was already manufactured thousands of years ago by the fallen ones who know their time is short here. Will you be so easily misled by them human?

I don't think the majority of the people here who talk about Masons know the reality behind them because if they did it might not be so easy to sleep at night!

edit on 10-4-2011 by iLoGiCViZiOnS because: (no reason given)

... thats all i got

reply to post by no1smootha


yes of course it can just be the creative director. it can go either way. point is your trying to disprove my statement when it is just my opinion. since you dont know the directors intention you cant say
that im wrong. as an intelligent being i acknowledge your opinion and know that there is always multiple possibilities so stop trying to prove an opinion wrong when you have no facts to your argument.

does anyone wknow WHEN you join the freemasons You are joining to be a better man, a more productive man, a man that does better for himself and improves his life all around.... if they make connections WHILE improving there life ...then that how the world works....freemasons are never stuck in a rut during life....BEING A BETTER MAN IS THE MOTTO

reply to post by SOUTHERNSMS


yes just found that out after doing real research. all these youtubes say they are evil. half the people that claim they are "awake" base there opinions off of videos that someone else made. there are some truths in the video so i would say there half asleep lol

Originally posted by felonius
reply to post by 051r15

 

From your own post,

PROPAGANDA DUE, or P2 MASONIC LODGE:
Propaganda Due, or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic or "black" or "covert" lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Italian constitutional laws banning secret lodges, and membership of government officials in secret membership organizations) from 1976 to 1981.

Their charter was withdrawn. Right there they are now clandestine by the Mother Lodge.

pseudo masonic

covert

operating illegally?

There you go bubba!

And yet you still miss the point: the only reason it was declared "illegal" is because the Italian Constitution forbade secret lodges. This still does not excuse the American lodges, who operate under the same principles, with powerful men at their head and no laws forbidding their practice. I know you, and others would love to claim that the P2 lodge was entirely illegal from its inception, but that simply was not the case. Besides, you inadvertently grant too much leniency to the Bush dynasty and their proven CIA connections, as well as their Nazi / I.G. Farben roots. If I can point out just one rat in their midst, what does this say about the whole? Everywhere I look, I see evil, greedy, corrupt men inside Freemasonry --even my local consistory is headed by the president of a local bank. They invite police, politicians, and judges to join their friendly club. Just as another poster said earlier, this doesn't spell out an honestly intended business, and it appears to be more like a mafia than an extracurricular activity for socialites.

I especially love how folks come on forums like this and proclaim the internet to be nothing more than a disinformation highway, and only the true insiders of Freemasons have all the answers. Trust them, right? Trust you? Why should I --the internet is a means for people all over the globe to share information instantly, and despite its minor drawbacks (government propaganda mainly), it is a valuable source to be tapped and used for all its worth. No secret can stand the light of discovery --and THIS is all the Freemasons FEAR, right down to their very CORE. We will be fooled no longer. We are not your "serfs" to be ruled and managed. We are not your property. So go ahead, continue to follow your "enlightened" grandmaster and feel special with your "royal" title, believing you are the descendant of some ancient royal line or the protector of virtue and all that is good in the world. I know MY place, and it is to defend liberty and the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and masonic.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Wow. I've never seen this video.

I was raised in '89. I was fortunate enough to have my grandfather,uncle and many family friends there to witness all three initiations. It was amazing to put it lightly.

Its things like this that remind us that we have "feet of clay". I try to do right by all things but still fall short.

I suppose that is the bane of being human.

reply to post by 051r15


if you havent been to their meetings you cant say they are evil or "mafia" like. in fact you really cant say much about them if you personally have not learned anything about them. you say they invite police and politicians to become members like if its bad thing. are you trying to say that all policemen and politicians are corrupt or evil? the internet is an information highway. there is good information and just as much false information. but w.e keep fearing the evil boogeymen freemasons that are going to come out of your closet and suck out your soul. the rest of us will have rational opinions on this topic by reading about BOTH sides of the story and analyzing them.

reply to post by 051r15

So which bank presidents are Masons? Can you name their Lodge, date of initiation, and any notable positions. 

Who in the police do we have in our rolls?

To make such accusations without evidence is irresponsible and nothing short of fear mongering.

reply to post by Atlantican

Lucifer never claims Lucifer as his savior. In Morals & Dogma, he refers to Lucifer as gaining knowledge, enlightenment. Plus many of us here have discussed the Lucifer mistranslation in depth to include the Bible's description of Jesus as a morning star, a light bearer, a Lucifer.

reply to post by 051r15

Well, the video will have to wait until I'm done with work as I'm currently on my iPod and the Internet is really slow.

reply to post by thegasface

They do. It's the Star at the top of the post.

reply to post by iLoGiCViZiOnS

The Masons do give charity without condition. Millions are given daily and those recipients would greatly disagree with your assertions.

Who composes this elite? What degree do you become "elite". And where do they discuss selective breeding? And if we "small potato" Masons don't know about, then how do you know?

reply to post by 051r15

P2 was a rogue Lodge.

freemasonry.bcy.ca...

reply to post by PrinceDreamer

Like I said previous in this post, how does a non-member think he knows more than the actual members? Do you think yourself so clever and the majority of Masons that ignorant?

Can you give a better description of how the hierarchy works?

We do not take Oaths to place the Lodge above all other things. In fact we stress to our members that God, country, and family/friends comes before the Lodge. As Master, two of my officers told me a quarter into the year that they were going to be absent for family issues. I told them I'd see them when they could. Especially those with children I encourage to spend time with them. 

We hardly have the entire judicial audience sitting in the Lodge.  Nor would they do such an unethical thing as the Lodge is not the place for such things. Do you have proof to the contrary? Freemasonry doesn't oppose your duty in the political life.

reply to post by dantanna

A swing and a miss

reply to post by KSigMason


can you clarify what you are referring to. sorry :/

reply to post by KSigMason


and can you give me any advice on how to become a freemason. I plan to visit a local lodge and want to make a good impression.