Whistle-blower Gets $4.5 Million Award From IRS

If I were into shady dealings...I would let my employees know from the first day they work for me. I would want them to understand that I didnt give a # about the government and had no intention of being at all honest about my gains. If they had a moral objection to that I would ask them to be on their way. If the person said that they too had no issue with lying to Uncle Sam then I would make sure that they understand that if I am willing to risk my freedom in this manner then I would also be willing to risk my freedom in other....more sinister way. Disloyalty is not a virtue and while some may applaud people for "doing the right thing" there are people who are locked away...without due process....for doing just that. Screw that. If anyone finks on me and my clandestine doings I will do as my government taught me to do and have them dealt with....with a second gunman on a nearby grassy knoll for insurance.

reply to post by irsuccubus


I guess as long as everyone is on the same page... Lol.

*Fun fact: it was the IRS that brought Capone down, not the FBI.

**Be very good to the one who manages (or hides?) your money.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The Rothschild/Bauer family "thinks" they own everything, when will we take them all out and hang them?

The truth shall set us free, just don't know when that will be!!

Originally posted by daddio

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Whatever. You know what is perfectly clear to me after reading this thread? That you have exactly the leaders you deserve. The majority of you in this thread.

You are not morally bankrupt because your leaders are corrupt. Your leaders are corrupt because you are morally bankrupt. The whole idea that laws and ethics are these fuzzy things that you only follow if they are convenient that several of you are preaching in here? Thats exactly what your leaders are telling themselves as they gut our nation.

Pot.......kettle.........black.

Well said, and to repsond to "Realtruth', NO we did not elect our "leaders", they were appointed by the electoral college, which needs to be disbanded and eliminated and buried and to never again see the light of day. People are duped into believing that because they vote, they surrender ALL rights to life and liberty, which is the fraud. So yea, NO these are NOT "MY" leaders, but criminals.

I have no idea what your rambling about but we do not live in a democracy. We live in a corporate republic and the electorate college usually follows the popular vote pattern. Obviously the entire system is flawed since the first ammendment allows corporations to donate as much money as they want to the campaign process.

There used to be limits to how much money could be donated but then the republicans undid that in the supreme court during the bush era. Yes democrats are slightly better than republicans and I am sticking to it......

reply to post by LadySkadi


all the more reason to learn the pertinent information about the tax code and be able to manage a lot of it yourself, without having to include the accountant unless you need a signature, hire an accountant who has a similar mindset or who is afraid enough of being put through a sausage grinder to run his trap....or operate completely within the underground economy. Millions of Americans choose that last option.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I am a bit intoxicated right now, but try and think outside the 2 party box. And for legal puposes....

United States Code
TITLE 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 1 - MONOPOLIES AND COMBINATIONS IN RESTRAINT OF TRADE § 7.
"Person" or "persons" defined
The word "person", or "persons", wherever used in sections 1 to 7 of this title shall be deemed to include corporations and associations existing under or authorized by the laws of either the United States, the laws of any of the Territories, the laws of any State, or the laws of any foreign country. (Emphasis added.)

And here is another good one!!!

See, juridical persons

Entity (such as a firm) other than a natural person (human being) created by law and recognized as a legal entity having distinct identity, legal personality, and duties and rights. Also called artificial person, juridical entity, juristic person, or legal person. See also body corporate.

See, people don;t understand the symantecs of it all, and the government of every country WANTS it that way, the minute YOU find out the truth and chose NOT to follow the BS, the minute you are actually FREE!!!
I know I am a bit intoxicated but isn't this fun!!!!

Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by irsuccubus

 

I guess as long as everyone is on the same page... Lol.

*Fun fact: it was the IRS that brought Capone down, not the FBI.

**Be very good to the one who manages (or hides?) your money.

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With all due respect that is nothing to brag about though........

How many criminals have been brought down this way rather than the fbi? Hint:
Federal Beaurou of Investigation should take charge, no? When someone robs your house, you gonna call the IRS? LMAO

Originally posted by irsuccubus
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

all the more reason to learn the pertinent information about the tax code and be able to manage a lot of it yourself, without having to include the accountant unless you need a signature, hire an accountant who has a similar mindset or who is afraid enough of being put through a sausage grinder to run his trap....or operate completely within the underground economy. Millions of Americans choose that last option.

edit on 9-4-2011 by irsuccubus because: (no reason given)

Dude, file a 1041, YOU are the beneficiary of the "trust" created from your name in all capital letters at BIRTH!!! I do it, it pisses the IRS off and they take forever to get back to me!! But it is the only way to go!! Look here!!!

loveforlife.com.au...

Originally posted by Realtruth


You sound like your some type of saint, by the way your addressing us here.

Lol. How crappy your morals must be that comparatively you think I am making myself out to be a saint. What you dont seem to understand is "law" is moralitys bare minimum. "Law" is "morality for dummies." Its written for the WORST of humans, as a line in the sand below which they are being told explicitly they cannot fall without consequence. Any normal human being operates way above that minimum line.

You know, since you want to get all Biblical on my ass, like Jesus said,

Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

There is a big difference between a "saint' and a "philosopher." But I chose my profession because ethics matter to me. No one goes into philosophy for the pay. Or the prestige. If the fact that I actually DO care about ethics makes you feel bad about yourself, tough *snip* Im no saint, and no one is stopping you from being a more ethical person but you. But Im not going to let you pretend that the standards I set for myself are some superhuman out of reach *snip* things that no mere mortal can aspire to. They arent. I happen to have been privileged in my life to meet many ethical people, and rather than do what YOU are doing, and console myself by pretending they really werent ethical, I used them as a target and aimed higher myself.

Its all the kind of person you are, and want to be.


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Well put in the last post, and one more here!! Just to put the proverbial nail in the coffin as it were, wine and all that jazz....

In the interpretation of statutes levying taxes it is the established rule not to extend their provisions, by implication, beyond the clear import of the language used, or to enlarge their operations so as to embrace matters not specifically pointed out. In case of doubt they are construed most strongly against the government, and in favor of the citizen. United States v. Wigglesworth, 2 Story, 369, Fed. Cas. No. 16,690; American Net & Twine Co. v. Worthington, 141 U.S. 468, 474 , 12 S. Sup. Ct. 55; Benziger v. United States, 192 U.S. 38, 55 , 24 S. Sup. Ct. 189.

I could cite cases here all day long, but the fact remains, the IRS is an Illegal and corrupt organization which has NO jurisdiction OVER the people of this world, no matter what country you live in!!

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


If your as "ethical" as you think you are then you would not be encouraging people to be 100% honest with a government that is 80% dishonest. Worst of all you are a hypocrite of the worst kind. At least I said I will pay the bare minimum to stay out of jail.

Only a foul treats a criminal fairly(such as our government) and I am no ones fool. Have a nice day sir!

You call yourself a "Philosopher"? but yet you laugh at what people have to say. And again by your comments you show your true moral colors, some would call this hypocritical.

"Law" Laws are for people that follow them, those that don't could care less about them, believe me I have put many of those types of people behind bars.

And you call yourself a philosopher, but a true philosopher does not laugh at other comments, but appreciates them for what ever they maybe.

Let me remind you that the word "Philosophy", stems from two words, Philo and Sophia. Philo meaning the love of. and Sophia meaning wisdom. You seem to lack both, so a philosopher you are not.


Back on topic now.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Lol. How crappy your morals must be that comparatively you think I am making myself out to be a saint. What you dont seem to understand is "law" is moralitys bare minimum. "Law" is "morality for dummies." Its written for the WORST of humans, as a line in the sand below which they are being told explicitly they cannot fall without consequence. Any normal human being operates way above that minimum line.

I say good for him/her! (did it specify?)

I have a feeling this person would have been screwed otherwise. Someone has to blame someone when something goes wrong, and who better to blame than an accountant when it's money involved? Perhaps they were going to be audited soon anyway, and he knew something that he was not involved and did not want to be involved in. Its unknown whether he actually knew he would get 4.5 million so I can't 100% say he was all morally motivated but hey, I'm sure they had their reasons. Otherwise he wouldnt have kept on it.

This totally sucks. The IRS owes millions of people money.

It is interesting to see all the people here who are clapping and think this accountant a hero of sorts,,
Yes,, the company '''owed'' alot... as they should in a fair system,, but our tax system is hardly fair.
If I had the resource to have the lawyers, and tax accountants,, my tax would be zero too ,, like GE and the Bank of America .... but I don't,,,
so I am screwed from behind,,, when I barely can make ends meet,,, they come along and say I owe them.

I too would happily pay,, if the system was even across the board,, but we all know it is not.
but people still pay into this broke system,,, out of fear ,,, because the IRS is coming to get me soon for my non payment.

I pay my property tax,,, and all the double taxes on food, gas and etc that we all pay daily going about our lives.
Corporations,,, they have the money to pay someone to sit all day to find ways around paying anything,,, because the TAX CODE is written for them.. There was even a section once for just one company,,, if I can find that info again I will post it,, but I am sure I read it here on ATS.
Anyway
SYSTEM BROKE
I am not paying into a system that EnSlaves me and that is what our Tax code does,, enslaves the Little man so the Top 1% can live free. Warren Buffet at least is a billionaire who admits this and points out the fact his paid help pay more taxes than he does,,, now which of you can say that is correct and the way it should be??
Give me a break,, all those out there who are screaming at the likes of me,, because I say STOP PAYING
You are part of the Problem
I know it is not the best way to go,,, as most likely I will end up with nothing and possibly in jail.
But,, I will stand on my moral ground regardless of what the Sheeple think or say.
You are Slaves to a BROKE SYSTEM

SAD SAD SAD

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23

Corporations,,, they have the money to pay someone to sit all day to find ways around paying anything,,, because the TAX CODE is written for them.. There was even a section once for just one company,,, if I can find that info again I will post it,, but I am sure I read it here on ATS.

You guys really dont seem to realize, the reason the system is broke, is because of the sheer number of people who think that because someone else is cheating, the answer is for them to cheat too, rather than to insist the cheater play fair.

Its wrong minded. You can NEVER get a good and just society by falling to the lowest common denominator. Do you think that because corporations pay no or little taxes that means that they will advocate for YOU to pay no taxes? You are crazy if you think that. They need infrastructure. They need a military to protect the resources they are stealing around the globe, they need a police force to enforce property laws and ensure no one takes their stuff, and they dont want to pay for that. They want YOU to. Even if you gut the IRS which will ensure that THEY do not pay, a way to tax YOU, to tax US, the little people will be found. All you would be accomplishing is destroying the government that COULD protect you if you and your parents and grandparents hadnt been so lax and irresponsible.

The answer is not to cut the throat of the government that is supposed to be of the people by not paying taxes. The answer is to get active in supporting the government and ensuring it represents the people, and by slowly and methodically removing the roots of corporate corruption from government. Many of the same people who complain about how unfair it is that corporations get around the rules helped insure those corporations COULD get around those rules, by voting carelessly or not voting at all.

The answer is not to destroy the government because it has cancer. The answer is to treat the cancer and restore the government to health.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Actually she is not and the issue here has nothing to do with the financial crisis.

The accountant was in a position to know that his firm was cheating on taxes. Essentially that improved the balance sheet by the amount of the taxes, hence the firm was being purposefully over valued. If he know that and did nothing, he is in violation of federal law. The lead financial person in a firm under Sarbanes/Oxley is required to sign and certify the financials of the firm along with the CEO, so by not reporting it, he would be subject to significant fines and jail.

The infrastructure of a modern firm makes it such that there is discoverable material out there. Memos, e-mails, etc. Even if the firm was not subject to Sar/Box, he could easily have felt that the firm was behaving in a reckless manner and ultimately would get caught, hence he needed to blow the whistle to protect himself.

As far as the major financial institutions and their melt down, it had nothing to do with Sarbanes/Oxley, taxes or anything of that nature. It had to do with the over valuation of assets and undervaluation of debt on these firms balance sheets (and those assets being actively traded in the market place). The accountant is not in the business of valuing assets or liabilites, he is given the valuation from others, in the case of a financial instrument, folks in the investment side of the shop and prepares the financial statements accordingly.

As you correctly mention however, Sarbanes/Oxley is a piece of garbage and does absolutely nothing to ensure that what you are seeing on the financial statements are in fact accurate. It is a multi-billion dollar boondoggle served up to the accounting and legal lobbies. The only thing Sarbanes/Oxley does is force firms to stay private rather than go public and thus be subject to its nonsense or list on a non-US exchange to avoid the BS.

If federal tax were not illegal I would be all for what he did but he just sounds like a non principled shmuck to me. Principles are standing up to unjust taxation which is only going to fund wars the public does not want and our debt which the government has incurred toward the banks that OWN it. Federal income tax does not go towards any services what so ever. And it was illegally implemented in 1913 through coercion without a majority. So screw this guy .

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If federal tax were not illegal I would be all for what he did but he just sounds like a non principled shmuck to me.

Corporate tax fraud/evasion is a-ok in your book, then?