Whistle-blower Gets $4.5 Million Award From IRS

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Question: if this case affected the firm's clients (think Madoff) and/or retirees (think Enron) as opposed to the IRS, would you feel different about them re-shuffling and hiding assets?

edit on 9-4-2011 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)

Your comparing apples to oranges!

I was making a statement on Ethics.

*This case/thread isn't about personal taxes, it's about Accounting Practices.
Just something to keep in mind.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Sadly man, its just the way it is. Its not the world id like to live, far from it, and its certainly not the world id ever envisioned we could all live in, but here we are all the same. I just kinda understand the hard nature and reality of the world we live in, and ultimatly, no one is perfect, it is ridiculous to believe otherwise. We all have our failings, its just understanding who falls prey to which failings in life.

Im sure you have plenty, most people do believe it or not.

reply to post by Johnze


Of course I have failings, but one of them is not that I betray my own ethics.

You have to be the world you want to live in, my friend. You know why the world is the way it is? Because of people like you. Who sink to the lowest common denominator instead of insisting the people around you rise to their potential. You know why the majority acts the way it does? Not because in your heart of hearts you want it to be this way, but because you all look at each other and follow what the crowd is doing rather than letting your own conscience be your guide. So a minority of jerks can make the whole mass behave badly because so few of you are self directed human beings.

And Im not saying that to make you feel bad. Im saying it because it is true.

If more people expected more of themselves, and more of each other, we would not be in this mess.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Sorry man, id say your rather delusional, however thats just my opinion based on what your saying. If you genuinley know you would sacrifice your life if it meant never compromising your "ethics", fair enough, i dont believe you, because personaly im not a fanatic nor do i have much of an ego, kinda admire your conviction maybe?, but still, if your content with that, hats off to you. Hope you never have to find out, though depending on your age im pretty sure you have bended your "ethics" on many occasion. How else do we find out what our ethics actualy are eh?

I read the article but it does not specify the firm. The IRS got $20 million and whistleblower netted $3.24 million from the gross $4.5 award payout. It must have been a small to medium company because the big boys get away with murder by declaring profits in bahamas, virgin islands, lichenstein, luxembourge, etc

Yes everyone should pay their taxes, but it does not mean we have to agree and/or like the tax codes. They have too many shortcommings to mention and could use lots of improvement!

reply to post by Johnze


Im old enough to know that death is certain. Its not an "if" its a "when." No true philosopher can fear death, and if they do have a little tremble in their knees when death comes calling they must choose to be true to themselves knocking knees and all. When my beliefs have changed or my ethics have been modified, it has been because I have learned something new, not because I am saving my own ass.

I have stood up for my beliefs and suffered negative consequences for it many times in my life. From getting in fights in school for people bullying others or harming animals to walking away from jobs and careers where I could have been very wealthy based on my talent, because I would not sell my soul for money.

When you face death, all you have is your integrity, and your own self regard. You better never underestimate the value of that. No material thing you own or could have owned will matter to you more in that moment than the person you are.

Originally posted by LadySkadi

*This case/thread isn't about personal taxes, it's about Accounting Practices.
Just something to keep in mind.

And accounting requires absolute honesty. Period. The guy did the right thing. And I am glad he got rewarded for doing the right thing. Often people pay a price for their honesty and integrity, and I am glad to see in his case doing the right thing paid off.

Another interesting tidbit about this case. Which adds a conspiratorial twist. The guy had been trying to tip off the IRS for years, and they ignored him. He had to get a lawyer to force the issue with the IRS and make them take action.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The man, who has declined to be identified, had originally filed the claim himself. But when more than two years had passed with no response from the IRS after numerous inquiries, he had hired the law firm, according to Accounting Today.

Mr Young found that his client had never even received a 'claims number' after filing his claim - the first step in IRS whistleblower process.

I don't think the IRS would have ever recovered the money,' Mr Young told MailOnline. 'It took our client to step up.'

Mr Young would not release the name of his client or the client's firm saying: 'He's a simple guy from a small town and wants to keep it that way.'

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



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I think both sides of the coin can be argued here.

Ethics are not etched in stone, meaning a certain codes of ethics to one group may mean something different to another group.

There are those that be they corporate entities, government officials, branches of the government/private sector have their own set of ethics and morals codes, as opposed to the masses.

Kind of like the old saying "Do as I say, but not as I do" it's extremely difficult to keep the masses in line and on a ethical path when the people at the top, and those that sponsor them into office, are practicing questionable tactics, in many areas.

A great rule of thumb for ethical, moral, and so called straight shooters is to make sure and always follow the money trails, and where they lead to, then a wise ethical decision can be made, without remorse.

Originally posted by Realtruth
Not sure what to make of this one, but this guy is a millionaire now.

And he had to pay taxes on the money too, but he still wound up with 3.24 million. I would say this person and his family are set for life. I wonder if this was greed driven or honesty driven?

What do people think about turning the company you work for into the IRS and other people you know that cheat?

www.npr.org

edit on 9-4-2011 by Realtruth because: (no reason given)

THERE IS NO "MONEY", the paper is IOU's for the god the government stole in 1933!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up already.
He who has the gold pays the bills!!!!

The Promissory Note To Pay Our Debts
HJR-192 of June 5, 1933 is the promissory note (the promise of Abraham) the
government issued to balance the exchange to credit the people. The Promissory note is on
the debit side of the United States Governments ledger, which was a debited from their
credit, created by the Executive Order of April 5, 1933 when they took the gold out of
circulation. Public Policy is rooted in HJR-192 and is Grace that creates our exemption.
This is your temporal saving grace. Under grace, the law falls away to create a more perfect
contract. Public Policy removed the people's liability to make all payments by making a
contract null if it required the payment to be in substance, because the people didn't have
any money to pay with. All that must be done now is to discharge the liability. Pay and
discharge are similar words but the principles are as different as Old and New Testaments.
The word "pay" is equated with gold and silver, or something of substance like a first-born
lamb, which requires tangible work to be invested in it to remove the liability because an
execution must occur. The word "Discharge" is equated with paper, or even more basic,
simple credits and debits, that exist on paper only, like the slate held by the agents/angels
of heaven that get swiped clean. You cannot pay a bill with a bill and you cannot pay a debt What HJR-192 did was, remove the liability of an obligor (someone obligated to
pay a debt) by making it against Public Policy to pay debts. All that needs to be done now is
discharge the debit with an appropriate credit "dollar for dollar." Debt must be discharged
dollar for dollar in the same sense, as sin was discharged on the Cross. The moment a debt
exists, it must be written off. The catch is, we can't write off the debt because we are not in
possession of the account in deficit; our fiduciary agent is in possession of the account so
we must provide him with the tax return (by the return of the original offer) so the fiduciary
can discharge the liability through their internal revenue service (the bookkeeper). Most feel
that when the money was taken out of society, the people became the slaves, this is not
true, the people were freed from every obligation that society could create thus freeing the
people from any obligation which they may incur simply because we cannot pay a debt. Ask
yourself the question, What are you charging me with? And how do you expect Me to pay?
Simply said, there is no money, plain and simple for me to make the payment with and on
top of that, if I were to pay, who is paying Me to pay that guy and who's paying that guy and
so on... Public Policy is the supercedious bond because it limits our liability to pay. It is the
more perfect contract because it operates on grace to pay our debts after we have done all
that we can. We go as far as we can to fulfill the obligation (acceptance and tax return) and
after we have done all we can, mercy and grace kick in being our exemption to make the
payment. Grace creates our exemption in the industrial society so long as we accept the
charge.

Read all abou it here..loveforlife.com.au...

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Another interesting tidbit about this case. Which adds a conspiratorial twist. The guy had been trying to tip off the IRS for years, and they ignored him. He had to get a lawyer to force the issue with the IRS and make them take action.

I saw that it actually confused me a bit.

Why on earth would he need a lawyer to pursue and push the matter?

reply to post by Realtruth


He may have needed a lawyer to cover his back, he may also need that lawyer to push the IRS into action, so that he could actually get the whistle-blower funds. He would have known about the Act no doubt, and this is the first pay-out from the IRS under that Act.

The two-year lag time may have been due (well, according to the IRS) to the two-year window in which the IRS gives for tax refile should anything be wrong on the forms. After that two-year closes, the IRS *may pursue criminally.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I read the article but it does not specify the firm. The IRS got $20 million and whistleblower netted $3.24 million from the gross $4.5 award payout. It must have been a small to medium company because the big boys get away with murder by declaring profits in bahamas, virgin islands, lichenstein, luxembourge, etc

Yes everyone should pay their taxes, but it does not mean we have to agree and/or like the tax codes. They have too many shortcommings to mention and could use lots of improvement!

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. —Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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When will you ACCEPT IT? And for the reality of the unConstitutional IRS look here!!!

The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF
(Diversified metal Products v. IRS etal. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I.,
Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan
No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

Just copy and paste the Senate Report and the public law, you can read all about it!!

Do you KNOW what the Constitution is??? A corporate contract that PROTECTS the public FROM government/corporation over stepping their bounds of authority.

I think most people here on ATS know this, it's rehashed day in and day out.

Money no matter when and where it is established is a faith based system of economics, which for many years has been tested, if the system starts to fail, that means no one has faith in the paper anymore.

So what's left?

Gold and Silver are rising, but people can't eat gold and silver.

Food, water and shelter come first.

And if everything does collapse, people will be barter with skills, foods and yes maybe gold and silver, but a hungry man with lots of gold and silver, will pay many ounces for one loaf of bread.

Originally posted by daddio

THERE IS NO "MONEY", the paper is IOU's for the god the government stole in 1933!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up already.
He who has the gold pays the bills!!!!

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Another interesting tidbit about this case. Which adds a conspiratorial twist. The guy had been trying to tip off the IRS for years, and they ignored him. He had to get a lawyer to force the issue with the IRS and make them take action.

I saw that it actually confused me a bit.

Why on earth would he need a lawyer to pursue and push the matter?

Because Lawyers are "British agents" and are in on it. Even if they don't know ALL the truth of the matter.
BAR = British Accredited Registry!!

I quit law school because of this. I would NEVER sell my integrity to the crown and screw over other "Americans"!!!!

Originally posted by Realtruth

Kind of like the old saying "Do as I say, but not as I do" it's extremely difficult to keep the masses in line and on a ethical path when the people at the top, and those that sponsor them into office, are practicing questionable tactics, in many areas.

In the old days a king used to ride into battle with his army, today pentagon beaurocrats order cruise missle attacks 5,000 miles away on "an enemy" of the corporate world, not my world or your world. How much money was squandered in iraq, afghanistan and now libya?

What about the $3 trillion banker bailout? Did you give them permission to take it after they gambled it away?

Seriously our government has a lot of nerve..........

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Whatever. You know what is perfectly clear to me after reading this thread? That you have exactly the leaders you deserve. The majority of you in this thread.

You are not morally bankrupt because your leaders are corrupt. Your leaders are corrupt because you are morally bankrupt. The whole idea that laws and ethics are these fuzzy things that you only follow if they are convenient that several of you are preaching in here? Thats exactly what your leaders are telling themselves as they gut our nation.

Pot.......kettle.........black.

You input is appreciated, but preaching is a different story.

I think your being a bit harsh and extremely judgmental here, standing up on your soapbox and preaching about morally bankrupt.

You sound like your some type of saint, by the way your addressing us here.

I love the old saying " let he who is without sin, throw the first stone."

So it's our leaders and you stand alone, they are not your leaders also?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander

Whatever. You know what is perfectly clear to me after reading this thread? That you have exactly the leaders you deserve. The majority of you in this thread.

You are not morally bankrupt because your leaders are corrupt. Your leaders are corrupt because you are morally bankrupt. The whole idea that laws and ethics are these fuzzy things that you only follow if they are convenient that several of you are preaching in here? Thats exactly what your leaders are telling themselves as they gut our nation.

Pot.......kettle.........black.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Whatever. You know what is perfectly clear to me after reading this thread? That you have exactly the leaders you deserve. The majority of you in this thread.

You are not morally bankrupt because your leaders are corrupt. Your leaders are corrupt because you are morally bankrupt. The whole idea that laws and ethics are these fuzzy things that you only follow if they are convenient that several of you are preaching in here? Thats exactly what your leaders are telling themselves as they gut our nation.

Pot.......kettle.........black.

Well said, and to repsond to "Realtruth', NO we did not elect our "leaders", they were appointed by the electoral college, which needs to be disbanded and eliminated and buried and to never again see the light of day. People are duped into believing that because they vote, they surrender ALL rights to life and liberty, which is the fraud. So yea, NO these are NOT "MY" leaders, but criminals.

Originally posted by daddio

When will you ACCEPT IT? And for the reality of the unConstitutional IRS look here!!!

Yes I already knew the IRS was unconstitutional because it never got ratified by all off the states.

Do you KNOW what the Constitution is??? A corporate contract that PROTECTS the public FROM government/corporation over stepping their bounds of authority.

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Todays constitution is not the original constitution. In 1873 it became a corporate charter and changed its name.

I have read about the FED and the IRS in some detail but it was years ago. To be honest there isn't much you can do unless you have a legal background and lots of spare time on your hands. The IRS always wins.......

I have talked about private central banking quite a few times in the past. In europe we have the ECB stationed in germany which prints the euro fiat currency. Same # really...rothschild family owns everything!