It's Finally Time to Admit I Was Dead Wrong...

How can you tell if a politician is lying?
Their lips are moving.

Not saying there aren't some earnest politicians out there though

Well, in 2008, I was pro-obama
I listened to his speeches, read his documentation about his plans and ideas

He has disappointed me on a few issues, such as gitmo (he could have pushed more, or at least really shine a bright light on the obsticles), transparency, and a few other things. (flipping bush tax cuts)

however, as I said, I listened to the speeches, promises, and read the docs and plans. I voted based on the concepts and ideas, then watched as issues were touched on and how it unravelled...ultimately, he promised alot, and got done (passed or flopped via filibustering or some such) a bunch..alot more than many other presidents (DADT, healthcare reform, financial regulations to name some biggies)

He is a decent president. his list for 2 years in office is actually pretty long on "real" issues...he will get re-elected if he continues plodding along.

I don't feel my vote was wasted. we are seeing Clinton again

I am not fooled by the spin machine character assassination, however, I also see in a dim witted population will indeed attack the head guy and forget what happened 2 weeks ago.

as far as ops is concerned...you initially stated you didn't like how obama said a person complaining about gas prices whom is driving a car getting 8 miles a gallon may consider upgrading = somehow anti-american..well, get over it...you want a president to say the people are shining perfect examples of all that is right and can never do wrong...or do you want a leader whom isnt being completely bull---t the whole time.
frank and logical talk will always offend the overly sensetive patriotism zealots whom want to feel good about their excess while demanding the gub-ment spoon feed them baby food and call them a good boy.

you may have wasted your vote..obama is not a neo-con, and no doubt doing things differently than a neocon will indeed annoy neocons that voted for obama because...erm...they forgot to listen to his ideas or read his documentation plans...he never promised he would buy everyone a ferrari, or pay your rent, or make sure to be overly flattering to the people and never suggest different ways of doing things.

-just shakes head-

Originally posted by Aisling

“If you’re complaining about the price of gas and you’re only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know,” Obama said laughingly. “You might want to think about a trade-in.”

Barack, this comment is beyond disgusting, and you and your wife are severely out of touch with reality. I will not be voting for you.

out of touch with reality...

actually, that is firmly set in a realistic suggestion.

also, if your complaining about the cost of cigarettes, and your smoking 4 packs a day, you may consider cutting down...(call me out of touch now...go on)

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz
29 hours to shutdown. Pres. Obama is meeting tonight with Cong. Leaders. Gov't shutdown!? IS ANYONE WATCHING CNN RIGHT NOW??

it will shut down

democrats want compromise by the dems
independents want compromise on both sides
republicans want no compromise

the average joe has no clue who is leading the republicans (Boehner? who is that?)...so ya...there is only one target for a shut down...because the moron public cannot understand more than one political name at a time

back in 95, Newt was just as popular as Clinton...they knew who the opposition was..you ask a joe in the street and they knew of the newt and which side was standing for what

go out into random public now and ask who is running the rep's today...you will get a blank look on peoples faces...they don't know.

yes...the damage is not going to be accidental...this is politics playing with people again. even if the dems decided to give 100% up and go with whatever the reps wanted, there would be no deal..this is politics now, not doing their job.

reply to post by gncnew


Yet another pretend Obama voter....
You are clearly a repugnican troll...
Your inclusion of Clinton in your lie...(Clinton balanced the budget and left a surplus dufus....there is No reason to include him in the disfunction that was Bush....your lie gives you away!
Thus the rest of your post is nothing but noise...in my opinion.

"Sire the peasants cannot afford gasoline"...
zen letz'em buy new cars!


Briiliance.....
fauw fauw fauw vivauz

reply to post by gncnew


I know your pain and how you feel.
I had thought about posting a thread
like this.I was too ashamed to admit,
Mama voted for Obama...
I think I was having a senior moment
and didn't know what I was doing.I was
warned about him and I didn't listen.
Thank-you for posting this thread and
confessing your[mine] mistake.We can
fix this problem in 2012!

reply to post by Asktheanimals
I resent that remark...
I am a car salesman

reply to post by nivekronnoco


Clinton also deregulated all sorts of crap and signed NAFTA into law allowing the exodus of American jobs to flow even faster. He is also in large responsible for allowing the media to become so consolidated in so few hands that even the average sleepy head is starting to get clued in that the media is pressing a corporate agenda, not the truth.

While they were distracting us with tales of Clintons blow jobs in the oval office, Clinton was screwing more than Monica.

It never ceases to amaze me that ANYONE fell for the empty rhetoric that Obama spewed all during the campaign.

I decided long before Obama had emerged as a front runner for the democrats that there was no way I was going to vote for any of the Republicans this time. I desperately wanted a candidate that would make a sincere effort at fixing the mess that the Bush administration created, and return at least some of our Constitutional rights back to us. I despise Hillary even more than Bush, so she definitely wasn't the answer.

I watched and listened to Obama because after all, the media hype was just overwhelming! They were calling him "the one", and he made chills run up their legs! I thought that even the lying scum mass media must see something in this guy to idolize him to such a degree. Not surprisingly, all I saw was an empty talking head rambling on about "hope and change", and talking points with no specifics, and no real commitments. The media was the same old story - they absolutely loved him, but couldn't articulate a single accomplishment by him to elicit such a response. He came across as a pre-packaged, sugar-coated, corporate fabrication in an expensive suit.

I eventually went back to the Republicans, and Ron Paul, the only genuine human being who actually cared about what was best for the country, and not about what he could get from the position of President.I thought that eventually, maybe enough people would see what I saw and vote based on substance instead of image and he'd have a chance, but alas, I overestimated the intelligence of the American voter. And that's being kind.

Originally posted by gncnew
In November of 2008 I went into my local voting station and for the first time voted for a Democrat President of the United States. I was one of millions that ushered in Barack Hussein Obama as the new Commander in Chief.

I believed that between Bush's two terms and Clinton's two terms America had become so entrenched in special interest politics that there was zero chance for us to pull out of the tail spin without making a dramatic move. I felt that new life, energy, and radical desire for change was the antidote for the apathy and gluttony that had become Washington.

I thought Obama really was going to bring Hope to the people and Change to Washington.

I was DEAD wrong...

Star and Flag

BUT === You were an idiot that voted for a person with no ability so your choice has brought us this "Change"

BUT I forgive you and you are a GREAT person for admitting it.

I just hope people don't fall for the next political "superstar". Other than maybe Rand Paul, if anybody shows up promising to undo all the bad that the last few Presidents have done, I will call BS.

reply to post by gncnew


I'll give you a big virtual hug on that, and I'll walk with you as well.

You see, I voted for Bush, twice.
I worked on his 2000 campaign.

And like you, I was wrong.
Dead wrong.

Go third party.
Or fourth party, whatever.

We need to get away from the Demopublican Party.

Reading this thread scares the holy hell out of me. I have read the entire thread a couple of times over, and honestly cannot believe some of the comments in here. We elected a man two years ago, yeah he looked different, brought a different message than most, but he has not fulfilled all of his promises, so he is the anti-christ?

This country is so divided, the fringe have taken control on both sides, and it sometimes makes me sad, that I gave seven years of my life, to defend your right to spew this crap. What we need is those of us in the middle to stand up and take control, get rid of the fringes on both sides, and finally do some things in this country that make some sense.

I don't want my government run by evangelical christians who want to legislate morality. I don't want people starving in the streets, I don't want people to not have access to healthcare, I want people to work, I want them to be able to take pride in there work, no matter what it is. On the flipside, I want corporations to be able to make profits, but not on the back of low wages, ecological destruction, or safety hazards.

This is not about right/left, democrat/republican, this is about common sense. It is about time that those that still have some left stand up and shout louder than the fringe. Obama is no more a socialist than Bush was a Nazi, and both have been hollered in this thread.

Yes I am a social liberal, I think you should be able to marry anybody you want to, I think everyone should be treated the same, and I think we are all human beings with rights. I am also a fiscal conservative, people should work for the money they receive, if I have to drug test for my job, you should have to drug test for welfare, or food stamps. The budget needs to be balanced, lets start with killing the fraud, waste, and abuse at all levels.

I am scared for our country, but calling people names or making fun of the president is not going to solve anything.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

I dont agree with Ron Paul on every single issue, but I trust his integrity, I believe he wants to restore our nation and protect the Constitution, AND he also is one of the few experienced politicians who has managed not to be bought out. So he withstands corruption well and has experience too.

He is my first choice.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Perhaps the title is kinda wrong... It's Finally Time to Admit it... Democracy doesn´t works... Voting is useless... money based systems are so obsolete... we are deeply f$%·"! And guess what... that´s why communities like ATSers are in increasing numbers day by day. We are the final line of common sense even though we seem like crazy people sometimes .. .. trying to stay awake and waking up relatives, neighbors, friends and so on, one soul at a time.
Anyway... terrific post OP

reply to post by gncnew


S&F for the admission you made that could not have been easy.

I was on the Obama bandwagon myself almost until I pulled the lever.

Why? Because like you, and tons of others I REALLY wanted to believe in the CHANGE. America was in a rut. Selling HOPE and CHANGE at that point in time was like selling the cure for cancer to a sufferer on their deathbed. Truly. The people were thirsty for it. They yearned for better days and better ways. Who can be blamed for that?

Complaints about politicians are nothing new. Neither are complaints about ANY leader (past or present) of the "free" world we call America for that matter. However, it seems Obama is failing even harder than any that I personally can recall in my lifetime.

I will go so far to admit that things were on the decline when he took office. Bush was not Jesus by any stretch of the imagination so we don't have to go there, but he did have a little more experience and he rarely pussy footed around when making decisions be they right or wrong. Obama lacks that decisiveness even when making a good decision. The rest of the world sees this, and takes note IMO.

Obama is a team player, but leaves many now wondering which team?

He is a supreme orator for sure. It was almost hypnotic to listen to him speak. I wanted to believe. I did believe for quite a good while. In the end it was that smooth talking that changed my mind. Figuring nothing could be that good, and there was no such thing as a free lunch... I opted for the alternative.

The sad fact is (IMO Only) that many were sold a false bill of goods. The other sad fact is, that I think any future leader will be selling those same fantasy laden goods. I think being president is equivelent to being a puppet now and it will probably never matter again who takes office in the future... if it ever did to begin with.

i'm with you buddy. i too was duped into the deception. and now i'm unemployed and having to pay 4>39 a gallon at the gas station. good work obama, way to make change for big oil.

I did not vote in the last election because it was a waste of time when 97% of the population had no idea who was running and what they actually are capable of doing while in office. It was pure mass marketing.

In the 2008 election I asked hundreds of people to name at least 10 presidential candidates on the ballot and of course all had only heard of Obama and McCain. No one even knew other options were available.

We live in such a marketed culture, the masses never bother to question anymore, much less research what they see or hear from the media. That is why I gave up television and movies years ago and now resort to forums like ATS for my information.

I get so tired of hearing phrases such as "If you vote for a no-name candidate, you're wasting your vote" or "you can't complain if you don't vote." Thomas Jefferson would smack the sh&t out of anyone who would believed that!!

reply to post by gncnew


Thank you for admitting you were wrong! I voted against Obama. When he won I prayed for the best.
I am still praying that we make it to the next Presidential election!!!
So he can go back to Chicago, Kenya, Hawaii anywhere but the white house.