It's Finally Time to Admit I Was Dead Wrong...

29 hours to shutdown. Pres. Obama is meeting tonight with Cong. Leaders. Gov't shutdown!? IS ANYONE WATCHING CNN RIGHT NOW??

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Congratulations on waking up

Don't feel bad. I almost did the same and for the same reason. In the end I wrote in a Candidate because I could not vote for anyone on the Ballot.

What justified my decision was who he surrounded himself with.

Ive never voted so i guess I have no right to complain.

However, I strongly believe this and most all former Presidents are nothing but actors designed to tell the public to believe in 'thier' government.

They have fattened us up and crippled us in debt, while pushing destractions on us to keep us blind as to what's really going on.

Ideally, its time to stand up and push back. But who will join the fight?? The 300lb couple watching American Idol and eating McDonalds 3 times a day?? The people 3 months behind on their mortgage aren't going to take a day off work to protest, they are too scared.

I don't know the answers... but I'm sick of the product.

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If it makes you feel any better, prior to Bush, I was a "proud" Republican/Conservative. Not any longer. I now do NOT trust any of them, and to be honest, it's been liberating to finally take off my blinders and see the Truth. Being a party loyalist makes people stupid blind. Being able to admit it is the first step. You are on your way to discovering the Truth and thinking outside the box. There's nothing like breaking free and being an independent thinker.

But, I will say, Obama is the most arrogant, loosest spender I have ever seen. His frivolous spending reminds me of the drunks in the Bronx on welfare check day. His promise of transparency: lie. His promise of keeping special interests and lobbyists out of the White House: lie.

The rest, I pretty much saw coming. The day he said we needed a domestic security force equal to that of our military, I got chills down my spine. I was literally dumbfounded at the wild applause from the crowd. Those are the true "sheeple". Those are the masses who still believe that our government is actually on our side and is there to serve us. I remember a large "town hall" meeting Obama did. Thousands of people and he was in the crowd. There was a woman, older woman, about 2 or 3 people away and among all the noise you could clearly hear her say, "I love you, Barak!". First, who calls a presidential candidate by their first name? Like they're old friends? Then, my thought was, "what exactly do you love about him? He hasn't done anything yet." These were all signs, to me, that he sucked them in, hook, line and sinker. His mesmerizing, mind control and hypnotism had paid off big time.

To be fair, I despise John McCain as well. He is as big of a scumbag as anybody in Washington. The only reason he beat J.D. Hayworth is because of his passive-aggressive threats, visa vi, his money. He pretty much bought the election the same way Obama did, spending a record amount of money on his campaign.

Welcome to the light! I wish everybody would get of the political party bandwagon and just think for themselves. Then we might start to make some progress.

Originally posted by JerryB08
I personally can't believe anybody was stupid enough to vote for the guy.

Here is one of the biggest problems with political discourse today, no one can do it without name calling, it accomplishes absolutely nothing, and is in fact destroying our ability to have an intelligent conversation.

It was just so obvious to me.

Again, implying that your intelligence is superior to the ones that supported him. This doesn't accomplish anything, but seems to be the way most people want to discuss things these days.

And everyone wanted change. However I certainly don't think this is the change everyone expected or was looking for.

The problem is the country is split almost 50/50 on almost every issue, so everyone is not a term that can be used. Healthcare is the perfect example, some think it went too far, and others think it didn't go far enough. I do agree with you, that there are not many, even among his supporters, that feel he has not shown the leadership that this country needs at this point.

In my Opinion the Tea Party is the only way we are going to get political change. Do you want proof? The current administration call's them extremist. They know the people are coming and they are tying to label them as anything but the people. To the point of trying to play the race card. Well tell all the black members and all the other minority that. It's so easy to see through. The may not be perfect However they are a political party create by the people over night that have had enough.

Here is the problem with the Tea Party, originally I thought it was a good idea, have felt like we have needed a third party in this country for a long time, a legitimate third party. However, once the Koch brothers got involved deeply into it, it attracted the kind of people that no centrist could ever support. Tea Party candidates have decried every sort of federal legislation from climate to civil rights, not to mention, the evangelical christians who want to legislate morality. What started out as a good idea, has been pre-empted by the fringe.

How many times can you raise taxes to pay for bad finance and foreign policy. They take 30 percent now. And they want more? mean while GE pulls in 16 BILLION in profits last year and they pay no taxes. Oh I don't think so.

Nice media talking point, but Obama has had very little time to change tax legislation, so you can blame this one on his predecessors from both sides. I do taxes for a living, and if you are paying 30%, one of two reasons, you make a boatload of money, or you need to find a better tax preparer. I agree, taxes are too high, but can't imagine trying to function in a tax free world.

I pray we have at least one good candidate this year.

I will not pray, but damn sure going to hope for some real change in the coming election. It is time to get back to the middle, and common sense, instead of all of these wild right/left swings.

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Obama sucks and is a stupid polarizing politician just like the rest of them in this moronic 2 party system, but idk, would you rather it had been Mccain president now? Not sure hed be much better and pretty sure hed probably be worse and be giving even more of our wealth away to big business/banks/wallstreet.

When will people ever learn?

When you have a hidden government pulling the strings it makes no difference whether the puppet is democrat or republican. A puppet is a puppet. TPTB have been pulling the strings ever since they arranged to have John Kennedy murdered. He was the last man that tried to do the right thing.

As long as TPTB can con you into endless arguments with each other over which is worse (dem or rep), they will happily tighten the noose around our collective necks till we are total slaves in the NWO. Time to wake up folks.

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Well he did actually give Americans and the rest of the world, CHANGE!

He gave away trillions to Wall Street offshore bankers, and gave the remaining loose change to the people.

...but I should be

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I too have buyers remorse and got it off my chest here:

Originally posted by coolhanddan
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I whole heartedly agree with you sir. I voted for Obama but never will do again I promise, however, I did not fall prey to Bush Jr. for two terms. When I saw the Obama financial team in the beginning I knew I was sold out but this confirms it as well.

Just a simple review of Bush's cabinet can explain how we got here but without a doubt Obama is a typically sell out to military complex like the rest. I heard he was even pushing the new jet to Brazil and the rest in South America on his last trip, what a defense/corporate/bankster shill.

I wonder how much it is really, I am sure a collective could buy him off as well since they are all for sale.

But the alternative is still worse, McCain and Co. We might be in every country in the Middle East, including Iran, and I know he would have the same economic team both of them agreed with the bailouts and hoopla...

Maybe Ron Paul could clean house but the next President would have to add education services at least being he is not really for any government agency. I can deal without all the wars, cutting our defense in half bringing not only the troops home but the bases as well. He has some great ideas but they are too simple for today's world.

To compete, we need education maxxed out, number 1 in the world and over spending on education like we do the military (America spends more on the military than all other countries combined! What if we did the same with education?), cheap in-country energy, even a major exporter, no subsides, bailouts, write-offs period, and basic services (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). Less government is the answer, cutting all loopholes by nixing the FED and IRS, half the government departments, committees, and lobbyist as a profession we could change I believe.

Our current system is totally failing and it seems that everyone is paid off by the same guys in the end. Ron Paul, hopefully can do this impossible feat even with the government being 30% of our economy right now, 1 in every 3 dollars are against his idea. They are organized as we can all see by what has happened with the last 17 Presidents, my fingers are crossed someone can step up to the plate.

The idea of change Ron Paul outlines and sticks too by voting the same way I can admire at least with all the two faced politicians on both sides of the fence. Only a few have been straight for the last hundred years to the American people, Ron Paul can be a great Axe man but then we need a reasonable man to create opportunities for America in the 21st century.

Obama is part of a plan to bring two things into being that to me are very obvious, 1) to bankrupt the United States, 2) and to bring in marshal law.
Of course there is more to the story than just those two points, but I think those two were top priority because of the constitution and the rights it gives to the people.
Remember the words of Rahm Emanuel, never let a serious crisis go to waste. And another quote that is also said to be a motto of Freemasons, "Out of Chaos Comes Order."
There are some very big players behind the scenes that have planned this scheme a very long time ago.

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If it makes you fell any better, which i doubt, I dont believe that it matters who is in office. I believe that the President of the US and most other foreign Presidents, answer to a higher authority.
Call it Illuminati, Bohemian Club, Bilderbergers or the Masons, I dont know, who it is and it doesnt really matter because there is nothing that can be done about it.
I believe that this was happening slowly (frog in boiling water) up until the beginning of the the decade but then they got impatient and decided to put it in the "fast trac"

No, i have no proof, yes it is all speculation but it is what I believe, so take it for what its worth.

You want to know how to throw a wrench in the system? NOBODY vote for either Republican nor Democrat!

If we all were to vote Independent ( provided there is a candidate even running as an Independent ), and we all were to put a check mark next to the representative labeled Independent....that would speak volumes!

Originally posted by TriForce
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If it makes you fell any better, which i doubt, I dont believe that it matters who is in office. I believe that the President of the US and most other foreign Presidents, answer to a higher authority.
Call it Illuminati, Bohemian Club, Bilderbergers or the Masons, I dont know, who it is and it doesnt really matter because there is nothing that can be done about it.
I believe that this was happening slowly (frog in boiling water) up until the beginning of the the decade but then they got impatient and decided to put it in the "fast trac"

No, i have no proof, yes it is all speculation but it is what I believe, so take it for what its worth.

There is something that can be done about it, but it will take someone or something very special to organize it.
Many people would have to give up a lot for good to come about. Right now at this time, I'm afraid there might not be enough of them to make the necessary sacrifices and to unite and think with one mind to achieve this most serious and all time important change.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
You want to know how to throw a wrench in the system? NOBODY vote for either Republican nor Democrat!

If we all were to vote Independent ( provided there is a candidate even running as an Independent ), and we all were to put a check mark next to the representative labeled Independent....that would speak volumes!

That's one of the clinchers, for everyone to think with one mind. How can that ever be achieved? American society is so spoiled rotten, how do you correct and reteach a spoiled child?

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Care to elaborate? How is it we as Americans are spoiled? This I gotta hear?

Is it because we have pride, in our homes, cars etc? You define pride as spoiled children? Is that a correct synopsis?

I'm not even American, and I think it's so damn sad to see this country go down hill.

There was so much potential that no other country had.

Originally posted by die_another_day
I'm not even American, and I think it's so damn sad to see this country go down hill.

There was so much potential that no other country had.

Absolutely right!

reply to post by gncnew


I agree with the main message regarding Obama. However, how much his wife spendings on shoes is really irrelevant. His whole family could walk around in gold shoes if he had ended the Patriot Act, tried terrorists in courts as the constitution requires, ended pointless wars that are bankrupting this country, stopped sucking up to Israel, hadn't backed down on the public option, got earmarks banned, etc.

The fact is that anyone from either party will pursue the exact same policies. There's no difference between Bush and Obama. There will be no difference between Obama and the next guy. The top 1% controls the government and the federal reserve. The only thing that will ever change this is the collapse of the economy or the US as a whole. The dream is dead already - people just haven't realized it yet. All of us let it die by voting Democrat or Republican, pretending there was a difference.

S and F for you. Too many people have too much invested in the guy to admit this. Alot of people can't admit they were wrong, which I applaud you for. And there are some out there that would vote democrat even if they saw their candidate emerge from a fiery hole in the ground, with a pitchfork and horns on his head.

I too, for a VERY short period of time questioned whether I should vote for the guy. His ambiguous rhetoric and orator skills seemed better than McCain's, and they were. In the end it all came down to experience, which Obama had none.

I think Obama had a few good intentions going in (albeit backwards in thought), I don't think they were all lies. I assume he was told he could keep one or two of his promises, but the others would have to be reneged on. He has definitely shown that he and Michelle have little compassion for the common man.

I have little doubt he is just in there for the status it gives him. The ability to throw one last grand party before the world collapses, inviting everyone that is anyone.

Assuming his opponent uses his record against him, and it's not a terrible candidate like McCain was, I think there will be a major upset in the White House in 2012. That candidate will likely not have compassion for the average American either, but hopefully he can at least get America to where it should be again.

There are hard times ahead, and we are all responsible, as are both Democrats and Republicans.

Cuts are going to have to be made. EVERYWHERE.

You may not like some of the cuts coming. You can go out and riot like they do in England, France or Greece, as if this money just falls from the sky for these programs, and why isn't it falling anymore. Go burn tires, smash windows, flip over cars...but the fact remains that there is some tough times coming. We can't print money. I mean I guess we could but we all know how that works out in the end.

Yes we can blame the government (rightfully so) or the bankers, but there are many who bought into this 'credit' nonsense.

"Well, I really can't fit that new 47" LCD tv in my household budget, so I'll just throw it on my credit card and worry about it later."

It's not only the government spending more than they can afford, it's millions of Americans doing this #.

Now when the time comes to make some cuts because the country is fiscally insolvent, everyone is like "What?! What's going on?"

We get what we sowed. Deal with it.