Christianity - A Religion of Death Part I

That is the problem with all exoteric organized religion. They don’t realize that at best all they have is faith in a theory, and really can’t prove their faith to themselves let alone someone else.

Originally posted by troubleshooter

You started this thread...I didn't.

Yes, I did, to help open people's minds and attempt to free people from the fear used as a conversion tactic by people such as yourself.

I started this thread and you came in to validate my points.

reply to post by firegoggles


I'm afraid that you have me a bit confused. I'm not a Christian, I don't follow the Bible. I will say that the basic beliefs taught by Jesus, as laid out in the Gospels, seem to be sound and peaceful but I still practice my own faith. There are more varieties of Bible believers than I can even mention yet each one seems to believe the others are not only incorrect but will suffer a wrathful judgment.

The evils and destruction committed in this world are not the works of God or Satan but are the works of people, many of whom are followers of this doctrine of death I have been writing about.

reply to post by Shadowflux


I don't use fear nor do I use any tactics as you put it. You have not heard the real Gospel have you? It means "good news". So you think if I tell you to worship my God or you will be burnt in eternal hell forever that would be good news? Hello? All you have heard is the canned amerachristian version about what the Creator of the universe has done and is doing. Too bad you claim to do all this "thinking for yourself" right? But ...your not.

reply to post by inforeal


Faith in a theory is one thing, much of science is theory in many ways. The danger comes when this theory involves the worship and glorification of death and destruction, when the belief in this theory results in the spewing of hatred, the condemnation of those with differing views and the continued division of man from his fellow man.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
I have not rejected salvation, my friend, I have rejected subjugation to dogma and doctrine.

That is what salvation is supposed to save you from!

Originally posted by Shadowflux
I don't need to ask for salvation, no one does.

None need to ask, but many need it.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
From what do we need to be saved?

Subjugation to religion and government.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
More importantly, I outright refuse to reject the truth in which I believe to adopt a belief system which I not only don't believe in but feel is at odds with what I know to be the truth.

Nor should you. The trick is loving others as you wish to be loved that all have such freedom to their truth.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Shadowflux

Originally posted by troubleshooter

You started this thread...I didn't.

Yes, I did, to help open people's minds and attempt to free people from the fear used as a conversion tactic by people such as yourself.

I started this thread and you came in to validate my points.

I am not offering you a religion...I am not a religious person...
...I have not been into a church (other than for a wedding or funeral) in 30 years...
...I have no 'dogma'...
...I am a Christian because I believe that Jesus was the Messiah...
...He was the One expected for millenia and He has taken back our soverienty and defeated death...
...and yes He is returning soon to destroy all human oppressive systems...
...including human religious organizations.

reply to post by firegoggles


My problem is that the "Good news' you, and others, wish to impart on me is at odds with what I know to be the truth. People try to convert me, to convince me to follow a belief system that I know isn't right. Simply because I don't relent and subjugate myself to dogma not only am I told that I'm wrong but that I will suffer for my belief in the truth.

reply to post by IAMIAM


The only way that someone can save themselves from the subjugation of governments and religions is to learn the truth, think for themselves and achieve personal freedom as best they can.

Spiritual salvation is not necessary for anyone because we don't need to be saved.

reply to post by Shadowflux


See that's where your wrong right off the bat and thus my entire point with you. We are not all like that. I for one don't wish or NEED to "impart" anything on you as you accuse me, you already have God in you, your a living human being!

Besides the Christian bible plainly states that Jesus Christ was the "light" in "ALL" men and they recognized it not. I mean ... what do you do with that? That's where I'm coming from you see. So I have nothing to sell you. I can tell you who He is but unless you experience it for yourself I'm not gonna shove anything down anyones throat you'll meet him eventually and feel really dumb...but real happy and that

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

The only way that someone can save themselves from the subjugation of governments and religions is to learn the truth, think for themselves and achieve personal freedom as best they can.

Spiritual salvation is not necessary for anyone because we don't need to be saved.

What's the truth?

reply to post by Shadowflux


When I read your title, I expected part of your opening post to refer to the central theme of Christian dogma, that it is through Christ's death that mankind is saved, provided mankind believes it.

As to Christians gleefully anticipating the death and destruction of the non-believers, I think this may reflect on individual temperaments rather than on the Christian teachings themselves.

reply to post by IAMIAM


This would take much too long to fully explain in a reply post but is covered in future articles so you'll just have to be patient until the time is right

reply to post by mysticnoon


Christ's death is covered more in part 2 which will be posted shortly.

I think that there should be a distinction made between the teachings of Jesus and the doctrines and teachings of the church which claims to follow these teachings. I've had much experience with the Christian faith and have found that what is taught in the church and believed in by the congregation often bears no resemblance to anything Jesus said in the Gospels.

Individual people are simply not aware of the implications of the divisive nature of the things that are taught in their church.

reply to post by firegoggles


Regardless of whether you are trying to "sell" me anything, you think I am wrong and want me to believe the way you do. You're convinced that I will see the fallacy of my beliefs and come to realize that yours are the truth.

No matter what you say, this will not happen.

Death obsessed people? Who want to bring about the destruction of the world?

I'm not quite sure who or what it is you have issues with. One minute it seems like your problem is with people who believe in the rapture, then the next minute you include the doctrine of the second coming. Then it's an issue with the way people pray and some type of erroneous feeling that people who believe in Jesus/Spirit/God pray real hard for the end so people like yourself who don't believe can be judged and tortured. Which is it? Doctrine? Or is your problem with Christians?


"Spiritual salvation is not necessary for anyone because we don't need to be saved."

Spiritual salvation is necessary for those who want to know God on a personal level and be enlightened with the truth. You are either clued in or clueless...

"Is it wise to allow such a dangerous doctrine to be taught?"

Wisdom is proven right by her children.

reply to post by Myrtales Instinct


My problem, which I thought was quite clear in the article, is that there are many people in positions of power who subscribe to this doctrine of death. These people pray, quite regularly, for the second coming of Christ which implies the destruction of the material world. They pray that the sinner will be punished and tortured and that the righteous will be victorious over the rest of the world. These people, some with real power and wealth, believe that the end of the world is at hand.

My problem is that this is a dangerous situation and can only lead to misery and death.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by Myrtales Instinct

 

My problem, which I thought was quite clear in the article, is that there are many people in positions of power who subscribe to this doctrine of death. These people pray, quite regularly, for the second coming of Christ which implies the destruction of the material world. They pray that the sinner will be punished and tortured and that the righteous will be victorious over the rest of the world. These people, some with real power and wealth, believe that the end of the world is at hand.

My problem is that this is a dangerous situation and can only lead to misery and death.

The second coming is not about the destruction of the material world...
...but its remaking...
...the future for believers is a new earth not a destroyed one.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. ... And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Revelation 21:1-4

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by Myrtales Instinct

 

My problem, which I thought was quite clear in the article, is that there are many people in positions of power who subscribe to this doctrine of death. These people pray, quite regularly, for the second coming of Christ which implies the destruction of the material world. They pray that the sinner will be punished and tortured and that the righteous will be victorious over the rest of the world. These people, some with real power and wealth, believe that the end of the world is at hand.

My problem is that this is a dangerous situation and can only lead to misery and death.

The second coming is not about the destruction of the material world...
...but its remaking...
...the future for believers is a new earth not a destroyed one.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. ... And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Revelation 21:1-4

It is about the remaking of the world after it's destruction.

The future for non-believers, even for those Christians who believe "inappropriately", is death and eternal damnation, according to this doctrine.

Okay. So your issue is with the elite who pray for the destruction of the physical material world, which you are referring to as the doctrine of death.

Upfront - I'm going to defend my position, and as I do so please don't minsconstrue that for something it isn't; like me trying to convert you.

What you perceive as the elite.... are not the elite.

The true elite are a group of people who have been through hell and back and totally understand the loving gifts of mercy and compassion that has been shown to them. Rumor has it they will sit on thrones and judge (even angels).

He's not going to put morons on thrones.