GOP 2012 budget to make $4 trillion-plus in cuts

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by SPACEYstranger

Of course im not calling for a tax hike, at least not for those who cant afford it.

edit on 3-4-2011 by SPACEYstranger because: (no reason given)

Who gets to decide what people can afford? You? Obama?

seriously?

somebody has to make these decisions... just as president bush chose to during his presidency. You can throw dirt on the issue and lay blame on whoever is in charge, but that doesn't change the fact that the most wealthy people in the country are paying negligible taxes and receiving corporate benefits, while the middle and lower classes are being gouged at every opportunity.

We are being forced to make up for a deficit for which we are not responsible. as the middle class deteriorates, the richest people in the country continue to get richer, at our expense, despite their continuing failures. yet politicians unanimously decide to extend the bush tax cuts to the top 2%, bailout corporations that are being run into the ground, and indiscriminately launch 1.5 million dollar missiles into middle eastern countries.

So yah, i think SOMEONE needs to make these decisions, and it would be nice if the president was abel to do so. Unfortunately he answers to congress, who are very happily in the pockets of those top 2%ers.

the answer is not 4 trillion dollars away from medicare. Thats as dumb as making up for a deficit by cutting the pensions and benefits GUARANTEED BY CONTRACT to fire men, teachers and police.

The fact that their discussing this on fox with an open mind is testimony to this being nothing more then partisan garbage perpetuated by corporate media.

I dont care how you try to rationalize it, its BS, and you fell for it.

Unless your a multi-millionaire, in which case you can float on your happy little cloud at everyone else's expense

edit: I see your a tea party member. That pretty much explains your biased perspective. Partisan dribble, from the hip "new" republicans

Abolish the US Air Force and put our Air Wings back under the US Army.

We can't afford having them a separate military branch anymore. We won WWII with an Army Air Corps. We'll win WWIII with an Army Air Corps.

If anything needs to be cut.....that's one of them.

This is a proposal to cut 1 out of every 10 dollars spent by the federal government over the next 10 years is it not? The spending is up to $4 trillion every year - I imagine with the cuts the Democrats will be reelected, if not in 2012 then in 2016 (if we live that long) and it'll go up to $8 trillion per year. Cuts aren't the answer at this point.

Originally posted by SPACEYstranger
reply to post by beezzer

 

Fantastic. 4 trillion dollars in cuts to important social programs, at our expense.

This money should CERTAINLY be coming from elsewhere...

edit on 3-4-2011 by SPACEYstranger because: trillion!

60% of govt spending is on entitlement programs. Some, if not most, of the money has to come from these programs. It may not be fair, but our elected officials have let us down for so long it isn't an option any longer.

The reason Medicare/Medicaid cost so much is that the health care providers, the same ones that fought HCR, love bilking those programs for all they're worth.

For the elderly, try walking into a doctor's office and telling him you don't have insurance, he'll spend 5 seconds diagnosing you and shooing you out the door for a minimal fee. Tell him you have insurance and he'll bring in teams of specialists to give you every test known to man then perform a fee unnecessary procedures all so he can hand the government a huge bill.

This really means nothing, all of these programs were/are going to end one way, or another. America is coming to an end and this is just another step in that direction, next they will tax us to death. This same crap happened to Great Britain in the 70's and history is just repeating it's self now.

reply to post by beezzer


Explain the economics behind the cuts. I eagerly await hearing your deep understanding of the issue.

If you want to fix the problem of spending cuts , go straight to the source of those doing all the spending and cut their heads off ! Problem solved .

reply to post by boondock-saint


Absolutely agree about closing overseas bases (AND adventures!) plus cutting the federal government workforce (speaking of "fat"), dramatic cuts to the salaries and benefits of Congress, and unnecessary expenditures like the CORPORATION for Public Broadcasting, Smithsonian/ museums in general and endowments (like National Endowment for the Arts) that can and definitely *would* be funded by those "wealthy elites" everyone hates so much.

But I gotta tell ya, Boon- I had ro raise my eyebrows at the thought of the sick and disabled rioting because their benefits were being cut. If a person is healthy enough to get out there and riot, they're surely healthy enough to get a job of some kind. No, I'm not being heartless, just practical. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes insurance companies deny worker's comp claims.
Just sayin...

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I agree with some of your points, but the average citizen shouldn't have to bare the brunt of these cuts! The amount of money that can be saved by cutting the military budget in half would save over 300 billion dollars! Closing some of our bases in countries that could defend themselves would save even more. How about cutting corporate welfare, foreign aid (Israel and Pakistan come to mind) would save additional billions! How about cutting out Bush's tax cuts to the rich? The rich and corporations should start paying their fair share in taxes instead of creating a larger burden on the middle class. These idiots talk about the importance in defending other countries, but at the same time our country is dying in a sea of red. The tough cuts are not the social programs, it's the cuts that these politicians never want to cut. Some people on this site continue to defend these cuts that will eventually affect themselves one way or the other.

Hopefully you will not see the Romanian / European model kicking in - tax increases and monster budget cuts at the same time! In Romania we had a massive reduction on budgets and also a strong overall increase of taxes (VAT is 25 % here!) yet the government is still screaming loud they do not have money! I wonder what they are doing with all that !

Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
But I gotta tell ya, Boon- I had to raise my eyebrows at the thought of the sick and disabled rioting because their benefits were being cut. If a person is healthy enough to get out there and riot, they're surely healthy enough to get a job of some kind.

lol, I think u misunderstood what I said.
Not the sick and disabled on Social Security. I was talking
about their families (sons, daughters, grandsons, etc...
the healthy ones).

Everyone is up in arms about the potential entitlement cuts, but the details aren't all out yet. The minimum that I did see suggested that they want to move Medicare towards a voucher type system. That signifies progress to me because the government is finally realizing they can't manage large scale programs in a cost effective manner. I'm not sure about the proposed changes to Medicaid funding. I guess the people calling for massive defense cuts will be wondering why the unemployment rate goes up when those mass layoffs occur. People also fail to realize that part of the cost of those programs is keeping the industrial base intact and production lines open so the tooling doesn't get destroyed. I'm also not sure why some people are so hell-bent on raising taxes on rich people. Why should someone who worked hard and became successful be penalized? Switch to a flat tax or a consumption based tax and you'll solve a lot of the inequities that people complain about. Just my .02.

"Switch to a flat tax or a consumption based tax and you'll solve a lot of the inequities that people complain about"

Sorry to whoever posted this above,. my quote function is not working and I can't give you due credit.

Why is this not a serious consideration? I have heard this idea a few times over the last 6 or 7 years and though I haven't researched it too much, what are the serious negatives to it?

reply to post by Super Katsurio


You have an extremely good point. I have a feeling that the american people are coming closer to a breaking point. This is just one of the things in the near future that could possibly cause us to riot(food prices,oil,wars)

Originally posted by beezzer
Democrats call for 30 billion in cuts.
Republicans call for 60 billion.
Tea Party?
4 trillion.

Now that is priceless!

I can't believe that there would be anyone against this. But I'm sure we'll hear from a few.

30 billion is a joke.
Even 60 billion is laughable.
Now 4 trillion...that's more like it!
Tea party got it right again.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SPACEYstranger

 

Awesome! Right out of the gate and we have someone who wants to raise taxes instead of cutting spending.

Entitlement much?

Lol some people think the government is supposed to take care of them.

Ignorance doesn't know what ignorance doesn't know.

Originally posted by verb206
"Switch to a flat tax or a consumption based tax and you'll solve a lot of the inequities that people complain about"

Sorry to whoever posted this above,. my quote function is not working and I can't give you due credit.

Why is this not a serious consideration? I have heard this idea a few times over the last 6 or 7 years and though I haven't researched it too much, what are the serious negatives to it?

The only "negatives" are the loss of power and influence that congress critters would suffer. Manipulating the current tax code is a source of much power and income for them. They will never allow us to go to either a flat tax or the even better "fair tax". FairTax.org

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by verb206
"Switch to a flat tax or a consumption based tax and you'll solve a lot of the inequities that people complain about"

Sorry to whoever posted this above,. my quote function is not working and I can't give you due credit.

Why is this not a serious consideration? I have heard this idea a few times over the last 6 or 7 years and though I haven't researched it too much, what are the serious negatives to it?

The only "negatives" are the loss of power and influence that congress critters would suffer. Manipulating the current tax code is a source of much power and income for them. They will never allow us to go to either a flat tax or the even better "fair tax". FairTax.org

fair tax is the ONLY tax that makes sense.

reply to post by boondock-saint


I must have. I see what you mean there, though (sorry, the families/ other than recipients thing wasn''t prominent to me in your post). I still have a tough time getting my head around why cuts to Medicare/ Medicaid should cause an increase in crime and riots.
It just seems like kind of a weird/ incongruous reaction.