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Originally posted by Rising Against
Agreed and personally I'm a really big believer in that the ones whom were truly responsible for directly making the decisions which led to the demise of John F Kennedy were none other than Lyndon B. Johnson and Edgar J. Hoover. There obviously isn't any conclusive evidence to prove such a thing - nothing I would be able to find anyway but as the saying goes, where there is smoke there is fire..
Johnson also had a lot to gain by ridding the world of Kennedy and a lot to lose by keeping him alive. A lot to gain in an obvious way and a lot to lose in the sense that as far as I believe, he was on his way out of office anyway. Maybe even into the comfort of a jail cell instead due to corruption charges brought against him - ones which were set to be revealed in LIFE magazine quite conveniently on the day they showed the Zapruder film slides instead:
Van: bassim3d
Senator Daniel K. Inouye in 1987 Chaired the Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition, which held public hearings on the Iran-Contra affair.
Yet another document appears to be a memorandum written from President Kennedy to the director of the CIA regarding "Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security."
In this memo, Kennedy stated, "... I have initiated [blacked out] and have instructed [then NASA Administrator] James Webb to develop a program with the Soviet Union in joint space and lunar exploration.
It would be very helpful if you would have the high threat cases reviewed with the purpose of identification of bona fide as opposed to classified CIA and USAF sources.
It is important that we make a clear distinction between the knowns and unknowns in the event the Soviets try to mistake our extended cooperation as a cover for intelligence gathering of their defense and space programs.”
Kennedy then asked for all files on "Unknowns" to be turned over the NASA authorities and an interim report be forwarded to the White House no later than Feb.1, 1964.
This document which clearly showed a president about to make UFO secrets available to wider circles in government and, hence, probably available to the public was dated Nov. 12, 1963, just 10 days before his Nov. 22 assassination in Dallas.
This is slightly off-topic, but do you think such a stunt like this, the whole assassination, could be pulled off today (assuming it's a conspiracy)? I mean, tweets would be up within seconds and YouTube videos would be up within minutes.
William Harvey - Was according to researchers such as Richard D. Mahoney, Larry Hancock, John Simkin, Gaeton Fonzi, James Richards and also Noel Twyman, quite possibly involved in the actual assassination of JFK. He is someone whom is heard to have said that he "hated Bobby Kennedy's guts with a purple passion" this allegedly according to a friend of his.
Reason being that During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Robert Kennedy had instructed the then CIA director, John McCone, to halt all covert operations specifically aimed at Cuba. A few days later he discovered that Harvey had ignored this order (Harvey being the head of Task Force at the CIA JM/WAVE station in Miami) and had dispatched three commando teams into Cuba to prepare for what he believed would be an inevitable invasion.
Kennedy was furious and as soon as the Cuban Missile Crisis was over, Harvey was removed as commander of ZR/RIFLE. On 30th October, 1962, RFK terminated "all sabotage operations" against Cuba. As a result of President Kennedy kept his promise to Nikita Khrushchev that he would not invade Cuba, Operation Mongoose was disbanded.
In '61 though, Harvey arranged for CIA operative, Jim O'Connell, to meet Sam Giancana, Santo Trafficante, Johnny Roselli and Robert Maheu at the Fontainebleau Hotel. During the meeting O'Connell gave poison pills and $10,000 to Rosselli to be used against Fidel Castro.
Harvey was demoted and sent to Italy to work and It was hear he developed such a hatred for the Kennedy's. And It was also at this time he kept continual contact with the mafia - specifically Roselli. In fact they even met in New York on the 8th of April. Then a week later in Miami. According to Richard D. Mahoney: "On April 21 he (Harvey) flew from Washington to deliver four poison pills directly to Rosselli, who got them to Tony Varona and hence to Havana. That same evening, Harvey and Ted Shackley, the chief of the CIA's south Florida base, drove a U-Haul truck filled with the requested arms through the rain to a deserted parking lot in Miami. They got out and handed the keys to Rosselli.""
William Harvey died in 1976 after allegedly suffering heart complications. Although It's heavily hinted at that he certainly did have a hand in the assassination of the president thus this potentially being the true cause on why he had to die.
Originally posted by amp1214
reply to post by Rising Against
Thanks so much! I love Marilyn
You would make an awesome dedective
Originally posted by research100
this would make a good book, like the others have said!
Originally posted by Rising Against
And, well, this is one of those issues to be completely honest. The whole JFK – UFO connection and so on. That being so, I do still have to disagree with the notion which states that JFK was killed because of what knowledge he was planning on making available to the public, or what he knew about UFOs and aliens, despite my lack of overall knowledge on the subject. And this is one of the issues I do have to disagree with Jim Marrs on also.
Originally posted by austingoeshard
reply to post by Rising Against
Wow that is a lot of info. I think you should write a book about this and get the word out to more people
Hi Rising Against, thanks for your reply.
That you disagree with that possibility is no problem of course, be shore that I respect your opinion about it.
But regarding this case, all we can in fact do is speculate about why and by whom he was assassinated, and to be honest, I do not expect that we will ever come to know what the real reason was and whom it did.
Please allow me some time to read your shortened [for me still quite a bit] theory.
"I'll be back".
Originally posted by Rising Against
Agreed and It's admittedly really frustrating that all we can really do at this point now is speculate. It's made even more frustrating by the fact that this is just such an obvious and 'clear as day' conspiracy.
Originally posted by Rising Against
Anyway, that's my shortened theory on why JFK really did die. I could type all day but I tried to get the least amount of information I felt was necessary to understand the reasoning for why I subscribe to my theory as opposed to the one being presented here. I think the UFO connection was made simply because we just want to believe in UFO's and we want to believe Kennedy died for a reason close to home for us, personally.
I don't think there is much more to it than that really. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the UFO connection more but I've just never seen enough reason to fully believe that was the reason why he had to die.
Originally posted by Rising Against
I think the UFO connection was made simply because we just want to believe in UFO's
There exists in our skies, worldwide, a solid, physical phenomenon that appears to be under intelligent control and is capable of speeds, maneuverability, and luminosity beyond current known technology.
Originally posted by dalemcfad
reply to post by Rising Against
It was Jim Bishop, thank you. I am also searching for the book. I know I still have it somewhere. I was also wondering if you could recommend any particular books on the subject that I might find in the public library(free that is)? I ask because there is so many books about it, that its hard to determine whats a worthy read and whats not. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Peace
Quite an interesting read buddy and I see that you did study it all very thoroughly.
I cannot say other than that you did show me enough information here that gives me indeed the impression that you can be right here.
Just a short reaction on what you say here, it is not a matter of wanting to believe in UFO's anymore, because it is as clear as day now that UFO’s/UAP’s exists in our skies.
And with UFO’s/UAP’s I mean the following.
It’s an excerpt from the marvelous book “UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record” from Leslie Kean which I can strongly recommend you to read.
Originally posted by Rising Against
Originally posted by austingoeshard
reply to post by Rising Against
Wow that is a lot of info. I think you should write a book about this and get the word out to more people
You should get points for being like the 100th member to tell me to write a book now, lol..
edit on 3-4-2011 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)
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