Government shutdown begins midnight next Friday April 8, 2011?

From this Wikipedia article Here , this looks like a government shutdown is a police state for the government and a depression for the rest of us.

Originally posted by Aquarius1
Notable government shutdowns in the United StatesNote that in the list of "essential" services above, police and firefighting are largely state and/or locally funded, so are not an issue in federal shutdowns.

United States federal government shutdown of 1981
United States federal government shutdown of 1984
United States federal government shutdown of 1990
United States federal government shutdown of 1995[1][2]
2005 Erie County, NY shutdown[3]
2005 Minnesota state shutdown, during the first two weeks of July 2005[4]
2006 Puerto Rico budget crisis
2006 New Jersey State Government shutdown
2007 Pennsylvania State Government shutdown[5][6]
2007 State of Michigan Government Shutdown (averted three hours after the deadline and caused very little disorder)
2010 Government Shutdown February 8–10 due to snow
2010 Government Shutdown of New York
Anticipated United States federal government shutdown of 2011

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This has happened a number of times in the past, it always works out and will this time, most of us didn't pay it much attention in the past, now with the internet everything is a big deal.

It looks like the GOP is serious about the $14,000,000,000,000+ National Debt and the
$1.5 trillion National Deficit.
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The attitude of the Liberals is -- Apathy --.

reply to post by Phenomium


Au contrare. It's only a depression for the poor and middle class. When the government is either closed down or in gridlock, that's the time to play on Wall Street.

Good posts Aim64C.

Well it’s my belief there is no want for financial reform. Instead the objective is to destroy the current system and start with a fresh slate. It makes more sense to have a currency based upon gold since we have the largest gold reserves in the world. The same can’t be said about oil, which has huge influence over the current US dollar. And that situation will only get worse.

In the chaos of hyperinflation (post WW1 for instance) the presentation of an overbearing government that promised utter control and order, can become acceptable to the masses. “If” that were the objective, there couldn’t be a more favorable environment for that to take place. Create a need, then fill it.

Hey, great. let it shut down, and then, LEAVE it shut down! Who's gonna notice? nobody. Who's gonna care, nobody and then all the politicians will have to grovel before they're union masters and explain how the union folks are gonna feed they're kids and crap like that. I think once they shut it down, they better make sure that we the people actually want them to open it uup again. What, no national parks? who cares, What6, you won't pay the military? thats ok, they have guns remember? r they can pretty much take care of themselves, can't they? yeah, go ahead, shut it down and leave it that way. We have state governments, remember? Let them take up the slack and the country wil start to run the way it was supposed to anyway !

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Yep government is about to shut down:
www.msnbc.msn.com...

WASHINGTON — The National Zoo would close, but the lions and tigers would get fed; Yellowstone and other national parks would shut down. The Internal Revenue Service could stop issuing refund checks. Customs and Border Patrol agents training officials in Afghanistan might have to come home. And thousands of government-issued BlackBerrys would go silent.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Yep government is about to shut down:
www.msnbc.msn.com...

WASHINGTON — The National Zoo would close, but the lions and tigers would get fed; Yellowstone and other national parks would shut down. The Internal Revenue Service could stop issuing refund checks. Customs and Border Patrol agents training officials in Afghanistan might have to come home. And thousands of government-issued BlackBerrys would go silent.

The dreadful "shut down" may only last for about 10 days.
Suddenly, it doesn't seem like the end of the world.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

The dreadful "shut down" may only last for about 10 days.
Suddenly, it doesn't seem like the end of the world.

I was wondering how long this shut down will last, do you have source where you got your info?

reply to post by awakenone


It's all just politics.
When the shut down happens both parties take a step back and keep an eagle eye on the
all powerful - polling data -.
When Obama sees his numbers heading further south........quick get Speaker Boehner to
the White House! OK! You got it! $61 Billion in cuts!

Where do i sign?

reply to post by Eurisko2012


it may happen the other way around.

The GOP may realize that the general public might not want everything for the poor cut, and maybe they might want to lessen their cuts from the poor. Maybe they can figure out that we might not need a military budget so high?

reply to post by whatukno


Time will tell.
Lets just wait for the - polling data -.
I think the American people have an eagle eye on that Gross Debt to GDP number.
- Gross Debt to GDP Ratio -

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Have to remember, there are a lot of elderly on medicare on social security, and there are a lot of people unemployed.

Frankly I think we could cut the entire 61 billion from our military budget and not sweat it.

reply to post by whatukno


I think we need to cut the National Endowment for the Arts, NPR and Planned Parenthood.
We have a $14,000,000,000,000+ National Debt and a $1.6 trillion deficit this year.
We need to start cutting the fat. I say start with the above 3.
The party is over. We are Out Of Money !!!

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Tell me, what are the combined budgets for those three programs, and what is the budget for the Defense department?

Cutting those programs is pittance compared to the budget for the military.

The truth is you could solve the budget problem completely by ending all our wars, and closing down all the bases outside of the united states and laying off of non essential personnel from the military

I can guarantee you that those three budgets you mention don't come anywhere near the 61 billion that the GOP wants to cut.

reply to post by whatukno


That's OK. Start there anyway.
Cut the fat. The party is over.
We are out of money.

Actually the NEA is constitutionally mandated. So, to cut that would actually be Unconstitutional.

Cutting the fat is fine, lets cut the military budget, lets cut out giving money to foreign countries, lets make GE and other companies like them actually pay taxes.

We do have things to cut.

But what you are proposing is hurting the people of the United States.

reply to post by whatukno


You make the NEA sound like it's directly tied to National Security.
Do whatever it takes. Cut off the NEA, NPR and Planned Parenthood.
I'm sure the USA will get along just fine without them.
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Don't forget there is also - private funding- opportunities for the above 3 sacred cows.
Call George Soros. He will cut you a check no problem.
You don't always have to run to the U.S. Government for - free money-.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


A little known piece in the United States Constitution is Article I Section 8.

Within it is this line.

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

The NEA is Constitutionally mandated just as the military is.

Try and get Glenn Beck out of your brain and use it for yourself.

reply to post by whatukno


I'm sure it is possible to - unmandate - the NEA.
Desperate times call for desperate actions.
What is wrong with George Soros funding the the NEA? He has $$$ Billions $$$.
There are also A LOT of Fat Cat democrats in New York City who will gladly fund the NEA.
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You don't always have to run to the U.S. Government for free money.
BTW, did i mention that we are Out Of Money ???

reply to post by whatukno

Have to remember, there are a lot of elderly on medicare on social security

Which will not be affected by the government shut-down.

and there are a lot of people unemployed.

Which will also not be affected by the government shutdown. Not that it would matter - Missouri just turned down federal stimulus to subsidize an extended unemployment period - with overwhelming popular support.

Frankly I think we could cut the entire 61 billion from our military budget and not sweat it.

Such a simple-minded fool, aren't we?

The truth is you could solve the budget problem completely by ending all our wars, and closing down all the bases outside of the united states and laying off of non essential personnel from the military

Do we -really- have to go through this again?

www.nytimes.com...

I know you are a product of our lowest-common-denominator-driven public education system - but surely you can understand that bigger blocks with bigger numbers indicates regions of more spending within the budget.

Let's break down the two largest areas of the budget (excluding Social Security, for the time being).

$1,110,000,000,000 - 1.11 Trillion - Health and Human Services (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services) - +3.1% from last year. This is the most rapidly growing portion of the budget and is just to meet the rising healthcare costs and increase in qualifying individuals. Reform in this sector is mandatory as the budget requirement for this sector is expected to boom by 30% or more within the next ten years. We already spend 1.11 Trillion, here.

We can break down the rest of those little categories included, there - but those only add up to about 100 billion and aren't even worth getting into in this discussion.

Military spending:

$294,890,000,000 - 294.89 Billion - Operation and Maintenance, up 0.7% from last year.

$154,060,000,000 - 154.06 Billion - Military Personnel, up 1.0% from last year.

$128,050,000,000 - 128.05 Billion - Procurement, down 5.7% from last year.

$ 75,720,000,000 - 75.72 Billion - Research and Development, down 5.6% from last year.

$ 24,673,000,000 - 24.67 Billion - Other sub-categories (look at the link to see them, I'm not listing all of them).

Total military spending: 677.39 Billion.

We are spending 1.4 Trillion into the hole.

Since you seem to be confused - Billion is a smaller metric than Trillion. Even if you were to completely get rid of the military - you wold still be 723 Billion dollars over-budget.

Which would be slightly over half of what is spent on Medicare and Medicaid.

We do have things to cut.

But what you are proposing is hurting the people of the United States.

Here's your problem.

It's not just about cutting what we spend, it's about changing how we spend, as well. The budget for healthcare, alone, is expected to rise by 30% - that's 300 BILLION dollars (relative to current GDP - that doesn't even begin to account for inflation). That is more than we currently spend on operating our ENTIRE armed forces fighting two wars!

It doesn't matter if you completely decapitate military funding - we'll be dealing with the same issue ten years from now, except healthcare will comprise about 70% of our non-Social Security expenses (Social Security is about 1/3-1/4 of our budget at 808 Billion).

We are going to have to change how we spend money, not just decide to cut spending here, or there, or defund one program or another.

Cutting the fat is fine, lets cut the military budget, lets cut out giving money to foreign countries, lets make GE and other companies like them actually pay taxes.

We get it, douche, you want to cut military spending.

You're more single minded than the GOP is, at this point in time. They can at least pick out three things they want to cut funding from - even if they are small and inconsequential programs.

But like I said - it's not about what we are spending money on so much as it is how we are spending money, and the changes we are going to need to make across the board to bring the budget back under control. That includes the military. That also includes Medicare, Medicaid, and the welfare services appended to them. That means Social Security, and the Treasury. Those are the four largest portions of our budget. The rest barely adds up to a Trillion dollars (and that includes military retirement and all other federal projects, NASA, roads and infrastructure, etc - look at the link if you want to see it all).