Government shutdown begins midnight next Friday April 8, 2011?

reply to post by whatukno

The NEA is Constitutionally mandated just as the military is.

.... That's your justification for the NEA?

You're reaching for that one.

That particular line in the Constitution is referring to the Patent Office.

reply to post by awakenone


So with obama's veto threat for the bill to try to keep the government running ....if the government shutdown does happen what will this mean for us? here is the link for the veto threat www.huffingtonpost.com...|aim|dl1|sec3_lnk2|54796

You have to wonder what the motivation for a veto would be? It’s all about time they shouldn’t be wasting, yet seem to want to waste. Strange, very strange.

reply to post by diggsnicca


Speaker Boehner should just say $45 Billion. Take it or leave it. Let's go to the shut down
and wait for the almighty - polling data -.
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Go for restart when National Endowment for the Arts, NPR and Planned Parenthood are cut off.
They will survive on private donations.

I am a military wife and obviously am very worried about this government shut down and how it is going to affect my family. I decided to check our LES online today just to see if it showed any difference in our pay. Much to my surprise according to DFAS myPay we will only be receiving half of our pay! I am not sure what to think about this situation since the official shut down is not supposed to happen until 12am. It seems to me like this was predetermined.

reply to post by SoldiersWife


Not to be condescending - but base pay and allowances are paid on the first and fifteenth of the month - each installment being half of the monthly cumulative.

I'm not sure if that's what you mean, or not. If it is - you will see the other half on the 15th of the month. ... unless DFAS has a brain-fart and starts paying your husband for a rank he isn't, or decides they overpaid him six months ago and will just forfeit a paycheck. Not sure how they manage to mess up a pay system, but they do.

Now - if you mean you are getting half of what you normally get on the first and 15th - that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless they are not authorized to pay for certain allowances (such as housing allowances, hardship/separation, etc).

For instance - our NOSC will be losing the services of the civilian employees working in admin and supply. Berthing is also not going to be paid for those of us authorized to drive in and stay at a hotel for drill weekend. We will also be on our own for lunches, as no catering services will be brought in to provide lunch at the drill location (like normal).

I will still get paid for going to drill. Though I'll be couch-surfing, most likely, as two nights at a hotel will about obliterate my pay from the reserves for the month.

Originally posted by SoldiersWife
I am a military wife and obviously am very worried about this government shut down and how it is going to affect my family. I decided to check our LES online today just to see if it showed any difference in our pay. Much to my surprise according to DFAS myPay we will only be receiving half of our pay! I am not sure what to think about this situation since the official shut down is not supposed to happen until 12am. It seems to me like this was predetermined.

You will get paid. Don't worry. The shutdown won't last long. My guess is 10 days.
The politicians will simply wait for the polling data and then make their move.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Aim64C

 

I see, so your solution is, no compromise, no cutting defense, no cutting spending to oil companies, no cutting spending to farmers to NOT grow corn. Just cut from the poorest and weakest in the nation. Don't raise taxes on the wealthiest people who befitted the most from the collapse of the economy.

Nice, just screw We the People eh? Let Corporate America rule? Let the Military Industrial Complex suckle off of the taxpayer teat forever?

How can these people claim they are for the American taxpayer with such backwards thinking like this?

well, this is exactly what the "right" wants. federal tax money for the poor and the weak, needs to be done away with. ever since roosevelt, the "right" has been on a mission to end social spending. this grinding away of benefits has been going on for decades and will continue until the wealthy have turned america into a third world nation, and at that point they will simply move on to the next country, easily transfering their capital to plunder other industrialized countries out of their domestic wealth.

It's just another scare tactic. It's the move to legitimize yet another fallacy --to remind folks how much "they need government". Turn off the television, folks.

reply to post by Aim64C


Our pay is half of what we normally get. We are hearing rumors left and right about what could be going on. One of which is that we will receive half of our normal pay and then will not receive any type of pay until the budget is resolved. My husband's post is releasing a statement about "what families should do" shortly, I will report back as soon as they do.

I really can not remember which predictionist predicted that this president would walk away from his presidency. This idea of the GOP shutting down really reminds me of that prediction every time I hear it. Will this be what happens? Any thought on this?

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by diggsnicca

 

Speaker Boehner should just say $45 Billion. Take it or leave it. Let's go to the shut down
and wait for the almighty - polling data -.
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Go for restart when National Endowment for the Arts, NPR and Planned Parenthood are cut off.
They will survive on private donations.

great!! because they need more uninspired, uninformed, pregnant voters for the republican party.

reply to post by jimmyx


George Soros could fund all 3. Just pick up the phone.
You don't always have to run to the U.S. Government for free money.

The shutdown won't matter much to the folks who were supposed to maintain the EPA RadNet folks. From the data on their public website it looks like they were on a shutdown for the last year already, Except for the military pay I think we should be able to sit out this faked diversionary situation engineered by both parties.

had posted similar on another thread earlier but still amazed that this is being talked about as mostly related to funding abortion through taxes

Government shutdown: Planned Parenthood owns Democrats

Planned Parenthood itself has clearly become desperate. one spokesman for the abortion provider decried, “If we are defunded, America’s emergency rooms will be overrun” — this from an organization that provides only one “emergency” medical service, abortion.

The same politicians that have argued that we should put social issues behind us are staking the entire federal budget on abortion funding. this issue is not even about abortion “rights” — it’s about how federal taxpayer dollars will be spent.

Yesterday, I spoke with Representative Mike Pence (R-IN), who told our radio audience that “liberals in the Senate are ready to shut down the federal government rather than end the practice of borrowing money from China to fund abortion providers here at home.”www.100wizard.com...

reply to post by awakenone


The utter absense of Presidential leadership here is amazing. It is his job to negotiate a deal, the mechanics of which are relatively simple. Every business and every household does, or has done this many times. It is petty politics on the part of the democrats that have caused this problem and the republicans should simply sit there and let them blink, which they will.

Obama and Reid are grasping for straws. "folks won't be able to get their SBA loan" OK, so they get the loan in a month, whats the big deal? Are a few businesses potentially going to go out of business as a result? Maybe. "Folks can't get mortgages" That one is classic. I have a house for sale right now and its been on the market over a year. If somebody wrote me an offer that was accepted and then came back and told me that he would not be able to close until the government shutdown was over, I'd tell him fantastic, we'll sign the papers then. Its not like the housing market is on fire and folks are going to miss out on a home. "republicans don't want women to get cancer treatment" that one is so offensive it does not warrant comment.

If there was real leadership, and Obama was actually looking to solve the problem rather than playing politics, he would sit down with the republicans and do what any business owner/executive does. He would call up every one of his Executive branch heads and simply tell them to cut 20% of their budgets for the next annual budget. He would do that publically. Does every budget need to be cut 20%? No, some might be cut 10% and some 60%, but in aggregate the entire cost of the federal budget, sans entitlements could be cut by at least 20% in a year. He would then cut the deal that the Republicans are offering. Every business leader .has had to do exactly the same thing. It ain't rocket science. It is not pleasant, but it is not rocket science.

He would then show some leadership and deal with entitlements.

Oh you will hear the rubbish about how cutting actually costs money and it often does. We should have some reasonable expectation that our leaders will take strategic steps that span beyond the next election. The republicans are the only ones remotely deal with this issue strategically at the moment.

The cost of savings to the country by paring down this massive government infrastructure is also far greater than simply the reduction on the expense line. The loss of productivity, loss of competetiveness due to dealing with government over head and the opportunity costs are massive. Obama was exactly right when he talked about the salmon. One group deals with in fresh water, another when it is in salt water. The funny thing about salmon is that they live their lives in both. How hard is it to come back a week a after that speach and tell us "I gave the salmon to Mike over here. Joe and his team won't be dealing with the salmon and will cut the part of his team that deals with salmon". Hell, he could also simply give the salmon to the recently added "Carp Czar".

These folks could not run a hotdog truck and the longer the government is shut down the more painfully obvious it is going to become.

Update on our post's statement: Our LES is showing "potential" cut but only "if" there is a shutdown tonight. Our Garrison commander can not confirm why our LES is showing half of our pay and assumes it is just in preparation and necessary administration action. A couple key points - personal points - an LES (leave and earnings statement) is usually not even available to view a week in advance and I have never known of an LES to be changed once it is posted it is typically "set in stone". According to our Garrison Commander "if" a shutdown takes place we will receive "back pay". VA & retiree benefits are not appropriated so they will continue. Construction on base (our new housing, commissary (grocery store) etc) will continue because it is already paid for. Essential services will remain open PX (basically walmart), childcare, hospital, schools, mp station and fire station. However the commissary will be closed. Our commander's ending statement was that 'soldiers all serve voluntarily and stand ready to train and deploy and will continue to work and protect our freedom"

This is clearly a possum tactic. The government will "shut down" yeah like 40% of it, leaving the executive branch in full security, then something will "happen" i.e. false flag attack, and the government will come as the saviors of humanity...again, and the people will cheer...again, all this means is that something really bad will happen.

reply to post by SoldiersWife


My advice is to just use your credit cards until the back pay arrives.
As general financial advice you should always have an - emergency fund - in the bank. $5,000
I sound like Suze Orman.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Our family has struggled financial and we are just now at the point where we can start saving - go figure that this would happen. We just want to get out of debit and now I feel like we are in a situation that is going to put us back in debit - could that be part of the plan? ha who knows anymore.