Family fears ghostly visitors

reply to post by meathed



I'm sorry to disagree with you, but if you look it up, poltergeist just means 'noisy spirit' and applies to any phenomenon where things are thrown about, moved etc, and generally make noise. They usually happen where there is the presence of pre-teens, but that is not exclusive. Another thing to consider is the fact that I had pre-teen brothers in the house at the time, although the activity was focused on me.

Hey guys, I watched the video a few times, and did any of you stop to think about the trajectory of the chair in question? It clearly went on a curved pattern, not straight back, or even at a straight diagonal. It would be almost impossible to get the chair to do that without it being on some sort of track. Just some food for thought.

I agree, however, that because we cannot see the room in its entirety, there is no way to be 100% certain what is going on, and with the sound of someone clearing their throat and heavy breathing in the room, the video is highly suspect.

When I do an investigation, I take the witness testimony, physical evidence, EVP's, etc. all into account. Without being in the house myself to do a proper investigation, there is no way to tell if this family is just a bunch of attention seekers or not.


Just my $.02.





Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Hard to tell whether this video is authentic, but it appears to be. The activity caught on tape is impressive and perhaps is the work of a poltergeist. The story mentions some scary stuff but this is the only video footage that I know of.

What do other members think about this video?

edit on 29/3/2011 by Dark Ghost because: spelling

The problem I have with this video is as much as it could be genuine it's actually far too easy to fake.

Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by NuclearPaul

 

Do you believe Ghosts can interact in our physical world, though? If so, how come their interaction always seems to be so limited?

edit on 29/3/2011 by Dark Ghost because: (no reason given)

But is it always so limited? There are plenty of stories out there from one extreme to the other. Just because the hard evidence isn't there, does that mean it didn't happen? Certainly doesn't mean it did of course.

What do we really expect from a ghost though? In some cases the ghost is supposedly trying to comunicate with the living in others it simply doesn't seem to realise it's dead and is continuing about it's business.

Originally posted by alienreality
It sounds like there is plenty of testimony from these people, and so I would think it wouldn't be a hoax if all these family members are telling their experiences..

But who's the testimony really from? It seems to me that it's really just the Mum, who could very easily have influenced the young kids. I'm not totally discounting their statements at all, but anything the kids say can hardly be considered strong.

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
Hey guys, I watched the video a few times, and did any of you stop to think about the trajectory of the chair in question? It clearly went on a curved pattern, not straight back, or even at a straight diagonal. It would be almost impossible to get the chair to do that without it being on some sort of track. Just some food for thought.

Yes, but there seems to be a number of objects on the floor which could potentially be used to pull string from different angles.

reply to post by DJKris

Yes, but there seems to be a number of objects on the floor which could potentially be used to pull string from different angles.

While that may be the case, you would still need some kind of track set up to make the chair move the way that it is moving in the video. The chair took a distinguishable curved trajectory which I don't think could be duplicated even with an elaborate pulley system. I highly doubt that the family would go to all that trouble just to continue a lie (if they were indeed lying). The physics of the chair moving doesn't add up.

Does this mean this video is genuine? Absolutely not. However, we need to take into account all of the evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, to come to an overall conclusion about this case.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by meathed

 

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but if you look it up, poltergeist just means 'noisy spirit' and applies to any phenomenon where things are thrown about, moved etc, and generally make noise. They usually happen where there is the presence of pre-teens, but that is not exclusive. Another thing to consider is the fact that I had pre-teen brothers in the house at the time, although the activity was focused on me.

Not exclusive?????????????
I dont disagree. But 99% of all cases involve preteens.
99% of them are GIRLS.
I DID consider your facts that why i stated my thoughts. If you dont agree then so be it. But it is not a poltergeist in my honest opinion. Its a haunting.
And YES there is a difference

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
reply to post by DJKris

 

Yes, but there seems to be a number of objects on the floor which could potentially be used to pull string from different angles.

While that may be the case, you would still need some kind of track set up to make the chair move the way that it is moving in the video. The chair took a distinguishable curved trajectory which I don't think could be duplicated even with an elaborate pulley system. I highly doubt that the family would go to all that trouble just to continue a lie (if they were indeed lying). The physics of the chair moving doesn't add up.

Does this mean this video is genuine? Absolutely not. However, we need to take into account all of the evidence, anecdotal and otherwise, to come to an overall conclusion about this case.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Here Is What Really Happened -
1. The dog fell down the stairs.
2. Kids were upset.
3. Mum cant even afford to paint the wall properly in her "living room" , let alone buy the kids another dog.
4. Mum Watched poltergeist movie. Had a brainwave . . .
5. Used kids train track put chair on it, used some fishing wire to move it.
6. Record event with a low quality webcam
7. Sell some story with unconvincing evidence to one of the worst newspapers, for some cash
8. Get paid , Buy new dog
9. Poltergeist never turns back up , ( until they need a holiday )

Thats what i think has happened there.

I believe in paranormal activity but i really believe this is a hoax ( all my opinion )

Peace

reply to post by meathed


Agreed. Maybe what happened to me was just lingering from when my sister had the room before me. Do you think that's possible? She was in that room as a pre-teen and up until she got married. She was a hot head and had a lot of negative energy going back then. Not so anymore though.

reply to post by wtbengineer


I had poltergeist activity throughout my teens, so there you go, not only pre-teens!

I would have thought if this were staged they could have came up with something better, if anything maybe this helps their incredible claim. Still no way of telling without more investigations.

reply to post by BLKMJK


That's kind of what I was thinking. I've seen some incredible video of supposed poltergeist activity and this video is not even close. I feel that if I wanted to fake one I'd make it spectacular.

reply to post by syntheticbutterfly


Thanks for the reply. I know I've heard about more cases that didn't involve pre-teens. While I think Meathed is basically correct, I don't know about the percentage. I think it's probably more like 75% pre-teen girls.

Wow...this "spirit" sure was nice to oblige these folks to move the two objects they just so randomly happened to perfectly place in view of the video camera. I'd keep this entity around for laughs and party tricks!!

I get so tired of seeing pictures and videos taken of an empty room or object that would not ordinarily be subject matter being used as evidence of something paranormal. An unassuming picture or video of a group or family gathering with something blatantly unusual in it is much more compelling than a staged scene like this. Classic weak trickery.

Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by meathed

 

Agreed. Maybe what happened to me was just lingering from when my sister had the room before me. Do you think that's possible? She was in that room as a pre-teen and up until she got married. She was a hot head and had a lot of negative energy going back then. Not so anymore though.

Sorry to you and Synth, if i came over to strong. And as i read back over my post im aware that i didnt explain myself and my thoughts properly to you at all, fore that i am sorry.
What i was trying to get across, is that it seems to me like these poltregeist encounters usually occur to females and that usually occurs between that stage and age when they are preteen and then start to turn into a fertile woman able to reproduce children.( And that age may differ for many) Only then will that chemistry change in the new woman and only then the poltergeist activity will stop.
Its just my thoughts. I dont mean to offend, i apoligize if i do.

Just so happens the ghost doesn't do a single thing that a human can't easily fake?

As always, such events should be evaluated by professional magicians and illusionists before being accepted.

reply to post by meathed


No offense taken friend. Thanks for posting your thoughts. I agree with most all that you say, just not sure about the %. No big deal.

Originally posted by goddesslovr88
Wow...this "spirit" sure was nice to oblige these folks to move the two objects they just so randomly happened to perfectly place in view of the video camera. I'd keep this entity around for laughs and party tricks!!

I get so tired of seeing pictures and videos taken of an empty room or object that would not ordinarily be subject matter being used as evidence of something paranormal. An unassuming picture or video of a group or family gathering with something blatantly unusual in it is much more compelling than a staged scene like this. Classic weak trickery.

It is my understanding that she placed multiple camera's in different rooms. There really is no winning in these video's because there is absolutely no way of verifying its authenticity. Where some will see this as a hoax due to their own preconceived idea's of what is actually possible, others will see this as a verification what what they already believe. That being said, I at least find the story interesting, thanks OP.

reply to post by wtbengineer


Agreed,
My % could be way off the true mark and i wont dispute that my friend.
As i stated before, i do not doubt you and all that you have said.
Im just trying to help you place a label on your experience so to speak.

Peace.
Meathed

Originally posted by meathed
reply to post by Dark Ghost

 

Thanks for story.

Its prepubescent Ellie.
All poltergeist manifestations always involve preteens. Its something to do with the brain chemistry with the pre teen. Whether it is the pre teen manifesting it or an entity that has been attracted to the child's changing energy as they move from child to teen.
So it doesn't matter where the family goes, they will still have their unwanted visitor until puberty hits Ellie.

s&f

edit on 29-3-2011 by meathed because: (no reason given)

Wrong.

Not ALL poltergeists focus on pre-teens. Often adults and children in turmoil can be affected and menopause can make it happen with older female experiencers.

It's most often assumed it focuses on a pre-teen or teen, however, it's not always the case.

What's that old cliche about assuming?

Lisa Manning say she and her children Ellie, 11, and Jaydon, six, and her partner Anthony have fled their several times, according to a report in Britain's Daily Mail newspaper.

Sorry to be pendantic but ''fled their.....'' what?

Not your fault OP, but poor reporting.

Originally posted by johngtr
reply to post by Zeta Reticulan

 

My Opinion - Fake, trying to get money of the paper for nothing (P.S. Thought I Would Mention I Hate The Sun Newspaper, Obviously, "Hillsborough")

Methinks, if they live in a council house, this is their bid for better accommodations. As in, "We can't live in this council house, it's haunted!! We need a new one, preferably with three bedrooms and two full size baths."

For US readers: Council house = free welfare housing.