Nostradamus Quatrain on the Japan Quake - Decoded

reply to post by Stratus9
i hate to burst your bubble but the real translation is to do with France
from my Dover copy 2000 of the 1961 reprint of the Edgar Leoni.
C10Q6 reads as thus from the book,

The Gardon will flood Nimes so high
That they will believe Deucalion reborn:
Into the colossus' the greater part will flee,
Vesta tomb" fire to appear extinguished.
definitions of ' and"
' the famous amphitheater of Nimes, surviving from Roman times.
"Probably meaning a tomb with an"eternal flame" such as that kept by the priestesses of Vesta.

as written in the book word for word on page 381

now for my own thought's en.wikipedia.org... this is the river form the link

The Gardon or Gard (Occitan and French: Gardon, Gard) is a river in southern France. It is the namesake of the Gard département. Several of its tributaries are also called Gardon.

this is the place en.wikipedia.org...

Nîmes (Provençal Occitan: Nimes) is a city in southern France. It is the capital of the Gard department in the Languedoc-Roussilon. Nîmes has a rich history, dating back to the Roman Empire, and it is a popular tourist destination.

this is what is thought to be reborn en.wikipedia.org... this: "Into the colossus' the greater part will flee" is still to be interpreted www.merriam-webster.com...
as to what it could mean as well as this "Vesta tomb" is still up in the air
To me this C10 Q6 has nothing to do with japan, but only with France. it is no wonder he is so misinterpreted. now if were we to look for the french we would find something different,then maybe not, Sardon en.wikipedia.org...
Nemaus, latin so we get this www.livius.org...
d'eborderont search.yahoo.com... get what you can out of that, one is this, dict.sylang.com...
i hope you get the rest of it.

reply to post by Stratus9


Hello again, Stratus9

I just read the second quatrain and the last two sentences would seem to corroborate that the rulers will botch the job on the reactors, more than a second Tsunami appearing, like I feel it is meant in the first quatrain you posted.. I hope I do not sound like a Troll for seeing that part differently!

Thanks again and see you soon!

reply to post by bekod


Hello. I hope you are not working from a translated version of Nostradamus work! It would be like trying to translate the Aramaic Bible using the Greek one...

It is almost impossible to understand as it is in French... And the English version seems to have been modernized in some of its words in the translation, which is something I feel changes the subtleties of the texts.
You definitely need to use the original texts.

And the verb déborder is first used to talk about overflowing liquids. The image of over(whatever else) comes second.

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


I use the original, earliest french publications of the Quatrains- as I indicated at the very beginning of my post "C10Q6 - 1568" and I posted the oldest published french quatrain.

I also use the astrology and astrological signs of the time as well as the calendar and Nostradamus' rules of anagramming.

Originally posted by Aresh Troxit
reply to post by Stratus9

 

Hello again, Stratus9

I just read the second quatrain and the last two sentences would seem to corroborate that the rulers will botch the job on the reactors, more than a second Tsunami appearing, like I feel it is meant in the first quatrain you posted.. I hope I do not sound like a Troll for seeing that part differently!

Thanks again and see you soon!

No troll. I see it the same way. I'm not 'feeling' another tsunami in this - but bringing back Ducalion a second time does not mitigate the possibility.

reply to post by Stratus9


I was talking to bekod, as I saw you were using the French quatrain first to explain you idea!

I will look a bit more into Deucalion as I do not know much about him.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by Stratus9

 

i hate to burst your bubble but the real translation is to do with France
from my Dover copy 2000 of the 1961 reprint of the Edgar Leoni.
C10Q6 reads as thus from the book,

The Gardon will flood Nimes so high
That they will believe Deucalion reborn:
Into the colossus' the greater part will flee,
Vesta tomb" fire to appear extinguished.
definitions of ' and"
' the famous amphitheater of Nimes, surviving from Roman times.
"Probably meaning a tomb with an"eternal flame" such as that kept by the priestesses of Vesta.

as written in the book word for word on page 381

now for my own thought's en.wikipedia.org... this is the river form the link

The Gardon or Gard (Occitan and French: Gardon, Gard) is a river in southern France. It is the namesake of the Gard département. Several of its tributaries are also called Gardon.

this is the place en.wikipedia.org...

Nîmes (Provençal Occitan: Nimes) is a city in southern France. It is the capital of the Gard department in the Languedoc-Roussilon. Nîmes has a rich history, dating back to the Roman Empire, and it is a popular tourist destination.

this is what is thought to be reborn en.wikipedia.org... this: "Into the colossus' the greater part will flee" is still to be interpreted www.merriam-webster.com...
as to what it could mean as well as this "Vesta tomb" is still up in the air
To me this C10 Q6 has nothing to do with japan, but only with France. it is no wonder he is so misinterpreted. now if were we to look for the french we would find something different,then maybe not, Sardon en.wikipedia.org...
Nemaus, latin so we get this www.livius.org...
d'eborderont search.yahoo.com... get what you can out of that, one is this, dict.sylang.com...
i hope you get the rest of it.

No bubble involved.

I have read the other translation of this and he took the easy way out- as he did when he referred to as "Sept" being "July" in another of his translations that I have always disagreed with.(C10 Q 72)

1.Nostradamus was of the Mystery schools. He was not limited to France and had a good familiarity with the Orient. This, in part, is why he had to 'hide' his knowledge from the Church.

2. To invoke Deucalion was to refer to a flood of Biblical proportions combined somehow with the 'fire of the Gods'. No river in France can create this sort of devastation. When I first studied this Quatrain I looked for any atomic test, accident, etc that would combine the two. Finding none, I knew it was a future event that probably involved a Reactor based on a coastline.

3. If Nostradamus meant the Nimes - he would have referred to it as 'Nimes'. Usually when a word is cloaked like this it means to start anagramming.

4. "The Gardon will flood" - Action by a noun- and a very clear anagram. Dragon is known both in the West and the East. They bring both Luck and Death. There is no other medieval symbol that I can think of that illustrates a Nuclear Reactor in this way.

5. Leonis' translation to 'so high' rather than it's proper "overflowing" is unforgivable. It is a good thing he was not attempting to translate the Bible.

6. "Vesta's Sepulchre (Tomb) was reinforced for me just last night upon discovery that the nuclear professionals call the casing on the Reactor "The Shroud". I discovered this right here on ATS after I had posted my first post.

For the above reasons I stand by my translation currently. I am open minded about possible changes but I disagree and always have disagreed with most of Leoni's translations.

I am still wanting to confer with someone with a deeper understanding of katakana.

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reply to post by Aresh Troxit


Oh, ok. It was late when I was posting and I didn't understand. Thank you for the clarification.

Gotta love Nostradamus...

Sense comes from his predictions only AFTER they happen.

Makes you wonder whether or not that was the way they were intended to be revealed...

Sorry, but once again Nostradamus' bad poetry misses the mark.

It takes quite a bit of creativity to make that nonsensical quatrain fit the Japan quake. People, stop pretending that this medieval boob has magic powers.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Sorry, but once again Nostradamus' bad poetry misses the mark.

It takes quite a bit of creativity to make that nonsensical quatrain fit the Japan quake. People, stop pretending that this medieval boob has magic powers.

Perhaps in your next reply, if you have one, you will clearly state the reasoning behind your skepticism of this particular CQ rather than name calling and tossing the entire thing off the cliff. If you aren't willing to take the time to do so, then your statement shouldn't be taken any more seriously than you want all of the 'People' to take Nostradamus' writings.

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Originally posted by Monts
Gotta love Nostradamus...

Sense comes from his predictions only AFTER they happen.

Makes you wonder whether or not that was the way they were intended to be revealed...

Imagine if people would have been intelligent enough to understand the 'Hister' Quatrain before WW2.
Point being that most peoples laxity in study of history, alchemy, astrology, languages, etc does not make Nostradamus 'wrong'. It simply means that the interpretation is difficult to decipher- and that is exactly why he wrote in cypher.

It wasn't meant for everyone, especially the narrow minded.

Originally posted by Stratus9

Perhaps in your next reply, if you have one, you will clearly state the reasoning behind your skepticism of this particular CQ rather than name calling and tossing the entire thing off the cliff. If you aren't willing to take the time to do so, then your statement shouldn't be taken any more seriously than you want all of the 'People' to take Nostradamus' writings.

What else needs to be said? His quatrain is cryptic nonsense as usual and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Japan quake. Also, people cannot "see the future", so the attempt to give this quatrain validity by shoehorning in the Japan quake only perpetuates magical thinking and mystical balderdash.

Originally posted by Stratus9
Imagine if people would have been intelligent enough to understand the 'Hister' Quatrain before WW2.

How can it be "intelligently understood" even after WW2? You still have to change the "st" to "tl" to make it work. If we have to rearrange letters to make it work then it had no accuracy to begin with.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Stratus9

Perhaps in your next reply, if you have one, you will clearly state the reasoning behind your skepticism of this particular CQ rather than name calling and tossing the entire thing off the cliff. If you aren't willing to take the time to do so, then your statement shouldn't be taken any more seriously than you want all of the 'People' to take Nostradamus' writings.

What else needs to be said? His quatrain is cryptic nonsense as usual and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Japan quake. Also, people cannot "see the future", so the attempt to give this quatrain validity by shoehorning in the Japan quake only perpetuates magical thinking and mystical balderdash.

I didn't 'shoehorn'. You will see that when you actually read my posts.

And I guess we will see if this CQ were right and the follow-up CQ I placed as it's result as this event plays out. I never insist that I am absolutely correct about anything on earth. People can take it or leave it, think about it or not. The only thing I am dogmatic about is retaining an open mind on all subjects.


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Originally posted by Stratus9
I didn't 'shoehorn'.

Yes you did. You present a quatrain that has nothing to do with Japan or earthquakes and told us it was about the Japan earthquake.

And I guess we will see if this CQ were right and the follow-up CQ I placed as it's result as this event plays out.

I have absolutely no doubt that either you or someone else will find a way to make it seem "right".

reply to post by Aresh Troxit
so you say this is not one of the 300 or so retyped works www.amazon.com... the book Nostradamus and His Prophecies [Paperback]
Edgar Leoni (Author) try again. www.skepticfiles.org... from link se if you can get the same from this From _Nostradanus and His Prophecies_ by Edgar Leoni. This book
contains the original French, English translations, commentary, etc.

Several days ago, some one claimed that quatrain X, verse 74 spelled
doom for CA. I'd like to know how!

Au revolu de grand nombre septieme,
Apparaitra au temps jeux d'Hecatombe:
Non eloigne du grand age millieme,
Que les entres (3) sortiront de leur tombe.

ok translate.
and yes the web can be used just show the web sites.

Thier was no dragon* how could nostradmus confuse dragon with the ground shaking about? one thing i never understood about him..his words in labeling things. and how does this quadrant coincide with 2011?
i reead a book in bookstore once, early 90's about nostradamus. it had timetables of events supposed to happen. in 1989, california was suposed to break off via an enormous earthquake. they had 2 that year( my fatehrs mother lived in sacramento at the time, 7.8 on ricotr scale i belive). well CA is still thier.
he also mentions at 44 degrees lattitude, fire will fall from the sky chaos. how does one know its a nuclear bomb and correct time frame? to me, it sounds like people take the lines from nostradums, and put them into a current timeframe, to justify it.

reply to post by Aresh Troxit
it is not a person it is a thing like the devil, a god or a belief. as this is one en.wikipedia.org... from the link n Greek mythology Deucalion (Ancient Greek: Δευκαλίων) was a son of Prometheus and Pronoia. The anger of Zeus was ignited by the hubris of the Pelasgians, and he decided to put an end to the Bronze Age. Lycaon, the king of Arcadia, had sacrificed a boy to Zeus, who was appalled by this cannibal offering. Zeus loosed a deluge, so that the rivers ran in torrents and the sea flooded the coastal plain, engulfed the foothills with spray, and washed everything clean. Deucalion, with the aid of his father Prometheus, was saved from this deluge by building a chest. Like his Biblical equivalent Noah and Mesopotamian counterpart Utnapishtim, he uses his chest to save himself and his wife, Pyrrah.
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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Stratus9
Imagine if people would have been intelligent enough to understand the 'Hister' Quatrain before WW2.

How can it be "intelligently understood" even after WW2? You still have to change the "st" to "tl" to make it work. If we have to rearrange letters to make it work then it had no accuracy to begin with.

Well that's better. An actual discussion. If I wanted someone to just come in and hack at my post with a dull cleaver, I would have posted it on GLP.

Nostradamus letters explain his anagram rules and the 'Hister' follows them.

My main interest on feedback right now is on the second Q I posted - the follow up that says Japan will be cut off from the rest of the Earth - but her children (who have arrows tipped with the 'Fire of the Gods') will be loosened. And that it will be centuries before she (Japan) recovers

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