John Searl Magnetics

reply to post by LUXUS


You have posted as a reply to the 2003 case in reference to SISRC/Searl International Space Research Consortium.

The organization in question in 1978 was the National Space Research Consortium.

Just for the record.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Many people worked with John mostly as volunteers but they would get bored and leave after a while when they seen that the project was going nowhere so yes there have been many people who worked on these models.

I'm certain that's true but that doesn't prove that no one tried to use what they learned working with Searl to go on a money-making venture of their own.

Do you have a dog in this fight in any way? You mentioned something about you used to live near Searl? Or did you not say that?

reply to post by Mary Rose


Yes I used to live near him thats how I know about him being a fraud, he has been basically saying the same crap for ages with no results.

There is no technology to steal as it never worked.

So now that you see that the "warminster thing" looks nothing like Johns models you still want to believe him, basically it all comes down to that...you want to believe him so its pointless showing you he is a fraud.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Yes I used to live near him thats how I know about him being a fraud, he has been basically saying the same crap for ages with no results.

Did you know him personally?

Originally posted by LUXUS
So now that you see that the "warminster thing" looks nothing like Johns models you still want to believe him, basically it all comes down to that...you want to believe him so its pointless showing you he is a fraud.

Not so fast.

I haven't even commented on your "warminster thing" reply yet and you're drawing conclusions?

Originally posted by Mary Rose
Did you know him personally?

Also, he used to give presentations on the first Sunday of each month at St. John's Hall, Mortimer, Berkshire that were open to scientists, the press, and the public. Did you ever go to one of those?

I understand from the DVD that the press used to come to make mockery and one time he spoke for 10 hours without notes and someone from the press came up to him and remarked about never seeing anything like that before.

Possible breakthrough here Mary.

The secret to building the device is known only to three people, but Searl has left clues throughout his voluminous writings (several thousand pages). "An earlier download available to Searl members contained a key that we should not have included, because with that a person can build one of these," said Moore. The most recent DVD available to members has this removed.
pesn.com...

Now this is exciting! Do you know anyone that may have downloaded that key? You can build one if you have the key!

Hey! Wait a minute here. If they have that key why haven't they built one yet? I see they removed the key from the recent DVD available to members. Why would they do that? Why would they be worried someone else could beat them to it? They wouldn't be the kind to put profit before people would they? (As if it's real anyway) That Moore guy cracks me up.

Reading down a little farther I see

Searl has mixed emotions about this recent breakthrough in which they now have a device to demonstrate the principle. "It's a very exciting thing," he said. "1968 was the last time I saw magnets rolling around a ring.

1968 was the last time? Uh, what powered the rest of the claimed 500 IGV flights until "About 1978"?

Why do they let this man speak? Why does Sterling D. Allan print this stuff?

1. If the key gets into the wrong hands and the device gets patented - first to patent not to invent is the law now in the U.S - the SEG could get shelved.
   
2. The SEG and the IGV are two different devices. The SEG is small and sits on a table. The IGV is large and I don't think you observe the rollers going around in the same way you do with the SEG.
   

reply to post by Mary Rose

If the key gets into the wrong hands and the device gets patented - first to patent not to invent is the law now in the U.S - the SEG could get shelved.

The key is still "out there" though. Team Searl or somebody should have come up with something by now. The article I quoted in my previous post was from 2007. Remember, they say they know how to make it.

The SEG and the IGV are two different devices. The SEG is small and sits on a table. The IGV is large and I don't think you observe the rollers going around in the same way you do with the SEG.

In Searlworld an IGV is powered by a SEG.

The Inverse Gravity Vehicle is a craft designed to take full advantage of the SEG's unexpected propensity to lift and defy the force of gravity.

The IGV is structurally designed to support and integrate a very large and powerful scaled up version of the SEG within a suitable flight controlled frame in the form of a slender disc.
searlsolution.com...

He also claimed in 1982(?) the SEG had powered his home for 30 years. Rounded or not '82 is well after ''68.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
The key is still "out there" though. Team Searl or somebody should have come up with something by now. The article I quoted in my previous post was from 2007. Remember, they say they know how to make it.

There are numerous pressures brought to bear on any inventor of a free energy technology. Stop and think about it and do some reading on your own. I'm not going to spoon-feed you on that.

Also, read "June 29th, 2003" on this page: "Public Notices"

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
In Searlworld an IGV is powered by a SEG.

I know that. The point I made remains.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
He also claimed in 1982(?) the SEG had powered his home for 30 years. Rounded or not '82 is well after ''68.

We've established his SEG was confiscated and he went to jail in 1983. While he was in jail his wife burned his papers and destroyed his equipment. When he came out of prison his marriage was over and I believe he was homeless. He started over again in 1987. He has been mocked and ridiculed in the media. Do you see that that could be a problem getting backing? You know about the incident in 2003.

Originally posted by Mary Rose
We've established his SEG was confiscated

No, that has not been established at all....

and he went to jail in 1983.

for theft....

He has been mocked and ridiculed in the media.

For making silly claims he is unable to back up....

Originally posted by hellobruce
No, that has not been established at all....

Maybe if someone had access to the minutes of the court proceedings it could be proven; I don't know. I'm not going to take that on as a project, however.

Originally posted by hellobruce
for theft....

The newspaper report blamed it more on a "vendetta" involving destroying property, not stealing electricity.

For making silly claims he is unable to back up....

Anyone involved with flying saucers or free energy technology will be ridiculed by the press. That's part of the program.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
Reading down a little farther I see

Searl has mixed emotions about this recent breakthrough in which they now have a device to demonstrate the principle. "It's a very exciting thing," he said. "1968 was the last time I saw magnets rolling around a ring.

1968 was the last time? Uh, what powered the rest of the claimed 500 IGV flights until "About 1978"?

From what I've seen in this thread and elsewhere -- it took Searl decades to build a metallic ring, surround it by magnetic rollers and create a chassis to hold all of this together in a way that allows rotation of that system. There is a rather striking disparity between the grandiose scale of his promises (flying saucer making routine flights etc) and the very mundane nature of his mockup he took so long to build.

I saw a functioning remotely controlled submarine built by undergrads at MIT. It's probably still on display in one of the hallways there. Now, that's an impressive piece of technology. On the other hand, I'm not sure what group of people would marvel at a spinning ring and a few magnets, a simple mock up... Apart from the senile and small children.

Originally posted by LUXUS
This one is hilarious and just shows you how fruity John Searl actually is. He has taken information available in any chemistry textbook regarding the properties of the elements, put them in a few columns and declares it as a personal achievement as if he discovered these things hahaha...what a fruit cake!

Is he relating the properties of various elements to the "Magic Squares," which I understand is an ancient concept which may have validity in the same way as Marko Rodin's use of decimal parity or "casting out nines," which is part of Vedic mathematics. I believe the Magic Squares is crucial to getting the right amount of the right element in the right place on the SEG.

I know that Searl has written numerous books on the Magic Squares, but I haven't started reading up on that yet.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by Mary Rose
Did you know him personally?

Also, he used to give presentations on the first Sunday of each month at St. John's Hall, Mortimer, Berkshire that were open to scientists, the press, and the public. Did you ever go to one of those?

I understand from the DVD that the press used to come to make mockery and one time he spoke for 10 hours without notes and someone from the press came up to him and remarked about never seeing anything like that before.

No I don't know him personally, I talked with him a few times and in the beginning kept tabs on progress but as the years passed by I lost interest and faith in him also because my research showed he would tell numerous lies.

He once told me that the bbc filmed his seg in operation and that they ran a weekly tv update so I contacted the bbc archives department about this. They got back to me and told me no such film exists and there is no record of it existing either. I then went to the library to access the tv guide for the year John said this happened. I went through 2 or 3 newspapers tv guide section for the whole year and found that he was not telling the truth.

I checked the price of neodymium metal in china to see the price and found he was not telling the truth about that either.

Then his updates were continuously contradicting themselves for example he would have a ring made, show photos of it then 6 months later make the statement that first they needed to build a ring.

I showed you the video of lies he was telling about the ring producing electricity when in fact it was being rubbed to create a static charge.

I showed you that the Warminster UFO he claims to be responsible for is 100 miles away from where he lived and looked nothing like his model plus the fact the people who seen the device said it made a frightening sound whilst John will tell you that his craft was absolutely silent when in operation

He is telling lies about winning his court case also, he was jailed for over £7000 wort of damage to the electricity boards equipment and stealing electricity.

He is not telling the truth about his qualifications, he is not a professor and he was also not in the armed forces. He frequently wears uniform to pretend he is some kind of war veteran.

He only did work-experience for 1 or 2 weeks at the electrical company he later claimed that magnetised his first seg.

The "levity" disc does use rotating rollers actually and you can even see this in computer animations produced by the searl team.

reply to post by LUXUS


Are you Flowerbower?

Originally posted by Mary Rose

1. If the key gets into the wrong hands and the device gets patented - first to patent not to invent is the law now in the U.S - the SEG could get shelved.
   
2. The SEG and the IGV are two different devices. The SEG is small and sits on a table. The IGV is large and I don't think you observe the rollers going around in the same way you do with the SEG.
   

"The key" lol, lets hope that that "key" falls into the hands of the searl team because then they will be finally able produce a working model

BTW John Said that during one of the test flights radar towers were used to confirm the speed, you might want to access the radar archive information for the date given....don't be surprised if they tell you there are no records of this.

Didn't John say also that during that test the levity disk took off and landed again soooo fast that the reporters said it never left the ground or could it be that it actually never did leave the ground and the reporters concluded John was a fruit cake!

Originally posted by Mary Rose
reply to post by LUXUS

 

Are you Flowerbower?

Nope!

Originally posted by LUXUS
I used to live near Prof John Searl as a kid

What was the time frame?