ELEnin Comet Is A NASA Psyop Cover For Incoming Dwarf Star

Originally posted by liveandletlive
reply to post by truthseekr1111

 

"First off, There's still unanswered questions regarding Leo's identity and issue surrounding Elenins discovery etc."

I would like to know more about this. Why would there be any mystery around the person that discovered the comet. Is he real?

Yes, he is.

Because on this very site, I've seen interviews, in Russian, and records of him dating back to 2008, and he's discovered other objects as well.

en.wikipedia.org...

This is Leonid Elenin from Moscow. As well as being named after a great meteor shower, he is a well-versed optical astronomer and interested in just about anything that can be observed, from supernova hunting to comet tracking to minor planet discovery. He has contacted Tenagra because he wants to follow TNOs (Trans Neptunian Objects, like Pluto but much fainter) through the Tenagra II 32". This requires reaching magnitude 21 and is the perfect job for the large aperture.

Leonid also specializes in any thing the moves, covering all MPs and comets.

images.search.yahoo.com...

He seems to be a real person. Im having problems with the link.

Originally posted by NyxOne

Originally posted by liveandletlive
reply to post by truthseekr1111

 

"First off, There's still unanswered questions regarding Leo's identity and issue surrounding Elenins discovery etc."

I would like to know more about this. Why would there be any mystery around the person that discovered the comet. Is he real?

Yes, he is.

Because on this very site, I've seen interviews, in Russian, and records of him dating back to 2008, and he's discovered other objects as well.

en.wikipedia.org...

So according to you, there's no questions or reason to ask for more evidence? Great. Thanks for your OPINION.

I and others on the other hand, feel the so-called evidence, is incomplete, questionable, not so convincing and the arguments about him haven't been fully addressed or proven conclusively wrong.

Trying to find information on the guy is difficult. I have tried looking for interviews and the like but I haven’t found any. When you search using his name 8,000+ results come up. They all seem to be the doomsday sites and stories. What are the problems with his identity? I haven’t heard of this till now.

By way of introduction, I worked for US Intelligence (several agencies) for more than 30 years. I retired in 2004 and moved far away from Washington, DC (and I'm loving every minute of it). Most of my time was spent in HUMINT (human intelligence) recruiting people, setting up cover offices, organizations, and backstops.

The whole "Leonid Elenin" matter has interested me from the first time I heard the name a few months ago. I did some on-line research and found the same thing that has been mentioned already in this post - no sign of Elenin prior to 2008.

I'm speaking from experience when I say that it is extremely easy to set up a false persona with all the documentation that goes with it. If Leonid Elenin does not exist someone did a very poor job of backstopping him by only going back to 2008. The only thing that will convince me that this is a real person is to see an interview with him by a reputable news media (might be hard to find one of those). But, that does beg another question - "Why no interviews of this character?"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is interesting.

reply to post by liveandletlive


There is no interview with him because this is a minor comet. It's no different from the hundred-odd others discovered every year. The only time you will see MSM coverage of a comet is if it can seen with the naked eye (Hale-Bopp), does something we have never seen before (Shoemaker-Levy 9), or is involved in a research mission (Hartley). The only reason Elenin has received any attention outside of the astronomical community is because of people like Astrolpatriot.

Originally posted by liveandletlive
By way of introduction, I worked for US Intelligence (several agencies) for more than 30 years. I retired in 2004 and moved far away from Washington, DC (and I'm loving every minute of it). Most of my time was spent in HUMINT (human intelligence) recruiting people, setting up cover offices, organizations, and backstops.

The whole "Leonid Elenin" matter has interested me from the first time I heard the name a few months ago. I did some on-line research and found the same thing that has been mentioned already in this post - no sign of Elenin prior to 2008.

I'm speaking from experience when I say that it is extremely easy to set up a false persona with all the documentation that goes with it. If Leonid Elenin does not exist someone did a very poor job of backstopping him by only going back to 2008. The only thing that will convince me that this is a real person is to see an interview with him by a reputable news media (might be hard to find one of those). But, that does beg another question - "Why no interviews of this character?"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is interesting.

And its threads like that above (which i've read all the way through), which I'm talking about and base my skepticism and questions on including what you've pointed out about how easy it is for US intelligence to create false personas; something which alot of evidence suggests that happened on 9/11.

So There is EVIDENCE to suggest somethings not quite right about the entire issue surrounding Elenin... from the alleged astronomer to the alleged comet itself.
And until I see more answers adequately addressing basic questions that threads like the one above are asking, excuse me for NOT TRUSTING NASA which is a military/government controlled agency. Anyone who can't understand WHY we shouldn't trust the government is either extremely naive, ignorant or probably has an agenda imo.

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Here is her video where she predicts something will occur on March 31st in California.



And here are two pictures showing that Elenin did not align with the Earth and the Sun on March 11. This first one shows that on March 11 Elenin was below the orbit of the planets. This illustrates what I and others have said that if you look at Elenin's orbit in 3D it is impossible for an alignment to occur.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f2a9ce6d0af6.jpg[/atsimg]

This second picture takes the classic picture we have seen of Elenin's orbit, that supposedly shows an alignment on March 11. I have then taken this picture and drawn a line between Elenin and Earth (white) and Elenin and the Sun (green). You will notice that these lines are completely different and intersect at no point. This means that there was no alignment that took place on March 11.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ac9aee73063a.jpg[/atsimg]

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What about the other space agencies and organizations that have confirmed the existence of Elenin. One example would be the one that Leonid Elenin works for. Then of course there are the amateur astronomers that have also seen this comet and confirmed its existence. There's even one on this site who has been tracking it every night and taking pictures. He said if anyone is interested they can email him and get the pictures. There is more to the study of space than just NASA.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by liveandletlive

 

There is no interview with him because this is a minor comet. It's no different from the hundred-odd others discovered every year. The only time you will see MSM coverage of a comet is if it can seen with the naked eye (Hale-Bopp), does something we have never seen before (Shoemaker-Levy 9), or is involved in a research mission (Hartley). The only reason Elenin has received any attention outside of the astronomical community is because of people like Astrolpatriot.

which is exactly what a disinfo agent or someone ignorant of the evidence would say and want people to believe.

If there's no conspiracy and nothing to hide regarding elenin, then all the basic questions should be very easy to answer. They haven't been. the conspiracy theory continues emerging because once again there appears to be a near black-out on the subject of elenin and recent questions that haven't been adequately addressed. Kinda how the 9/11 conspiracy began and continues to grow 10 years later.

so I ain't buyin it

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by liveandletlive

 

There is no interview with him because this is a minor comet. It's no different from the hundred-odd others discovered every year. The only time you will see MSM coverage of a comet is if it can seen with the naked eye (Hale-Bopp), does something we have never seen before (Shoemaker-Levy 9), or is involved in a research mission (Hartley). The only reason Elenin has received any attention outside of the astronomical community is because of people like Astrolpatriot.

which is exactly what a disinfo agent or someone ignorant of the evidence would say and want people to believe.

If there's no conspiracy and nothing to hide regarding elenin, then all the basic questions should be very easy to answer. They haven't been. the conspiracy theory continues emerging because once again there appears to be a near black-out on the subject of elenin and recent questions that haven't been adequately addressed. Kinda how the 9/11 conspiracy began and continues to grow 10 years later.

so I ain't buyin it

Well, you can either believe it's an insignificant comet, or believe it's a brown dwarf despite the fact that this would be as bright as Jupiter, and that this would be happening if it was one:

www.youtube.com...

But, hey.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by truthseekr1111

 

Here is her video where she predicts something will occur on March 31st in California.

Uhmmm, sorry but THATS NOT THE VIDEO OR PREDICTION AT ISSUE

you're using ANOTHER warning that was quite different from the ORIGINAL statements/warning/prediction she made...

but she still explains in this one that there could be a quake around september/oct due to another specific Elenin "alignment" similar to the ones that may have had something to do with several other UNIQUE quakes specific to this supposed alignment... and from the past orbital data, the hypothesis/theory appears to have evidence to support it.

Is it a useful "method" in predicting "quakes" in general? Is there 100% proof that the 3 alignments in question caused 3 quakes?

NO ITS NOT and there isn't... i never said there was...

but the evidence suggests it goes far beyond mere coincidence imo. If there were just two i'd say its interesting and would need more data or another event to lend more credence to the hypothesis. So guess what happened on 3/11? NUMBER 3. which is why many are now paying attention or at least considering there's a relationship. It won't be until Sept Oct Nov that this hypothesis can be tested/measured again since only then will there be another SIMILAR "alignment".

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
And here are two pictures showing that Elenin did not align with the Earth and the Sun on March 11. This first one shows that on March 11 Elenin was below the orbit of the planets. This illustrates what I and others have said that if you look at Elenin's orbit in 3D it is impossible for an alignment to occur.

SORRY, but for all intents and purposes, the graph/image is a NEAR perfect ALIGNMENT... are you actually trying to argue it doesn't show any or even close alignment?

and if you consider perhaps up to a 4 day window on either side of this "alignment" to be within what might be considered an ALIGNMENT in question, the claim about an alignment, is VALID and someone giving a date of 3/11 to 3/15 or that narrow of a window for such a major unique quake, is extremely accurate.

So what are you trying to argue? or are you just in denial and playing semantics?

and whether or not a 3D model would show the kind of alignment you say this one doesn't, is irrelevant to this issue.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
This second picture takes the classic picture we have seen of Elenin's orbit, that supposedly shows an alignment on March 11. I have then taken this picture and drawn a line between Elenin and Earth (white) and Elenin and the Sun (green). You will notice that these lines are completely different and intersect at no point. This means that there was no alignment that took place on March 11.

SEE ABOVE

Originally posted by NyxOne

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by liveandletlive

 

There is no interview with him because this is a minor comet. It's no different from the hundred-odd others discovered every year. The only time you will see MSM coverage of a comet is if it can seen with the naked eye (Hale-Bopp), does something we have never seen before (Shoemaker-Levy 9), or is involved in a research mission (Hartley). The only reason Elenin has received any attention outside of the astronomical community is because of people like Astrolpatriot.

which is exactly what a disinfo agent or someone ignorant of the evidence would say and want people to believe.

If there's no conspiracy and nothing to hide regarding elenin, then all the basic questions should be very easy to answer. They haven't been. the conspiracy theory continues emerging because once again there appears to be a near black-out on the subject of elenin and recent questions that haven't been adequately addressed. Kinda how the 9/11 conspiracy began and continues to grow 10 years later.

so I ain't buyin it

Well, you can either believe it's an insignificant comet, or believe it's a brown dwarf despite the fact that this would be as bright as Jupiter, and that this would be happening if it was one:

www.youtube.com...

But, hey.

i'm not saying its a brown dwarf nor am i saying elenin isn't a comet ... but who/what specific source has calculated the size? Let me take a wild guess, NASA?

Oh, and i'm also not claiming its Nibiru.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by truthseekr1111

 

What about the other space agencies and organizations that have confirmed the existence of Elenin.

what agencies? and how many are truly independent?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
One example would be the one that Leonid Elenin works for. Then of course there are the amateur astronomers that have also seen this comet and confirmed its existence.

where did i say comet Elenin doesn't exist?

I think there IS an "object" that they've NAMED "ELEnin"

but i question other aspects

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
There's even one on this site who has been tracking it every night and taking pictures. He said if anyone is interested they can email him and get the pictures. There is more to the study of space than just NASA.

you mean i can email someone claiming the title of Leonid

reply to post by truthseekr1111

So There is EVIDENCE to suggest somethings not quite right about the entire issue surrounding Elenin... from the alleged astronomer to the alleged comet itself.

Correction: there is overwhelming evidence that proves there is absolutely nothing exceptional about comet C/2010X-1 other than it being the first comet discovered by a Russian in twenty years. You have allowed PlanetXGuy's unsubstantiated claims and general internet fear mongering to blind you to the obvious truth. Please do not kill your pets in anticipation of the apocalypse; you've been lied to by charlatans.

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We're dealing with space here. What I have shown is that on March 11 Elenin was hundreds of thousands, if not millions of miles away from an alignment. Now let us discuss the Chile quake as this has also been claimed to have been caused by Elenin. At this time Elenin was far beyond the orbit of Jupiter. We constantly have alignments with Jupiter and this has never caused an earthquake. So, therefore for an object beyond Jupiter to have an effect that Jupiter has never had on our planet it must be much more massive than Jupiter. Yet, we are expected to believe that an object this massive is having no affect on the orbits of the planets and that when it is much closer it is producing earthquakes of similar magnitude. If it can cause an 8.8 earthquake that far out one would think as close as it is it would rip the world in half. Furthermore, an object that massive would be easily visible yet amateur astronomers are only seeing a comet. There is no logic behind the claims of Elenin causing earthquakes.

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You can email a member of this site who is an amateur astronomer and has tracked and photographed a comet exactly where Elenin is supposed to be. Nowhere did I say he was Leonid Elenin. However, if you do want to email him he has provided his email address on a few sites and a few members on here have gotten responses from him.

reply to post by truthseekr1111

what agencies? and how many are truly independent?

Why don't you stop letting YouTube create your reality for you and go outside and see for yourself:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/730b2541521d.jpg[/atsimg]
Global Rent A Scope

You can actually view the comet for yourself online if you prefer.

As for other "agencies," would you consider Remanzacco Observatory to be independent enough? How about Seiichi Yoshida, the noted Japanese comet hunter? Or Bernhard Haeusler? Or my personal favorite, Jean-Francois Soulier? Of course you would probably find these observers unacceptable because, unlike "Astrolpatriot," they are genuine astronomers.

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I’m trying to catch up. Has anyone posted an interview of Leonid ELEnin with recent pictures of his comet discovery? Also, why have the last couple of pages been about a psychic and someone on youtube? I thought the thread was about whether or not the PTB were hiding the truth about something that maybe coming. If the OP’s original questions hold up then wouldn’t that corroborate what the OP is proposing? Sorry if I’m trying to stay on topic but that is why I came here. The original topic! Boy do you guys know how to derail a thread.

If you go back and review the thread, you will see that none of the OP's assertions carries any weight whatsoever, and he has consistently dodged any attempt to refute the evidence presented to him.

1. Leonid Yelenin is a real person. His English is very basic and he has an excellent sense of humor. He is enjoying the notoriety the fear mongers are bringing to his discovery and himself. Thanks to Godlike Productions, his otherwise insignificant comet will live on in the public's imagination. You can contact him through SpaceObs.org

2. There is no correlation between comet C2010 X-1's position and earthquakes. There was no "alignment" on the day of the tsunami, and there have been dozens of earthquakes in the past year where the comet was at a different "alignment" than it was on that date.

3. A brown dwarf star would be massive and highly visible. An object larger than Jupiter passing through the asteroid belt would probably be visible by day by now.

4. Acrostics and anagrams are not evidence of anything! ELENIN= Evil Lawyers Eat Nice Innocent Naives at least has the benefit of being true.

Here's a counter example. Last year also saw the discovery of comet P/2010 E-2 JARNAC. One could contrive an "alignment" to correspond to an earthquake or two, and, unlike Leonid Yelenin, there is, in fact, no astronomer named Jarnac! (It was named for the observatory, as the discovery team already had a couple of other comets named after themselves.) JARNAC has sinister connotations; google coup de Jarnac, and you'll see.
Finally: Jesus, Astronaut, Returns: NIBIRU A Comet! Yes, childish really.

My extensive investigation into Leonid Elenin, seems a real guy, have talked to many of his peers and interact with him regularly. However, no one I've contacted has MET him in person and I've yet to see up-to-date video interview with him (he just wont' deliver, I asked).

So there are some obscurely private things about this guy who accepts ALL Facebook friend requests.

My take? He's the REAL DEAL. If Leonid Elenin is meant as a code name, NASA then just gave him credit for discovery of comet on the DL...just doesn't sound plausbile to me.

Saying that, I think there are still extremely odd things about the story...for example, Elenin didn't answer my question about how he was able to discover the comet in Dec 2010 when today it's barely visible with scopes.