100's of Thousands to march against cuts in London.

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WWjnr

I wish you would PARK you political beliefs because it is that old fashioned belief system which prevents forward movement..... and ultimately change....

I know from previous posts you have made that you have your own personal experiences and for those I can see where some of the bitterness comes from BUT '' stoking the masses'' as your comments try and (in my opinion) only go to further a political divide that needs to be bridged before anything will change !!!

Regards

PDUK

Originally posted by Ohboyohboy
and lets not even start on the "reform" of the NHS, since the condem government came to power I have maintained that they will try to privatise it, look whats happening. It may come under the guise of reform, but privatisation is their long term goal. Glad I live in Scotland.

Obob

One word to you and all those about the NHS................ PFI............

You think that the previos lot paid for new Hospitals etc etc ........... think again..... The PFI bomb is ticking and will cause more misey in future years....... That will cost a Fecking fortune ON TOP of what we have to already struggle with...........


Smoke and Mirrors, smoke and mirrors mate................People are REALLY completely unaware of the ''SCALE'' of the deciect and lies from the previous Labour Government.........

I hate ALL politicans whatever their colour BUT to those of you whom cling to the Labour Ideals.... Wake up you have been FECKED over...

Regards

PDUK

Is it any wonder that people are angry enough to protest though, cuts from here there and everywhere. Deficit or not the fact remains that countless millions of taxpayers money are squandered on crap that isnt needed yet the ONLY solution is to cut cut cut. Is the general consensus then that public sector is the reason the country is in a whole heap of debt?

Im not shouting labours praises in general because I believe our whole governmental system sucks balls and whoever is currently piloting this craft doesnt really matter because someone in some walk of life always ends up worse of than they previously were under another "colour"

Lets not forget though the things that labour brought to us such as working family tax

If you swallow the line about the reforms of the NHS being beneficial in the long term then go ahead - but as far as im concerned its opening the flood gates to private practitioners and will end up being somewhat like america in that if you cant afford treatment, screw you, go to the back of the queue

Originally posted by Ohboyohboy
Is it any wonder that people are angry enough to protest though, cuts from here there and everywhere. Deficit or not the fact remains that countless millions of taxpayers money are squandered on crap that isnt needed yet the ONLY solution is to cut cut cut. Is the general consensus then that public sector is the reason the country is in a whole heap of debt?

Well it more or less is, it and the benefits bill. Don't forget that alot of these public sector jobs that were created by Labour were created in their own constituencies, gaining them support when the jobs were created and now that the jobs have to be lost gaining them support again.

Originally posted by Ohboyohboy
Is it any wonder that people are angry enough to protest though, cuts from here there and everywhere. Deficit or not the fact remains that countless millions of taxpayers money are squandered on crap that isnt needed yet the ONLY solution is to cut cut cut. Is the general consensus then that public sector is the reason the country is in a whole heap of debt?

Obob
I don't think it is fair to suggest that the NHS and the Public sector is the source of all ills....... I think that as a society we have become so 'dumbed down' to the old political lines of division and old fashoined rethoric that people become entrenched and responsive to those whom like to agitate and cause trouble........

Whether you are rich or not so, everyone is feeling the pinch (perhaps except those at the VERY VERY top of the earnings tree..) but the trouble is that rising costs and everything else are relative to what people earn and that is hard at the moment, with little likelihood of improving in the next few years.......:-((

The cost of fuel is a classic...... The budget was an irrelevant exercise......... the price of fuel is dependant moreso on what happens to Col Ghaddafi or Saudi Arabia than Goergie Oz taking a penny off......... They could have reduced duty by 20p per litre (80p down to 60p) but then where do you make up the Tax take because remember that we are BORROWING £140 BILLION per year currently to STANDSTILL....


Back to the NHS and an interesting little factoid............. what industry has 45,000 people phoning in sick everyday ??? Could a normal business operate like that ? Is it a really good, effective and effiient business to operate in such a way ??

Regards

PDUK

Well with regard to that number of people phoning in sick every day, is it any wonder? Look at the wages they get paid.

Off topic a bit but isnt it about time that there were some sort of radical shake up in the way peoples wages are distributed? Someone mentioned footballers wages, celebrities etc etc. Isnt it about time people were paid to reflect their contribution to society. I dont know about you but I would rather see nurses take home more money than someone that kicks a ball around or slaps a pile of makeup on to look pretty for magazines....

I am vastly under educated in the ins and outs of exactly why we are in so much of a deficit to continue putting my two cents in, but I can see fault with the way our society is working as a whole

I should add though that while not being overly knowledgeable in politics, I do not see how labour can be solely blamed for the state of the country. TBH, I dont think it would matter who had been in power. If we didnt have a huge deficit we would be screwed over in some other way, of that much you can be sure

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
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WWjnr

I wish you would PARK you political beliefs because it is that old fashioned belief system which prevents forward movement..... and ultimately change....

I know from previous posts you have made that you have your own personal experiences and for those I can see where some of the bitterness comes from BUT '' stoking the masses'' as your comments try and (in my opinion) only go to further a political divide that needs to be bridged before anything will change !!!

Regards

PDUK

We are all entitled to our political beliefs, this is a free country. I'm sorry PDUK if my beliefs offend you or anyone else, I stand by them, not because of the harsher events that have happened in my life, but because i believe in them. My intention is never to divide people, but hopefully make people look at the situation from another angle. How can I be stoking the masses on a website, people either agree or disagree and from a reflection of this post most disagree with me. Im not bothered, Im content with my political beliefs.

Originally posted by Ohboyohboy
Well with regard to that number of people phoning in sick every day, is it any wonder? Look at the wages they get paid.

Off topic a bit but isnt it about time that there were some sort of radical shake up in the way peoples wages are distributed? Someone mentioned footballers wages, celebrities etc etc. Isnt it about time people were paid to reflect their contribution to society. I dont know about you but I would rather see nurses take home more money than someone that kicks a ball around or slaps a pile of makeup on to look pretty for magazines....

I am vastly under educated in the ins and outs of exactly why we are in so much of a deficit to continue putting my two cents in, but I can see fault with the way our society is working as a whole

Obob

Firstly never 'undersell' youself, you come across as educated to me !!!!

On the topic of salaries - You are BANG ON with what you said............celebrity, sports stars, etc etc etc are OVERLY rewarded for their contributions to the overall society !! I commend you on that and I have long said that there should be a wage cap along the lines of max salary (inc bonuses) should be no greater than 20/25 Times the lowest full time salary of that same organisation......
Trouble is that becasue of the rampant consumerism in our country, those whom lend a 'famous'? name to a campaign get more than they are worth..... until we review our priorities in society and look for what is truly important and valuable then we will saty as we are, which is a great shame !!!!

Also, on a final note.... don't believe that wages are so low in the NHS ....... believe me, working there as I do I can tell you it is NOT the case most of the time........

Regards

PDUK

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
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WWjnr

I wish you would PARK you political beliefs because it is that old fashioned belief system which prevents forward movement..... and ultimately change....

I know from previous posts you have made that you have your own personal experiences and for those I can see where some of the bitterness comes from BUT '' stoking the masses'' as your comments try and (in my opinion) only go to further a political divide that needs to be bridged before anything will change !!!

Regards

PDUK

We are all entitled to our political beliefs, this is a free country. I'm sorry PDUK if my beliefs offend you or anyone else, I stand by them, not because of the harsher events that have happened in my life, but because i believe in them. My intention is never to divide people, but hopefully make people look at the situation from another angle. How can I be stoking the masses on a website, people either agree or disagree and from a reflection of this post most disagree with me. Im not bothered, Im content with my political beliefs.

If we always do what we have always done then we will always get what we have always got .......

March the 26th, March for the Alternative. London will see thousands of protestors coming down to London to day in what is expected to be the biggest protest since the Anti Iraq war march in 2003.

And we saw how effective those marches were in influencing policy, eh?

To be a socialist today is to be a heroine addict just starting to come down off his fix...surely just one more 'hit' of funny money will solve all our problems! (or at least delay them to a time that *isnt* right now!)

Sane people should be marching *for* cuts in goverment and a reduction of state power, as it is the state that is to blame for 99% of our current maladies and crisis'. But instead people just want one more hit of credit, one last fleeting taste of sweet sweet subsidies.

Reality check: every gov in the world is catasrophically in debt. What must end will end. Stop looking to your gov for salvation - it is their meddling that created the situation you face today, and it is them you look to, like a lost puppy, for salvation.

edit: Never mind, I'm an American, how dare I even comment.

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If we always do what we have always done then we will always get what we have always got .......

And that is why my friend i like to challenge the status quo rather than blindly support it. i like to criticize it and highlight the flaws that I see,

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WWjnr

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PDUK

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Originally posted by PurpleDog UK

No its looosers like you that our country is on a one way path to ruin..the people are speaking..keep your negative thoughs to yourself..we want change !!

Snapperski -

Remember you have two ears and one mouth - try and use them in that order and also while you are at it try ''opening your eyes'' to the bigger picture......... Looosers ??? I can only see one here and it isn't the one you were suggesting !!!

Regards

PDUK

clearly you have a problem with people airing there views in our society,i don't support labour or the conseratives,to me they are the same party,different faces funded by the same corporations in the background,now if your going to be judgemental,you come across as a single minded individual,and if people don't agree with your thinking,they must be wrong.

so what is the bigger picture..we bail out banks for there mistakes,forced on us by the corrupt government at every level,were all suffering for it,its only getting worse,with no light at the end of the tunnel...were all told daily get ready for a bumpy ride..but yet we can afford over a £100 million a night in bombing raids in libya,and what ever it costs for the other wars were forced to fight.

i'm sick to death of it.
to me this protest is about letting the goverment know they can't ignore us..and inspire more people to get off there ass's and make a stand for positive change,its not just about the public sector,its the whole system.

people power it's what democracy is all about no

what have you done actively about getting change..as clearly your also sick to death of the way things are..and i agree labour really messed this country up,almost beyond repair,but to agree people are losers for making a public stand in what they believe,says a lot about your train of though.

now even if you wholeheartedly disagree with what the these people are protesting about,you have to admire there passion to seek change and be heard..in a peacefull manner i hope,but sadly your are right about it will be hijacked by politically motivated activists...and sadly the press will only cover that side come tomorrow mornings front page

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Snapperski

Fair-point.... I was just giving back what you gave with the 'looser' comment......;-)

Having just listened to Brendan Barber blurt out a lot of sound bites and crowd pleasers it actually does nothing more than sort of advance his profile....... I just heard Ed Milliwilliband compare the cuts to the struggle of 'apartied'... oh please for gods sake , I wish this lot would just **** off....


I, like you am frustrated and dis-illusioned with what is happening in our society but protests like todays will prove to be more damaging to ANY cause they proclaim to be about.....


The current fracas outside Topshop is more about the frustration of companies who should be paying more tax....... The REAL way and perhaps what should be done is a COLLECTIVE action against companies to demonstrate grievencies.......... Trouble is that the population as a whole just carrys on shopping and feeding the monster that is consumerism.............. we need to act in different ways and protesting is not it...

Regards

PDUK

Did NuLabour put my country into these dire straights or was it their puppet makers.

People here are angry, while front line services are being cut the bankers are still having pay rises and huge bonus.

I wish I could have been there today alas health and distance made it impossible.

Funny old world we live in, the protesters in the Middle East are applauded, yet here in the West they are questioned,...why...is it because we already have a so called Democracy?

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it capitalism trying to disguise itself as democracy..democracy is flawed,and open to ultimate corruption.

incidence of corruption is a result of the strength of incentives,the range and scale of opportunities,the availability of means and the risks of punishment which there seems to be none.

corruption thrives on bad governance where controls are weak and decision-making is opaque,arbitrary and lacking in accountability mechanisms.

IE: the british government for the last 15 years..maybe longer.

I am watching this on TV and I have to say these people out there throwing molotov cocktails are absolute morons and should be arrested. I do not disagree with protests demanding changes but these people being violent and destroying private property should be arrested.

Sorry to all the Anarchists but there should always be law and order at all times.