Will the real ET please stand up.

reply to post by Allred5923
[more"]So, share with me your knowledge of the UFO phenomenon, and lets see how deep you have climb into the rabbit whole you so quickly write off as nothing more than mass hallucinations or dribble?"

I wrote my story. That's all. If you read it I you will understand why I won't entertain an attack or anyone that attempts to slant what I said with words that I did not use. Or draws conclusions out of thin air. Or assumes I meant something when I said something else, call me a troll, and generally produce nothing constructive. You brought up stuff in such a stretch it's almost not worth comment. You are much to preoccupied with an agenda about me. Don't waste your time, I'm not worth it. It's not about me. Focus on the plan for contact. That's what this thread about. The rest is just the history behind the event's inception. Nothing more. Why do folks have the toughest time with the simple things?

reply to post by drakus

Geez... The responses to the OP are frankly depressing so far...
I mean, if you're not interested or think its bollocks, then by all means, go on with your life...

The OP openly states that "Until ET's make their existence absolutely known" this would be the OP's acceptance of such matters being factual.
If there ever was a trolling perspective to use as an example, this thread would be it.
We are very well aware that the chances of an extraterrestrial coming to the forums during this OP's admitted posting time of too July 2011 is not only nonsense but remarkably redundant for argument.
And if you had read my thread post as being facetious or rude darkus, you misinterpreted what was being brought across for discussion. Try reading it with calm and collective insight, it was how it was meant to be read and come across as food for thought, not argument.
He has openly admitted his undying doubt of this matter, yet he has the audacity to put time lines for evidential and tangible proof, which is a far fetched sham.
If the OP wishes I share an experience of mine that I had personally have had, whats the use, it is only my experience and would be taken with nothing short of as a snicker from his having read the sighting or encounter.
So darkus, it is not hindering anything by being forward with what he has said thus far, correct?

reply to post by Allred5923
I don't snicker. Never have...never will. And baiting me into an argument is so not working. You need to grow up. This isn't the school yard.

reply to post by hiflier

Focus on the plan for contact. That's what this thread about. The rest is just the history behind the event's inception. Nothing more. Why do folks have the toughest time with the simple things?

WAIT,WAIT, WAIT..... You mean to tell me you are now inviting extraterrestrials to openly speak to you on a website forum and actually have you accept this to be a fact based scenario?
I guess I am having a "Hard time" understanding your intentions with such oxymoronic statements... I am not attacking you, but you are being rather absurd with your intentions, how do you expect to have anyone under stand what you want, other than have an alien life form communicate with you so that you may better 'Accept' alien and UFO phenomenon being a practical and an event that has taken place hundreds if not thousands of times with people from all walks of life and since the dawn of mankind?

reply to post by Allred5923
What's the matter with you?

Originally posted by hiflier
reply to post by Allred5923

 

I don't snicker. Never have...never will. And baiting me into an argument is so not working.

I used this reaction description because it is usually what a skeptic offers for argument or disbelief to such scenarios of sighting's and ET situations of description, it had nothing to do with pointing fingers at you, it is usually the main stand of such matter's with individuals of lesser belief constitutions.

Originally posted by hiflier
reply to post by Allred5923

 

What's the matter with you?

Absolutely nothing, nothing at all, "Please explain with better and shorter breath on what it is that you want to do with a UFO believer that is only 'TRYING' to understand this skeptics point of view?"

reply to post by Allred5923
OK, I understand. I've seen posters come in as non-believers with sometimes a very nasty chip on their shoulder. It isn't pretty. I am not one. The "event" was crafted by a believer as I said in the OP. I agreed to disseminate it because I didn't have an ET theory or doctrine th muddy the waters. Didn't matter though. Forum members tried to shoot the messenger anyway. It was like the "Notice" never even existed. Sad really. In the end though the notice remained on the Forum after they threw everything they had at me. The thread got locked on one of them but my purpose there held. The notice was not banned.

reply to post by Allred5923
Hello Allred5923,

The truth is I don't want you to "do" anything. I'm only trying to inform you and this Forum that on July 20th 2011 the world, believers and non, are INVITED to join together and "ASK" ET to show. And that's it. That's all- no more, no less. Time of "asking"? 5:20am GMT. Add or subtract the necessary hours for time zones around the world including Daylight Savings for some and there you have it. Easy..The entire event will last for approximately
a minute (60 seconds). One measley little minute. And the whole thing is over. The world can go home or whatever it is they are doing. The hardest part of the whole idea is resisting the tendency humans have for making things complicated. This is truly as simple as it sounds. If folks won't joinin because it's just too darned simple then they can "ask" for longer. Hours if they want to. Or only for 2 seconds if they want to provide a test. No worries. There is no time restriction, no boss, no ET police. Everyone is on their own to do or not do. The only thing important is the start time if one makes a personal decision to accept the invitation.

Wow, no wonder people think this place has its fair share of shills sometimes.

Originally posted by drakus
Geez... The responses to the OP are frankly depressing so far...
I mean, if you're not interested or think its bollocks, then by all means, go on with your life...

Agreed, totally.

The the OP : I think your idea is a decent one and worth a try, and also you seem like a sound person who just wants to see what happens here, then if it fails, fair enough, at least you had a go. I can totally get the frustration at the way most of the UFO community works too, it baffles me the more I learn about it. Will hopefully join you when the time comes. Can't believe some of the responses you're getting here though, it's like some are scared it might actually be a decent idea, or that you're asking for their credit card details or something.

reply to post by hiflier


Could UFOs Really Be

Alien Spaceships?

UFOs: The Deadly Deception

The "Strong Delusion"

The Bible mentions one relevant thing that God will do to mankind in response to our general refusal to believe the Gospel: He will "send the strong delusion, that they should believe the lie" (II Thessalonians 2:11). In other words, as part of His judgement on mankind in the Time of the End, God allows big - time deception. UFOs appear to be part of that "strong delusion". The UFO Phenomenon is definitely a powerful thing, as any real student of the subject knows. It has had an enormous impact on the lives of many people, including, but by no means limited to people who have actually seen them. By recent surveys in the United States, better than 10% of all Americans claim to have seen a UFO at least once; and better than 50% believe in the reality of UFOs to some extent. At least several tens of thousands believe that they have been the victims of UFO abductions, and some believe they have been abducted repeatedly. Something like this is important and dangerous.

We Are Alone!

There is Biblical reason to believe that as far as flesh and blood intelligent life is concerned, we are alone in the universe. The Book of Genesis, chapters 1 & 2, emphasize the idea that the human race is a special creation of God. We are created in His image, and that is why we are as intelligent and creative as we are, and can communicate the way we do. If there is any other such life in the universe, there is not even a hint of it in the Scriptures. Of course, the Bible does affirm the existence of angelic life, and even suggests that there are different forms of it. But as far as material, intelligent life, we must conclude from the Bible that we are in fact alone.

Originally posted by Faith2011
we must conclude from the Bible that we are in fact alone.

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it." - The Buddha

Not trying to get involved in a 'religious' argument, but seriously : deny ignorance.

reply to post by Faith2011
The strong delusion would be eluding to your angel of light. But I respectfully submit that the concept is outside the scope of this particular thread.

reply to post by Hitoshura
Hello Hitoshura,

The fact that I want nothing from anyone here is the truth if there ever was one. The plan for inviting people to join an event by themselves of their own free will is, or can be, fearful to some who are more comfortable with structure. Where this endeavor has almost no structural elements there is just enough WRT the date and time factors that participants would not be in complete freefall. I prefer a certain amount of structure in my life too as do most because we all feel safer with familiar patterns which I believe to be an archetypal mechanism for individual as well as group survival. Easier to see something or someone out of place. BTW Thanks for the good logic.

reply to post by Faith2011
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We ARE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE! Humans are so egotistical to think we are so special.....Is that like your God too?? Im sorry but the bible is a farse....Yes I have read it from cover to cover, was once a strict christian, now recovered....and any god who claims slavery is acceptable is NOT A GOD! The bible was written by wealthy Lords who wanted to keep the populace in check......Yes there are some amazing things added to it I will admit, but there are much more records, like from the Sumerians who first wrote about the great flood. They spoke about another alien race coming to earth.

So ANYWAY TELEPATHY WORKS!!! I have experience with this!! There are other lifeforms in the multiverse. We are not alone!

Originally posted by Mathoryn
so what exactly are you saying?

Yes, long essay but I don't know what he wants us to do. Are we supposed to give him the evidence of ETs and UFOs or just telepathically tell the ETs to show their UFOs?

I think he's saying a simple statement in the form of a whole book.
Simple is good.Trying to show your excellent writing might get in the way of your point.

I think this is a good idea. The OP is a smart person. After all what do you all have to lose? Maybe it's the foundation you have built your life on that you have to lose. So many people have faith in the UFO/alien phenomenon. And like any type of faith, disproving the object of that faith could be devastating. Imagine if it were possible to conclusively prove to a Christian the absence of God. What would they do? So maybe you attack the OP and don't even want to try because you are afraid. Afraid that your faith and belief will be dis-proven.

Don't get me wrong. I believe, no, rather I never believe anything "Nothing is true". But I do have a hypothesis. We have SOOOO much observation, personal, video, stories, accounts, mass sightings, government documentation, accounts from reliable sources, historical art, sightings and stories that all suggest we are and have been visited by an extraterrestrial intelligence. But at this point, that is ALL that is: observation. And following the scientific method what is the next step? Experiment to prove or disprove ones hypothesis and turn it into a working theory (not the layman term thrown around but the real scientific meaning.)

I hypothesize that aliens exist based on mathematical probability. I hypothesize that they are intelligent and have visited us based on overwhelming observational data. Were this ANY other hypothesis, we would already be experimenting. So let's DO IT already. So we can assume, based on personal accounts that they are telepathic. So let this be the basis of our experiment. An experiment that all scientists of UFO/alien research can participate in. The peer reviewing will happen when we all see our visitors, or do not see them. I suggest doing it multiple times as a control as well.

Do you really think that beings from another starworld will show themselves to you when you go on bickering, argueing,misunderstanding and displaying ugly hostilities at each other.Mankind has the uncultured mind of frequently missing the point and misunderstanding and jumping to the wrong conclusion of things.They do not only misread what is written,but they misunderstand the meaning of what is written and they have a senseless arguement. When you show a defective tendency to always misunderstand and create the wrong idea and conclusion of what is being stated to you clearly, No ET's will ever contact you for fear of being misunderstood in their intention of showing themselves in your world. They know that the very first questions will be "Why are you here and what is your purpose in coming to planet earth."
Just think and put yourself in their place ! Do you think that is is advisable and safe to show yourself to a race that has this kind of mentality.

TheWatcher

Originally posted by Allred5923
reply to post by drakus

 

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I was just pissed off by the fact that no one was even answering to the real point of the OP, no matter what he believes to be truth, which was an (albeit far-fetched) attempt to excercise a rudimentary verifiable experiment. Something that we really need in this field.
And that proposition could have easily had come from a so called "believer".

The time-lines and limits he imposes to himself are hardly relevant to that point, I believe. And that (the focusing-on-the-irrelevant) was just ticking my crotch in the wrong way. And some of the answers were borderly insulting.
I give you that yours was a well-thought one and was written with respect. But, nonetheless you are still focusing on his internal mess about this subject, a state of mind that is pretty understandable if you have never had any direct experience of this stuff (as in, seeing a freaking black blurp zipping up and down the sky ) and yet witness hundreds of people commenting on that. I know that if you HAVE seen "something" you'll have a different attitude. I had and I have. But, still, think about it, he "doesn't feel like" the UFO phenomena is real but he proposes a way to try and see what the heck is going on, and that attitude I prefer every time over the quick-dismissing type.

Off course, saying "If this doesn't work I'll assume everything is not true" is borderline moronic. But that is not our problem.

Sorry if I lashed out too indiscriminately

Drakus