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Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Thanks I will keep that info for future reference.
Actually I just went around the road blocks and used the library and librarian. Remember 20 years or so ago the internet was not as "available" but the library always is.
They did not believe me the first couple of times until my mother and brother came up behind me.
Doing the same exact thing.
For a dirt poor family the library is a free means of entertainment in a household of readers.
Originally posted by alejogn
homosexuality againts god? nahhh... that's more than natural and normal in the animal kingdom, did you know that there are elephants gays, lions, dolphines, dogs, etc... it is part of our existing.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Nice bit of writing SKL
Spycraft and politics seem to be almost different names for the same thing - both have similar goals in obtaining information (especially "sensitive" info.) and turning opinions or people.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Spycatcher
Spycatcher: The Candid Autobiography of a Senior Intelligence Officer (also Spycatcher), is a book written by Peter Wright, former MI5 officer and Assistant Director, and co-author Paul Greengrass.
It was published first in Australia.
Its allegations proved scandalous on publication, but more so because the British Government attempted to ban it, ensuring its profit and notoriety.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Blackmail is certainly as common in spycraft as it is in politics - I just wonder how many of our politicians "tow the line" due to others having "sensitive" information on them. Should they step out of line they will get the "Foley treatment" , who, I'm sure is NOT the only politician with a fondness for young boys,
Funny how that seems popular among sexually repressed priests as well (actually NOT funny!)
The irony I see is that we end up becoming that which we fear and loathe,
We fear terrorism so much we terrorize others.
We fear losing our freedom so much we give it away "to defend it"
Humans are a complicated lot.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Without the aid of the early cognitive and social scientists I doubt we would be in quite the predicament we are today. The study of human behaviors has turned advertising and politics into scientific exploitation, just as we have learned to control rats in a maze by understanding their motivations.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
For all the deserved criticisms that religion has, I think there is one more that is little recognized and that is that we must all supplicate ourselves to a higher authority. Since God isn't around to tell us what to do we are left with the authority of the church and state as the "higher power".
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
I never could buy into that as a child or as an adult. Sorry Church, sorry State, you are NOT a higher authority than I - nobody gave you power over me. You did not create me. You did not give me life. You are no more divine, no more intelligent, no more deserving of power than I. I must answer for my own life and I will not be swayed from whatever I deem to be my own life and destiny. Conversely I don't feign to tell others how to live and what they may or may not do. Their lives are their own to mess up any way they so desire.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Responsibility for self is the thing most of us would seemingly like to avoid. So we excuse our behaviors by granting authority to church or state. Then when we find out they did something very wrong we can just say "well, I wasn;t there, I didn't do it, etc" even though we had supported that very act by virtue of our supplication to the church or state.
The hive mind has always eluded me and for that I am grateful.
You get the best view from the top of the mountain, not from either side.
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
PS Allen Dulles did NOT force the Nazi surrender of Northern Italy, that was the work of the Allied armies.
Also, our OSS was penetrated very badly by Soviet spies of German origins and completely compromised our intelligence operations in Europe for decades after WW2. Many of our best operatives were killed due to the stupidity of our OSS/CIA agents. Dulles was a failure in many ways but in typical American style he wrote a book to whitewash all his mistakes and make himself appear a hero.
And Dubya was a fighter pilot too!
SKL's Amazon Review :
This book was recommended by someone I respect very much.
It was definately an interesting look into the planting, hunting, and detention of the German spies before, during, and after World War II.
The Double-Cross system was also informative as well, and the games that spies on all sides played in order to make certain their side won were informative and interesting.
Some of the things that were done were quite simple and some were extremely difficult and diverse. It was definately worth purchasing and I only wish I had heard of the book sooner than last year.
Originally posted by angelchanneller
OP, despite the fact that you are wholly lacking in modern day Harvard and Duke level studies on homosexuality, I get that you a trying to send the message that there are elite units based on sexuality brought together to achieve spy crafted missions. Also, there are, one or two women, interchangeable, like Tokyo Rose, that also serve as the same person in spy craft. Same was said of Matahari, but there was only one of her as far as I know.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Honeypot
Honeypot or honeytrap may refer to:
A pot used to store honey
Espionage recruitment involving sexual seduction in
reality
fiction
A type of sting operation such as a
Bait car
Honeypot (computing), a trap to help fight unauthorized computer access
Bolded and underlined by SKL
Quote from : Wikipedia : Motive for Spying
There are many suggested motives for spying that an individual may have.
In general, espionage carries heavy penalties, with spies often being regarded as traitors, and so motivating factors must usually be quite large.
There have been various attempts to explain why people become spies.
One common theory is summed up by the acronym "MICE", which stands for "Money, Ideology, Compromise or Coercion (depending on source), and Ego" or Extortion (depending on source).
Other explanations have stressed the role of disaffection and grudges, or of personal links.
Originally posted by angelchanneller
I meant to give this post more time, but perhaps I can later. I wanted to validate you on this level, but must tell you that without the leader that is trusted, such as the founder of our illustrious FBI (loved his ballgown collection, it has only been surpassed by Momo Qaddafi) you will most likely not have a culture or elite spying unit to function in the sexual capacity to which you are referring. I am not talking about providing girls, that's another thing. I am talking about linguistic training, planning survival inside without communication, etc. that has a bond in secrecy because that sexuality is forbidden. The sexual bond must have something forbidden in it and tie directly to the leader they are serving, i.e. Hitler's elite gay guard (whom he ultimately destroyed for the same reason). Hitler only had one testicle and although with today's medical science that means precisely bubkus, it was a driving force in his leadership and marrying Eva on his suicidal death bed. Analyzing and profiling sexuality is essential in intelligence work.
Originally posted by angelchanneller
So sorry, I do not mean to give short shrift, I will provide references if needed and will check back on this thread. Love this subject.
Again, the thread is not just about homosexuality, or lesbianism, it is about espionage...
It is about those willing to use the knowledge of someone being homosexual or lesbian in order to blackmail them into betraying their country, and or as well those people living in fear, due to that, and as well living in fear of people hating them for practicing in it, and or judging them due to that difference of perspective throughout Christianity and a lifestyle choice.
THE HOLY BIBLE - New International Version (©1984)
John 8:7 "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.""
Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."
bible.cc...
Secretary Napolitano Announces "If You See Something, Say Something™" Campaign Partnership with AEG
Release Date: March 28, 2011
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010
Los Angeles—Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano today joined AEG President and CEO Timothy J. Leiweke at the company's STAPLES Center to announce the expansion of the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) "If You See Something, Say Something™" public awareness campaign to stadiums, arenas, theatres, clubs, convention centers and other venues owned by or affiliated with AEG Facilities—a division of Los Angeles-based AEG—in an effort to help ensure safety and security of the American public.
"Every citizen plays a role in identifying and reporting suspicious activities and threats," said Secretary Napolitano.
"Expanding the 'If You See Something, Say Something™' campaign to AEG's network of venues across the country is an important part of our efforts to engage the public and ensure the safety of players, fans and concertgoers."
....Every citizen plays a role in identifying and reporting suspicious activities and threats," said Secretary Napolitano....
....The Long Beach officers were dispatched to an apartment building after two people reported a man with a gun sitting on a backyard porch landing, McDonnell said. In an excerpt of a 911 call played for reporters, a male caller said the man appeared to have a "tiny six-shooter."
McDonnell said the officers took positions to observe Zerby, who appeared intoxicated, and believed he had a gun as described by the callers, but focused on setting up containment of the area rather than contacting him....
Angry relatives of a man shot to death by police who apparently mistook a pistol-grip water nozzle he held for a gun are lashing out at officers, saying they made no effort to contact him before opening fire.
However, police officials say Douglas Zerby's behavior prompted the officers' response.
"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."
Zerby pointed it at one of the officers and two officers fired their weapons, a handgun and a shotgun. A total of eight shots were fired — two from shot guns and six from a handgun, McDonnell said.
Zerby's sister, Eden Marie Biele, said officers made no attempt to talk to her 35-year-old brother or get his attention before shooting him to death.
"They didn't say 'Put your hands up' or 'Freeze' or anything," Biele told The Associated Press Monday. "He was killed in cold blood."...... Source
...On May 10, 2009, Christopher Harris was outside Seattle’s Cinerama Theater when an officer charged at him and slammed his head into a wall, leaving him in a coma. Police were looking for a convenience store stabbing suspect when two witnesses mistakenly identified Harris.....
On May 11, 2009, a deputy in Palmdale, Calif. shot a 15-year-old boy who was playing “cops and robbers” with a toy gun. The child had been reported to police as someone riding a bicycle and brandishing a weapon. When police responded, they ordered the boy to drop the weapon. When he failed to drop the toy, a deputy fired and shot him in the upper body......
Police were called when motorists saw 16-year-old Mace Hutchinson walking along a busy overpass in Ozark, Missouri. By the time police arrived, Hutchinson had fallen and broken his back and his heel. Police officers say that because the teen did not comply with their orders, they had no choice but to use their Taser weapons on him 19 times.....
Deputies in Orange County defend their decision to Taser a 15-year-old autistic child who had run away from his parents and run into traffic. The child’s mother says that she had called various police agencies to report her son missing........................
[other nasties]
An officer allegedly came through the back door, then blinded Copp by shining a flashlight directly in his face when he answered. Copp was unarmed and had no idea the man with the flashlight was a police officer. When he lifted his hand to shield his eyes, the officer shot him in the chest.....
The shooting was captured on cell phone video by several witnesses. The video shows Grant being pinned down by one BART officer, then being shot in the back by Mehserle. The incident and video recordings of it sparked outrage and violence in Oakland. The district attorney has said that the video footage reveals that the shooting was an unlawful killing done as an intentional act.....
In Galveston, Texas, a 12-year-old girl stepped outside her home to flip the breaker switch for her mother when a blue van stopped outside the home, three men jumped out, grabbed her and called her a prostitute. When the child screamed for her Dad to help her, the men covered her mouth and beat her in the face and throat. The three men were undercover police officers who happened to be at the wrong house when they grabbed this child. The girl was hospitalized and suffered bruising and ear drum injuries as a result of the incident. Three weeks later, police showed up at the child’s school and arrested her for assaulting a public servant for fighting back when they grabbed her.....
In Clay County, Florida, a 56-year-old mentally ill, wheelchair-bound woman died after police shot her 10 times with Taser guns. Police were called to the home of Emily Delafield because of a disturbance. During a disturbing 911 call before her death, Delafield told the dispatcher she believed she was in danger and that her sister was trying to harm her. Officers say when they arrived, Delafield was in her wheelchair, threatening police and family members with two knives and a hammer. One officer Tasered Delafield nine times for a total of 160 seconds and another officer Tasered the woman once for less than 5 seconds. Delafield’s death was ruled a homicide.....
The FBI opened an investigation into the conduct of police officers in Trotwood, Ohio after an officer used a Taser weapon on a pregnant woman. The woman showed up at the police department and informed the officer that she wished to give up custody of her 1-year-old son. The officer began questioning the woman and berating her for wanting to give up the child and she attempted to leave with the child. The officer took the child from her, handed him off to another officer and forced the woman to the floor on her stomach. He then deployed the Taser on her neck.................
Being 6'4" and 360 pounds has its advantages.
Not to mention I look like a Police Officer.
I've been accused of being one since I was 18 and it never stops and I am 37 currently.
...I guess in a sense this type of power you've illuminated, with the Pink Swastika, would be called McPower, through blackmail, something I wholly disagree with 100%, power is earned and or gotten, not given out through having skeletons in the closet.
Why would anyone want to pay that franchise fee?
To gain power through this level of corruption any and all sense of honor is lost and or vacant....
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
...I guess in a sense this type of power you've illuminated, with the Pink Swastika, would be called McPower, through blackmail, something I wholly disagree with 100%, power is earned and or gotten, not given out through having skeletons in the closet.
Why would anyone want to pay that franchise fee?
To gain power through this level of corruption any and all sense of honor is lost and or vacant....
This sounds EXACTLY like how gangs work.
You must commit a crime in the full view of the other members to gain entry. This means your "loyalty" to the gang is guaranteed through blackmail.
Isn't it nice to know our government work the same way a gang does?
Originally posted by Wetpaint72
reply to post by Annee
I found the statement odd too. I think I understand where he is coming from, and I have heard this phrase used many times. It's like...I don't believe in santa clause...or the Easter bunny...or the tooth fairy. Instead of saying I don't believe in homosexuality...it should be put, I don't participate in homosexual acts...Or better yet a simple I'm straight., will suffice.
Originally posted by crimvelvet
That means the government is SUPPOSED to stay out of it completely. I do not even think the government should have any say in the institution of MARRIAGE!