Perhaps Nibiru/Planet X IS travelling faster than the speed of light... (just a theory with some bac

As 2012 and the potential of this passing giant star/planet/space object, gets closer. I have been reading more and more into the evidence supporting and debunking the mysterious place.

One of the more common arguments is that "if Nibiru was real we would be able to see it right now/scientists and astronomers would see it. And the fact that we are having such a hard time seeing it is why it's probably not out there.
Now although for me this alone does not stick because if I have learned anything in the past few years, its that humans are not as smart as we think we are and just because we can't see it right in front of faces does not mean it isn't there.

Then I thought, well maybe there is another reason we can't see it (not just our incompetence). Maybe we can't see it because it's traveling faster then the speed of light. Crazy you say? Nothing can travel faster then the speed of light? Well why can't it? Just because it can't within our current laws of physics, does not conclude that it can't, maybe we just can't fathom it. And there are anomalies that would point to the fact that there may be some ways/objects we/that can travel faster then the speed of light. (ei. tachyon,wormhole)

On the other hand, what some physicists refer to as "apparent" or "effective" FTL[1][2][3][4] is the hypothesis that unusually distorted regions of spacetime might permit matter to reach distant locations faster than it would take light in the normal or undistorted spacetime. Although, according to current theories, matter is still required to travel subluminally with respect to the locally distorted spacetime region, apparent FTL is not excluded by general relativity. Examples of apparent FTL proposals are the Alcubierre drive and the traversable wormhole, although the physical plausibility of these solutions is uncertain.

The impossibility of faster-than-light relative speed only applies locally. Wormholes allow superluminal (faster-than-light) travel by ensuring that the speed of light is not exceeded locally at any time. While traveling through a wormhole, subluminal (slower-than-light) speeds are used. If two points are connected by a wormhole, the time taken to traverse it would be less than the time it would take a light beam to make the journey if it took a path through the space outside the wormhole. However, a light beam traveling through the wormhole would always beat the traveler. As an analogy, running around to the opposite side of a mountain at maximum speed may take longer than walking through a tunnel crossing it.

Okay so stay with me. Perhaps Nibiru, instead of having what we know as a normal elliptical orbit, actually is traveling in a type of elliptical wormhole. It would explain a few things. Such as, why we can't see it. Why its tied with the date of December 21st 2012, as its event horizon would be extremely short travelling at that speed. Perhaps we wont physically see it at all. Who knows would it would be like to be in the path of a something moving in a wormhole/speed of light relative to us. Maybe we won't notice it at all.

So what do you think? Is this possible? Or am I just missing something entirely. I'll admit I'm not an expert in either physics or astronomy, this is just a thought looking for some more facts.

Also, although useless bashing of my theory is welcome, don't expect me to respond to them.
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Crazy you say? Nothing can travel faster then the speed of light? Well why can't it? Just because it can't within our current laws of physics

Crazy

They aren't OUR laws of physics, they are THE laws of physics.

Why concoct an outlandish theory to try and back up another outlandish theory?

Face it, Planet X/Niburu is not there and it's not coming to us.

reply to post by Ghandi


While theoretically possible, that is a huge stretch and pure radical speculation. Would make a great Sci Fy movie though!!

FACTS:

NASA lies... and smudges photos
There's such a thing known as "national security"
Science is advancing at an accelerated rate at this time
NASA lies
There's a wide array of the light spectrum we as humans can't see or perceive
The bad guys in power say Nibiru doesn't exist, they also say mercury and fluoride are "good for you"
Did I mention that NASA lies?

The rest is speculation.

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


I'm not going to get into the whole it is or isn't coming thing but I will say that as humans we probably don't know on half of .5% of what there is to learn out there so as you say they are "THE laws of physics" science changes so often that it really is obvious how little we know. Then you have the exceptions to the rules all the time. Like the radio waves that we just recently found to be traveling 4x faster than the SOL. So to discredit this theory on the basis of your argument is moot. If your gonna prove him wrong I want facts and you have given none where I have proven your argument wrong already. Link to 4x faster than SOL Here

NO its not travelling at 100s of times the speed of light.
How can a solid object possibly break all the laws of physics?? It would have to be travelling at many times the speed of light to travel the 1300 light years or so in less than a year.

reply to post by RickyD


No not moot at all, yes we have lot to learn but one thing that we do know and have known for hundreds of years is the mechanics of planetry science, orbits and the like.

To concoct an outlandish theory that a planet is going to travel through a wormhole in order for a theory, which in itself is incredibly outlandish is just grasping at straws.

The reason we can't see it is because it IS NOT there

People may argue that it is not visible due it being outside of the visible light spectrum, but we would see the EFFECTS of planet X right now, if it is supposed to be here in 2012, the gravitational effects alone would have numerous asteroids etc pummeling our planet, nope that doesn't seem to be happening.

So to try and say MY argument is moot based on a few lines that wrote is nothing more than stupid.

I will simply say, prove that planet x exists, I bet you can't.

reply to post by Ghandi


i found this to be intresting...

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reply to post by cluckerspud


That's pretty funny.
It's also funny in that you have to be one of those "uneducated" to accuse some or all of those people of such things. Lack of experience breeds such aggressive, insecure retaliation. I can't picture Buddha or Gandhi ridiculing, insulting, attacking, or patronizing another's perspectives and opinions. They were beyond all that.
I am not, which is why I think that sign is pretty funny.

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


Haven't "the" laws changed over time?

Originally posted by Ghandi
reply to post by Resentedhalo08

 

Haven't "the" laws changed over time?

No, the laws of physics remain, only our understanding of those laws change through carefull observation and experiments

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


So what makes you think we interpret them perfectly now?

Originally posted by Ghandi
reply to post by Resentedhalo08

 

So what makes you think we interpret them perfectly now?

I never said anything about interpreting the laws of physics perfectly, only an idiot would say that.

But what I am saying is there's two things here, proven fact, which is planetry mechanics and a wildly speculating theory backed up with no actual facts.

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


If I'm not mistaken there have been many gravitational anomalies reported in the planets of our outer solar system as well as the earthquakes of late that coincide with the alignment of "comet elenin" our sun and earth. So there's your gravitational effects. Also in our mere span of time existing on this planet we haven't proven anything without doubt cause there always seems to be stuff popping up to conflict with what we know to be true...guess we don't know after all. Further more how many events and occurrences have been suppressed so that hard headed scientists wouldn't be proven wrong. I'm just saying that it's gonna be hard to prove either way with our tiny amount of knowledge compared to the grand scale of things. From what you offered up in your argument I don't feel swayed. I'll be the first to say that we probably just won't know till it happens and then we'll invent a new science or set of laws or what have you. That seems to be how it has worked so far. Science is only right till it's wrong and it happens a lot!

I can't wait to hear the theories as to why were were "spared" when 2012 comes and goes without incident.

* Nibiru was moving so fast that it just barely missed us and we didn't even see it!
* Nibiru was teleported away by benevolent aliens!
* Nibiru passed right through the earth without affecting us, we are so lucky!
* (religious icon here) stopped it
* I have superpowers and changed the past so that Nibiru never happened. I would demonstrate them for you but I used all my power in the past and have no more powers in this new timeline.
* Nibiru was repelled by the combination of Justin Beiber and Rebecca Black
* We got the math wrong! Nibiru is actually coming on (future date here) THE DOOM BEGINS ANEW!

Originally posted by RickyD
If I'm not mistaken there have been many gravitational anomalies reported in the planets of our outer solar system!

I'm not saying that there isn't a body out there deep in kuiper belt, there probably is, I have highlight the FACT that the gravitational effects are in the OUTER solar system, within the kuiper belt. This planet has been theorized for many years and has even picked up the name Vulcan.

However! There is NO evidence whatsoever to say that this planetry body intersects into our solar system any further than the orbit of say Neptune, people say that Niburu/Planet X is supposed to be here in 2012 and it was also said that it would be visible in early 2011 as a second sun, I do not see it!

Now it hasn't been seen, people who believe in Niburu are back peddling and creating such wild theories as this!

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


I will agree that there are some pretty wild theories getting put out there...but wasn't the earth being round wild at one point and we all know how that turned out. I'm just gonna say there is more to worry about anyway like living a happy life and enjoying all the great experiences that we all have. I look at the sky all the time I feel connected but when I look at earth I feel that way too. I say it's a waste of time trying to prove or disprove.

Anyways, I feel that my opinion has somewhat swayed this thread slightly off topic and into the realms of wether Niburu/Planet X exists, rather than what we should all be discussing, if Niburu/Planet X is travelling faster than the speed of light.

So I pose this question to the OP, can you set out your theory and the facts which support it?

reply to post by Resentedhalo08


you know, "the earth is round" was a wild theory. All I said was "maybe" and asked a question. Until you can show me that it is without a doubt 100% impossible, then don't bother. Just say its improbable and far fetch'd, that would be a reasonable response. But of course you will continue because it makes you feel good. So go ahead while I wait for someone that isn't out there to claim to know it all, but rather doesn't mind discussing the improbable.

And no where did I claim that nibiru or any planet is heading our way, i was simply trying to throw a twist of an explanation to another theory. What is so wrong with that? I thought that was what this forum was for. Why not find a forum which strictly adheres to "the" laws of physics and does not allow for outside thinking?