Remote Viewing -never worked ,never will on Ats (and everywhere else on the WEB)

reply to post by kauskau


I will agree with you about the only once part. I will find a link hold on

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I figured it was something in nature just read the thread


I then said it was a plant,flower or bird......i saw a plant, but i think i picked bird from her avatar at the time it was a bird....things like that can throw you off


It was a rose

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Going by your thread title alone:



Prove to me that you have dreams. I'll be waiting for your proof. Just because your dim-witted view of science does not allow for it, does not mean it's not real. Science can only prove .00000000000000001% of all there is in this universe.

Proof he dreams, you dream.

I myself can identify REM, it's my job. I'm a polysomnographic sleep technologist.


So no, your comparison holds no water.

Originally posted by kauskau
reply to post by letmeDANz

 

my question is: why is no one HERE capable of doing that? This is a big community. So as there are certainly people here with all kinds of talents...why it never worked on ATS?

What makes you think that someone who has a verifiable and reliable talent as powerful as remote viewing (or anything else, for that matter) is necessarilly going to come to ATS and post proof? That would simply be opening the doors to them being nagged and harrassed or worse.

Being a skeptic is one thing.. stating that something doesn't exist or doesn't work simply because a select group of people haven't demonstrated it is differant.

Well if these pros no how to do it, why don't they view something that is relevant to us ad a whole and not viewing goats on top of a hill in Africa?

It's like fine dinning and then ordering a coke.

Give us something real and right now!

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
Proof he dreams, you dream.

I myself can identify REM, it's my job. I'm a polysomnographic sleep technologist.

Rapid eye movement can be an indicator of dreaming, but not always. And it certainly can't prove the substance of someone's dream, just like I could never prove to you that I'm now imagining in great detail a large, purple tree. Yet there is the tree.

Originally posted by rogerstigers

Originally posted by kauskau
reply to post by letmeDANz

 

my question is: why is no one HERE capable of doing that? This is a big community. So as there are certainly people here with all kinds of talents...why it never worked on ATS?

What makes you think that someone who has a verifiable and reliable talent as powerful as remote viewing (or anything else, for that matter) is necessarilly going to come to ATS and post proof? That would simply be opening the doors to them being nagged and harrassed or worse.

Being a skeptic is one thing.. stating that something doesn't exist or doesn't work simply because a select group of people haven't demonstrated it is differant.

Sorry but your now making poor excuses for people who have never proved they could do any of this. This seems like denial to me.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
Proof he dreams, you dream.

I myself can identify REM, it's my job. I'm a polysomnographic sleep technologist.

Rapid eye movement can be an indicator of dreaming, but not always. And it certainly can't prove the substance of someone's dream, just like I could never prove to you that I'm now imagining in great detail a large, purple tree. Yet there is the tree.

This is all ambigious and unrelevant, if you can view something remotely then where is the evidence? Its very simple no excuses no pseudo science why it can't be done. Or are they just glorified guessers? lol

You mean men cant "stare at goats" and make them keel over??
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I think we all have latent psychic abilities and most of us have not learned to use them.
Others are gifted and some (perhaps the OP) probably not at all.........

Originally posted by kauskau
my question is: why is no one HERE capable of doing that? This is a big community. So as there are certainly people here with all kinds of talents...why it never worked on ATS?

Guided remote viewing is a very specialized discipline, and really can't be equated with some Internet guessing game. It doesn't work like that. Proper remote viewing involves specific protocols, like mild sensory deprivation, double-blind target selection, use of a controller/guide, and independent analysis of the results. I really doubt if anyone (or a group of folks) have done a proper remote viewing on anything presented here.

That might be the biggest reason it hasn't worked, or hasn't worked well. It hasn't been done properly.

That said, it's a subtle thing, and even if it was done properly, there's no guarantee it would work. It's a statistically significant, but very weak effect.

Originally posted by CrazyMonkey
This is all ambigious and unrelevant, if you can view something remotely then where is the evidence? Its very simple no excuses no pseudo science why it can't be done. Or are they just glorified guessers? lol

When the proper scientific study controls are put in place, there is a statistically significant, although very weak, effect. It's not about guessing, because in most cases the viewers don't even know what they're doing. They're just gathering fleeting impressions of the target, which they don't know anything about. Person, place, thing? Pretty hard to just guess and get even close to right.

Unfortunately, it's not like magnetism or something like that, where we know enough about it to be able to amplify it. We barely have words good enough to describe it, and they tend to sound like a lot of spiritualistic mumbo jumbo. And the field is also full of fakers and quacks, which doesn't help with the image problem.

I personally like the work that Rupert Sheldrake is doing. It's nice and simple, and any group of people can do it. The Army stuff is interesting, too, although they abandoned their project and let it go astray when they couldn't find a "practical" use for it. Can't blame them, really.

Anyway, my impression of the whole topic is that it's interesting, and there is apparently something there worth studying, but I personally don't have the (substantial) time or resources necessary to explore it much myself.

reply to post by kauskau


it is amazing that you call it remote viewing ,it is also known as;

the sight
seeing -native american teachings -which by the way i was taught by a shamaness how to use it .
seen -biblical speaking.
sight beyond sight -psychics.

the river goddess here on ats has a post on oobe -you might want to read through this section as one of the times that i used it is there for all of you to read . we all have this ability within us, it is latent as, we have all been told that these are the work of satan the devil and so on for so many centuries that most people are afraid to delve into this subject let alone try.
think on it for many years we have been trying to wake you the rest of the people up to these things and we are all called fakes ,satanists and the list is endless.think of it as the great awaking were you the rest of the world stand up and say no more lies ,turn your backs on the heretics [churches ] and come to us to begin to learn how to use all of these profound gifts that are within us all .the christ tried to teach us all and they saw fit to remove from the bible all of his actual teachings all that is left is a few words or hints of what we are all capable of becoming.

think on this our governments and all of their minions can no longer hide behind closed doors in secrecy all things become known to all ,men-people-
being able to see into the vaticans vast libraries that they have used to hide to truth from us all the while changing the book to suit their fallacies.
looking in on area 51 and seeing the truth .

the beauty of it is that they can`t stop us once we learn the truth.

our truths are not their lies and their lies are not our truths as a species.

why do you all think that there is so much knowledge coming out for you under the disguise of new age knowledge. ---oobe`s ,dreaming,seeing, qt or quantum touch healing .
so who is the driving force behind this knowledge --it cant be the man or his churches ,--- i wonder if the man we are all waiting for is here and if he is working behind the scenes - what a kick in their asses that would be .
it takes time to learn not just trying and practicing -it took me 6 years ,but to put it into words is awkward to describe.but when it happens for you it is bang on --right down to the smallest detail.
seeing is done in the mind`s eye as Dr. Tuesday lobsang rampa used to say [ Tibetan monk] it takes place within the mind -you will see everything that you are looking for even the #`s on the house ,inside it , what you are looking for ,or who you are looking for . you will here sounds even voices that will tell you to look over there ,no direct asa to which way to look you just do it ,especially if you missed something you are guided to it all .

reply to post by Blue Shift


i understand.

So maybe i have a wrong interpretation about what remote viewing is. Hmm i will think about that.

reply to post by picrat


i hope u are right. Its not that i don believe in wonders. I am just frustrated to believe in something without knowing it. And i often think: in a time like this with so much sources -> why is it so hard to get any good proof?

And than my frustration wins.

Originally posted by kauskau
i understand.

So maybe i have a wrong interpretation about what remote viewing is. Hmm i will think about that.

Yeah, a lot of people do. Including many "supporters" in this thread. Remote viewing is a structured discipline that employs standard error-reducing scientific techniques during testing. It's not just a bunch of people sitting around guessing how many jellybeans in a jar.

Here is scientific evidence of the existence of a form of remote viewing of subatomic particles known to yogis as one of the siddhis,or paranormal powers:
smphillips.8m.com...
smphillips.8m.com...
Called "anima", it was claimed by two well-known Theosophists - Annie Besant & C.W. Leadbeater, who focused their psychic vision on many chemicals between 1895 and 1908, magnifying mental images of what they assumed were the atoms of elements and publishing all their observations for each element. They published their discovery of isotopic variations in some elements five or six years BEFORE the chemist Frederick Soddy first conceived of isotopes in 1913, based upon his study of some radio-active elements. They described up and down quarks in atomic nuclei over 70 years BEFORE physicists Murray Gell-Mann and George Zweig formulated the theory of quarks. They described the string-like bonds between subatomic particles over 70 years BEFORE the QCD string model of strong interactions was formulated. They described the basic units of matter as closed curves that wound around six progressively smaller, orthogonal circles over 80 years BEFORE superstring theory was conceived in which one of the two types of superstrings is the closed curve and BEFORE the 6-d torus was considered by string theorists as a possible model for the 6-dimensional, higher space that the theory predicted and which they described with anima.

Study Dr Phillips' work analyzing their observations and you will never doubt the infinite possibilities of the human mind to gain information about the world on a scale many orders of magnitude smaller than that allowed by the unaided human eye.

These remote viewers can go far in the future and describe things, but yet none of them ever noticed that 3 giant buildings are missing from New York? Or radiation levels in Japan are higher than the norm.

If these people have this gift, why don't they say anything?

There have been government experiments with this kinda thing. They found that the average person was wrong most of the time. But what's funny is, most of the information found in in those experiments still remains under wraps

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
These remote viewers can go far in the future and describe things, but yet none of them ever noticed that 3 giant buildings are missing from New York? Or radiation levels in Japan are higher than the norm.

If these people have this gift, why don't they say anything?

They do say stuff, it's just that people like you and others posting here don't listen to them. RVrs predicted both of the events you mention. It's funny that the people who deny that RV is real, make no effort at all to find out what it actually is for themselves. I just started to learn RV, but once I get good at it, I sure a heck wouldn't prove it to the many stuck up people on this site. Plus, you wouldn't believe me anyways, and would just call it a lucky guess.

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
These remote viewers can go far in the future and describe things, but yet none of them ever noticed that 3 giant buildings are missing from New York? Or radiation levels in Japan are higher than the norm.

If these people have this gift, why don't they say anything?

They do say stuff, it's just that people like you and others posting here don't listen to them. RVrs predicted both of the events you mention. It's funny that the people who deny that RV is real, make no effort at all to find out what it actually is for themselves. I just started to learn RV, but once I get good at it, I sure a heck wouldn't prove it to the many stuck up people on this site. Plus, you wouldn't believe me anyways, and would just call it a lucky guess.

Show me please. the current events with a date.

The person was Ed Dames, and his group. Probably others as well.