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Donald Trump Demands Obama's Birth Certificate on ''The View''
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It's obvious that these gullible, narrow-minded, uninformed,pro-socialist, don't mind posting their undocumented, 'one-sided' ignorance on a
subject.
Birther and racist...That's weak and worn-out excuses!!!
Get a life!!
Birther and racist...That's weak and worn-out excuses!!!
Get a life!!
reply to post by Southern Guardian
Again, could we please keep it honest. No president has ever been asked to prove his citizenship and declined. No president has ever been asked to show a 'long form' and declined
When McCain's citizenship was question, being born in Panama, what extremes did he go to, how many lawyers did he hire, to cover his past? Or did he volunteer everything asked of him?
As far as I know Obama is the only president or even presidential hopeful who has not been open and transparent about his roots. That is the truth. Why the attempt to distort it?
Again, could we please keep it honest. No president has ever been asked to prove his citizenship and declined. No president has ever been asked to show a 'long form' and declined
When McCain's citizenship was question, being born in Panama, what extremes did he go to, how many lawyers did he hire, to cover his past? Or did he volunteer everything asked of him?
As far as I know Obama is the only president or even presidential hopeful who has not been open and transparent about his roots. That is the truth. Why the attempt to distort it?
LOL @ anyone who seriously believes Trump takes this campaign seriously, this is nothing but a marketing campaign so he can get his name out there.
It's how he makes money, by selling his name...not by being good at real estate. In fact, he's not a great real estate guru
reply to post by Puck 22
Not true, Eisenhower didn't even have a birth certificate, of any kind. One had to be "legally created" for him, due to it's absence (and that was in 1952, quite a long time after his assumed birth year of 1890). If they got away with it back then, I'm guessing Barry will probably skate.
JR
...Obama is the only president or even presidential hopeful who has not been open and transparent about his roots...
Not true, Eisenhower didn't even have a birth certificate, of any kind. One had to be "legally created" for him, due to it's absence (and that was in 1952, quite a long time after his assumed birth year of 1890). If they got away with it back then, I'm guessing Barry will probably skate.
JR
Obama's story bears certain similarities to the circumstances surrounding Chester Arthur.
Each have a foreign born father and US born mother. Arthur's father eventually became naturalized. Not so with Obama's alleged father.
SOUND FAMILIAR ANYONE??
Interesting reading material for sure.
naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com...[ed itby]edit on 31-3-2011 by jibeho because: (no reason given)
Chester Arthur perpetrated a fraud as to his eligibility to be Vice President by spreading various lies about his parents’ heritage. President Arthur’s father, William Arthur, became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.
He wasn’t a “natural born citizen” and he knew it.
We’ve also uncovered many lies told by Chester Arthur to the press which kept this fact from public view when he ran for Vice President in 1880. Garfield won the election, became President in 1881, and was assassinated by a fanatical Chester Arthur supporter that same year.
How ironic that the allegations started by Arthur Hinman in his pamphlet entitled, “How A British Subject Became President”, have turned out to be true…but not for the reason Hinman suggested.
Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland or Canada as a British subject. It was bunk. It’s been definitively established that Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. But Hinman turns out to be correct anyway since Chester Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old.
That means Chester Arthur was a British subject at the time of his birth.
Each have a foreign born father and US born mother. Arthur's father eventually became naturalized. Not so with Obama's alleged father.
SOUND FAMILIAR ANYONE??
Chester Arthur’s lies came during his Vice Presidential campaign in 1880. His fraudulent attempt to obfuscate family history provides context and evidence that in 1880 it was recognized that having been born as a British citizen would make one ineligible to be President or VP. His falsification of family history indicates he was aware of POTUS ineligibility.
We can't find Obama's papers either.
It was a necessary work since old Chester Arthur was a very wily protector of his strange history. He burned all of his papers. (See page 2365.)
Chester Arthur had something to hide.
He had all of his papers burned which was very odd for a President.
Arthur lied about his mother’s time in Canada. He lied about his father’s time in Canada. He lied about his father’s age plus where and when he got off the boat from Ireland. By obscuring his parents’ personal history he curtailed the possibility that anybody might discover he was born many years before his father had naturalized.
Interesting reading material for sure.
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reply to post by jibeho
Finally someone who gets it!
I've posted the Eisenhower issue several times, and no one wants to "go there". Yet we have Chester Arthur further back, and it's the same story of obfuscating, since they are well aware of the implications.
Obama is not so different. Could his true ineligibility still cause him some heartburn? Probably, but then again, others have gotten away with it in the past. Obama may be well aware of some of his predecessor's shenanigans, and I can see a person like him, in power, just laughing.
The "real" people who get into politics could give a darn about these relatively "minor" details. Like Bush, Jr. before him, speaking about the US Constitution as just a "goddamn piece of paper." Not so different an attitude, IMO.
JR
Finally someone who gets it!
I've posted the Eisenhower issue several times, and no one wants to "go there". Yet we have Chester Arthur further back, and it's the same story of obfuscating, since they are well aware of the implications.
Obama is not so different. Could his true ineligibility still cause him some heartburn? Probably, but then again, others have gotten away with it in the past. Obama may be well aware of some of his predecessor's shenanigans, and I can see a person like him, in power, just laughing.
The "real" people who get into politics could give a darn about these relatively "minor" details. Like Bush, Jr. before him, speaking about the US Constitution as just a "goddamn piece of paper." Not so different an attitude, IMO.
JR
reply to post by Havick007
What if I told you I know who may have delivered Barack Obama? If I had this information and I came forward with it, would you believe It?
What if I told you I know who may have delivered Barack Obama? If I had this information and I came forward with it, would you believe It?
reply to post by JR MacBeth
This is not relevant to the question. I asked about transparency and/or an attempt to conceal birth records. Did Eisenhower attempt to hide the fact he had no birth certificate. Did he hire lawyers to ward off those asking to see it?
You are answering a question I did not ask. Now try answering the one I did. Did Eisenhower try to hide the facts surrounding his birth certificate?
This is not relevant to the question. I asked about transparency and/or an attempt to conceal birth records. Did Eisenhower attempt to hide the fact he had no birth certificate. Did he hire lawyers to ward off those asking to see it?
You are answering a question I did not ask. Now try answering the one I did. Did Eisenhower try to hide the facts surrounding his birth certificate?
reply to post by JR MacBeth
Heh. Yeah, so is our fiat money just a "goddamn piece of paper."...
but the guys with the most get the power.
I think it's possible that Trump IS being backed - auditioned? - by the Bilderbergers et al as a potential new puppet. Surely he knows the inside story...no?
And (I hope this post isn't repeating anyone else, I was impatient and didn't read all the posts) -
just a thought:
What if, in the future, a Citizen of the USA, born here, but whose parents came here surreptitiously (aka "illegial aliens" or "undocumented residents") so their newborn WOULD be a citizen simply by virtue of location of birth (so-called "anchor babies" - intended to be the family's sponsor when they come of age to be able) tried to run for president? They could produce a birth certificate - would people accept that? I'm not advocating they should or should not - it was just a scenario that came to mind...a thought.
I have worked for years with the Spanish-speaking residents among us - as a helper. If in 30 years one of these citizens, who were babies five years ago, runs for president, now THAT would be novel, eh??
Considering the self-identified "Hispanic" population was recently described as having become larger than other "minorities" , well, it's not impossible to imagine!
Heh. Yeah, so is our fiat money just a "goddamn piece of paper."...
but the guys with the most get the power.
I think it's possible that Trump IS being backed - auditioned? - by the Bilderbergers et al as a potential new puppet. Surely he knows the inside story...no?
And (I hope this post isn't repeating anyone else, I was impatient and didn't read all the posts) -
just a thought:
What if, in the future, a Citizen of the USA, born here, but whose parents came here surreptitiously (aka "illegial aliens" or "undocumented residents") so their newborn WOULD be a citizen simply by virtue of location of birth (so-called "anchor babies" - intended to be the family's sponsor when they come of age to be able) tried to run for president? They could produce a birth certificate - would people accept that? I'm not advocating they should or should not - it was just a scenario that came to mind...a thought.
I have worked for years with the Spanish-speaking residents among us - as a helper. If in 30 years one of these citizens, who were babies five years ago, runs for president, now THAT would be novel, eh??
Considering the self-identified "Hispanic" population was recently described as having become larger than other "minorities" , well, it's not impossible to imagine!
reply to post by Puck 22
Maybe his bosses (the Bilderbergers) told him if he did show it, it would be the last thing he ever did?? I notice there are discrepancies floating about on this site regarding The "actual" PTB (the money) and our elected officials (puppets).
I personally believe there is a shadow government of global dictators running the whole show - and still I find myself wanting to hold Obama and every one else accountable for their own behavior. But once a person has been groomed, presented, dressed up and put on stage for the masses, aren't they really just actors reading from a script?
What if Obama woke up this morning and said "Ok, that's it. I'm done. I'm gonna spill the beans. This is assinine and I can't sleep anymore knowing how these people are being manipulated." What would happen to him?
Maybe his bosses (the Bilderbergers) told him if he did show it, it would be the last thing he ever did?? I notice there are discrepancies floating about on this site regarding The "actual" PTB (the money) and our elected officials (puppets).
I personally believe there is a shadow government of global dictators running the whole show - and still I find myself wanting to hold Obama and every one else accountable for their own behavior. But once a person has been groomed, presented, dressed up and put on stage for the masses, aren't they really just actors reading from a script?
What if Obama woke up this morning and said "Ok, that's it. I'm done. I'm gonna spill the beans. This is assinine and I can't sleep anymore knowing how these people are being manipulated." What would happen to him?
reply to post by Sanjur0
I do find it ironic tha after all the recent events the name of the US president is Barrack Hussein Obama....
Seriously??
Hussein and Obama....
Kind of a lil bit close to Osama and Hussein Is anyone else puzzled and confused by this??
So for the past 20+ years the US has been in dissagreement with Irap and it's previous dictator Hussein....
Then we have one of the most supposed worst terrorist leaders in history Osama Bin Laden....
So then for the latest election we had a guy by the name of Barrack Hussein Obamba.....
His colour or race isnt the issue, but what is with the name?? It's almost like it is slamming it in the face of the US people and population?? Can you really call it as a coincidence?
I think it is a slap in the face for many loyal and patriot and peacefull Americans.....
I have to beileive there has been threads on this topic in the past but to be honest it's not my problem... I'm in Australia hehe Thank God.
If that guy ever tries to invade or influence us... well hmmm... um no comment.
He has done nothing of any value whilst in office. No major or positive changes.... the guy is not with the program?? At leat Bush tried to show interest. This guy is just absent!
I do find it ironic tha after all the recent events the name of the US president is Barrack Hussein Obama....
Seriously??
Hussein and Obama....
Kind of a lil bit close to Osama and Hussein Is anyone else puzzled and confused by this??
So for the past 20+ years the US has been in dissagreement with Irap and it's previous dictator Hussein....
Then we have one of the most supposed worst terrorist leaders in history Osama Bin Laden....
So then for the latest election we had a guy by the name of Barrack Hussein Obamba.....
His colour or race isnt the issue, but what is with the name?? It's almost like it is slamming it in the face of the US people and population?? Can you really call it as a coincidence?
I think it is a slap in the face for many loyal and patriot and peacefull Americans.....
I have to beileive there has been threads on this topic in the past but to be honest it's not my problem... I'm in Australia hehe Thank God.
If that guy ever tries to invade or influence us... well hmmm... um no comment.
He has done nothing of any value whilst in office. No major or positive changes.... the guy is not with the program?? At leat Bush tried to show interest. This guy is just absent!
Originally posted by ChaosComplex
This is the most obvious case of deception from the friggin government.
If Obama was born in the US, then he would have no issue providing the birth certificate. Plain and simple. If he was not born here, he should not be our president, according to our own rules for the position.
I don't get why people are still questioning any aspect of the current government. There are so many things that don't line up whatsoever.
OPEN YOUR EYE'S ALREADY...
We can't do anything by sitting around and bitching, or even by protesting. The only way to fix this problem is to attack it head on.
Your last statement should have included a resounding "YES WE CAN!!" Whether or not Trump has his own agenda in going public with the "birther" issue is immaterial at this time. What IS significant is the fact he has the cajones to bring this critical issue to light. AmeriKa has been in a constitutional crises over this and yet the obots and Kool Aid slurpers keep sidestepping and trashing the real issue. A little-known online journalist, Sharon Rondeau, editor of the Post&Email, has been tackling this head-on for quite some time. She presents irrefutable facts with the guts and tenacity to keep taking on the corporate shills with the facts. Till now her voice has been a small but powerful one...and her message needs to be Trump-eted (pun intended) far and wide, loud and clear. Will YOU help our nation by reading Sharon's letter and forwarding it to your local media, political rep's, and e-mail contacts?? Our last chance for attack is NOW. We must keep the momentum going. WTH are we waiting for????!!!!
(Mar. 30, 2011) — The following letter will be sent to Mr. Roger Ailes, President of Fox News Channel and Chairman of Fox Television Stations Group:
March 30, 2011
Mr. Roger Ailes President
Fox News Channel
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, New York 10036
Dear Mr. Ailes:
Despite your leadership of the “profit engine” of News Corporation owned by Rupert Murdoch and a recipient of $23,000,000 in salary and bonuses last year, you have failed the American public by refusing to report the questions regarding the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to serve as President and Commander-in-Chief of the United States. (snip)
reply to post by Havick007
Aha! Those were my personal sentiments during the campaign and the reminder of which sent horrifying chills down my spine after the election results were announced. Not to mention the Illinois state lottery drew the numbers 666 (mark of the beast) just prior to the 2008 election. The nickname for the presidential limo is "The Beast." Just more "coincidence?" Hmmmmph, only in AmeriKa, eh? And a significant irony: Our past President Abe Lincoln freed the slaves, whereas Obummer is in retribution here to enslave.....could it be any clearer?
His colour or race isnt the issue, but what is with the name?? It's almost like it is slamming it in the face of the US people and population?? Can you really call it as a coincidence?
Aha! Those were my personal sentiments during the campaign and the reminder of which sent horrifying chills down my spine after the election results were announced. Not to mention the Illinois state lottery drew the numbers 666 (mark of the beast) just prior to the 2008 election. The nickname for the presidential limo is "The Beast." Just more "coincidence?" Hmmmmph, only in AmeriKa, eh? And a significant irony: Our past President Abe Lincoln freed the slaves, whereas Obummer is in retribution here to enslave.....could it be any clearer?
Originally posted by Puck 22
reply to post by JR MacBeth
This is not relevant to the question. I asked about transparency and/or an attempt to conceal birth records. Did Eisenhower attempt to hide the fact he had no birth certificate. Did he hire lawyers to ward off those asking to see it?
You are answering a question I did not ask. Now try answering the one I did. Did Eisenhower try to hide the facts surrounding his birth certificate?
ANSWER: YES, obviously Eisenhower (aka Eisenhauer) would have had to have attempted deception, and the record shows he did. It couldn't hurt to look into it, although very few ever do.
Also, you're not reading all the posts I guess, no one ever does on these longer threads.
So, you thought the post about Chester Arthur's deception was also "not relevant"??
Well, in the USSA, it just so happens we have a tradition of obfuscating when it comes to small details, as it may relate to those in power, such as sexual proclivities and pesky birth certificates.
If this is the case, and the evidence shows it, then why hammer Barry, who's just the latest "face" on a very long con?
Amerika needs to get honest with itself first. In some ways, the current Barry-fraud is perfectly apropos, and consistent with a lengthy US history of deception at the highest levels.
JR
reply to post by wildtimes
No doubt. Trump has now had lots of practice reading scripts, so he could be perfect for the job. The other important qualification, total obedience: You must be willing to lick boots, and terminate ("You're FIRED!") whomever you're ordered to, whenever, and however makes the most sense for the Big Plan.
The other part of your speculative question, whether it's time for a hispanic to run for president, I can easily see that! You would have to find one that could lick boots with the best of them...
Geraldo anyone?
JR
I think it's possible that Trump IS being backed - auditioned? - by the Bilderbergers et al as a potential new puppet. Surely he knows the inside story...no?
No doubt. Trump has now had lots of practice reading scripts, so he could be perfect for the job. The other important qualification, total obedience: You must be willing to lick boots, and terminate ("You're FIRED!") whomever you're ordered to, whenever, and however makes the most sense for the Big Plan.
The other part of your speculative question, whether it's time for a hispanic to run for president, I can easily see that! You would have to find one that could lick boots with the best of them...
Geraldo anyone?
JR
reply to post by JR MacBeth
He he! Well, actually "they" would have to find one who can lick boots....we keep being duped into thinking these candidates are selected by ourselves, and voted in by ourselves. Not so. Not from what I can tell.
Re time for a Hispanic to run: I was referring more to the fact that a citizen with Mexican (or other central/south american) parents is still a citizen, but wouldn't there be some uproar that he or she was born here illegally? In any case, tPTB will try anything on to see how it's received. And it seems to be a PC ploy anyway - to make everyone FEEL like the choice is open and ours. No matter who it is - they'll be the puppet. Why, for example, is H R Clinton the Sec of State? That position is often more out in public than the Prez.
I don't have any answers - just commenting...and maybe it IS time for a Hispanic to run. How 'bout J-Lo? Or Antonio Banderas? He made a great Zorro, just what we need! (But is he a citizen?...He IS married to Melanie Griffith and has an American daughter. He has a home in the US as well as Spain, and Spain is part of the UN and NATO...) HEY, there's an idea!! Let's have NATO or the UN decide who should run for president in any of the member countries!
But really...he knows how to use a sword and ride a horse, and I'd cheer him on!
He he! Well, actually "they" would have to find one who can lick boots....we keep being duped into thinking these candidates are selected by ourselves, and voted in by ourselves. Not so. Not from what I can tell.
Re time for a Hispanic to run: I was referring more to the fact that a citizen with Mexican (or other central/south american) parents is still a citizen, but wouldn't there be some uproar that he or she was born here illegally? In any case, tPTB will try anything on to see how it's received. And it seems to be a PC ploy anyway - to make everyone FEEL like the choice is open and ours. No matter who it is - they'll be the puppet. Why, for example, is H R Clinton the Sec of State? That position is often more out in public than the Prez.
I don't have any answers - just commenting...and maybe it IS time for a Hispanic to run. How 'bout J-Lo? Or Antonio Banderas? He made a great Zorro, just what we need! (But is he a citizen?...He IS married to Melanie Griffith and has an American daughter. He has a home in the US as well as Spain, and Spain is part of the UN and NATO...) HEY, there's an idea!! Let's have NATO or the UN decide who should run for president in any of the member countries!
But really...he knows how to use a sword and ride a horse, and I'd cheer him on!
reply to post by wildtimes
I believe your assessment is correct. Only the candidates approved by the shadow puppeteers get on the ticket and then we get to "elect" one of their puppets to promote their evil agendas. Two parties, ONE face. What a farce!
He he! Well, actually "they" would have to find one who can lick boots....we keep being duped into thinking these candidates are selected by ourselves, and voted in by ourselves. Not so. Not from what I can tell.
I believe your assessment is correct. Only the candidates approved by the shadow puppeteers get on the ticket and then we get to "elect" one of their puppets to promote their evil agendas. Two parties, ONE face. What a farce!
reply to post by MrXYZ
If Trump keeps it up about the BC and other statements he has recently made, and the GOP keep trying to rob the poor, Obama won't have to be elected, he will WALK into office! These people are so over the top that Barack Obama will be President for another four years.
And, by the way, I want to see the LONG FORM of birth for Tri-G Palin, Sarah, just to make sure he is your son.
If Trump keeps it up about the BC and other statements he has recently made, and the GOP keep trying to rob the poor, Obama won't have to be elected, he will WALK into office! These people are so over the top that Barack Obama will be President for another four years.
And, by the way, I want to see the LONG FORM of birth for Tri-G Palin, Sarah, just to make sure he is your son.