Comet Elenin Does NOT EXISTS!! Instead - Brown Dwarf: NIBIRU!

reply to post by heineken


My point on this thread is this:

Even if you take NASA and Leonid out of the picture.

Why would a comet be expected to be seen in the vicinity of Pluto when that's not where it is? Even if NASA is lieing and there is no comet etc. no one ever placed that comet's orbit there - why is the video's creator looking for it in the vicinity of Pluto?

Why is the object pointed out in the video a Brown Dwarf? The video states "This is definitely a brown dwarf" I still don't understand why it is definitely a brown dwarf.

Why would a Brown Dwarf in the inner solar system not be visible? The fact that brown dwarfs emit little light isn't a good enough reason because as we all know the planets and even the moon don't emit light but everything reflects the sun's light and is therefore visible.

If it is a new object that as claimed absorbs photons why would it not disturb the orbits of any other planet in the solar system? (and by the way why would anyone call it a brown dwarf? We know what a brown dwarf is and they don't absorb photons so they should at least call it something else)

How are earthquakes caused by comets?

This is an important question I think, if we are to consider that Japan's earthquake was caused by an object in the solar system, be it a comet a brown dwarf or an unknown mass that absorbs photons there must be physics behind it - I'm sure you agree - and it needs to be explained. Just claiming things doesn't get anyone nearer to the truth.

And also... why would a comet cause a pole shift? Comets have passed by Earth before and North stayed North. Claiming that this time the poles will shift needs to be explained.

reply to post by InTrueFiction


now i am really appreciating your posts and wish you add up more to your tally

how things are adding up...only recently i adopted to the fact that it might be true we might have a dwarf star lurking next to our solar system...with evidence that having a binary companion star is the norm in the universe...with the announcement of a planetary body larger than Jupiter found by WISE

i still dont think elenin is a dwarf star BUT!!! ..since we cant estimate the size of elenin because it is surrounded by a cloud..it can actually be also the cause of not reflecting the light and thus be invisible to us

if its a dwarf star..when aligning with our Sun it might cause EQ and Volcanic eruptions taking into consideration an ELECTRICAL UNIVERSE

what do you think?

reply to post by heineken


I find the theories behind Nemesis and a planet larger than Jupiter in the outer solar system very interesting as I mentioned before in this thread.

The alignment theory... We get aligned with other planets all the time and nothing bad has been reported to happen ever. That theory really needs more explaining I think. Jupiter for example align with the Earth and the sun a lot and nothing bad happens. If an object with at least the mass of Jupiter was to influence us - I may be mistaken - but I assume it would have to be closer to us than Jupiter is. I don't see any evidence that any object with a mass that great is at this point in time or was during the earthquake closer to Earth than Jupiter. Like I mentioned before - the chance of something so massive sneaking in on Earth without disrupting the other planets' orbits would be a mathematical miracle.

I understand that the Universe is vast and there are a lot of things we don't know but something that significant so close... it seems far fetched to me.

It isn't out of disrespect or as an effort at disinformation I assure you. I simply find that this theory that something so massive that it would cause earthquakes on Earth while at the same time not disrupting any orbits in the solar system and either too far away to be seen or is simply invisible... I think this theory has a lot of holes.

reply to post by heineken

those who cant agree with my post ..tat all the links provided use the same Story provided form NASA really needs to start taking some fish oil in the morning and a good breakfast to kickstart their brain.

There are those that are unable to read or comprehend the source of information. Was it NASA?

It's foolish to simply label the source as NASA. Where does it say NASA. Please show all of all that you are not making up this baloney that the source is NASA. What is the source? That is a simple question. Can you demonstrate to us that the source is NASA.

Does NASA control the following equipment?

Follow-up images by Aleksei Sergeyev and Artyom Novichonok at Maidanak Observatory in Uzbekistan revealed more about the new find: it had a teardrop-shaped, very diffuse coma just 6 arcseconds across and a tiny tail.

reply to post by heineken

and on comet elenin all we got is the same old NASA Story

You keep claiming the story is from NASA. Please show us that is correct. I think this is wrong.

Is this the same as failed claims of more earthquakes, more volcanic eruptions, more tsunamis, and that comets or any other celestial body than the Moon is associated with earthquakes?

reply to post by heineken

how things are adding up...only recently i adopted to the fact that it might be true we might have a dwarf star lurking next to our solar system...with evidence that having a binary companion star is the norm in the universe...with the announcement of a planetary body larger than Jupiter found by WISE

There was NO announcement of a planetary body discovery by WISE.
Binary systems are not the norm in the universe. It is well known now that brown dwarfs are common and they do not form binary systems. Thus the percentage of binary systems has been lowered.

since we cant estimate the size of elenin because it is surrounded by a cloud

That has nothing to do with it. Please learn how masses of small objects are determined in the solar system.

it can actually be also the cause of not reflecting the light and thus be invisible to us

A 'cloud' in the solar system would be highly reflective. You're making up tall tales to cover a failed tall tale.

if its a dwarf star..when aligning with our Sun it might cause EQ and Volcanic eruptions taking into consideration an ELECTRICAL UNIVERSE

That just more silliness. The Moon is close and it does not cause large earthquakes and does not affect volcanic eruptions.

reply to post by InTrueFiction

Like I mentioned before - the chance of something so massive sneaking in on Earth without disrupting the other planets' orbits would be a mathematical miracle.

Actually, that's impossible. You are quite correct to point out that other objects in the solar system are affected by the gravity of all of the other bodies. Should there be a new large mass in the solar system, then the predicted paths of the planets would change. That change is measurable if the object were as large as a planet.

stereologist as i showed your links failed..end of case


binary stars...

Binary Star Systems Versus Planetary Systems


dwarf star hunt...

Scientists, telescope hunt massive hidden object in space

elenin...

So little is known about this comet because of its relatively recent-discovery status, therefore, information regarding its size, mass, and orbit still vary widely or are missing altogether due to a lack of observational data. Still, astrophysicists have been plugging away at Elenin ever sine it was discovered last year.

www.earthpulsedaily.net...

case closed amigo

Originally posted by heineken
stereologist as i showed your links failed..end of case


binary stars...

Binary Star Systems Versus Planetary Systems


dwarf star hunt...

Scientists, telescope hunt massive hidden object in space

elenin...

So little is known about this comet because of its relatively recent-discovery status, therefore, information regarding its size, mass, and orbit still vary widely or are missing altogether due to a lack of observational data. Still, astrophysicists have been plugging away at Elenin ever sine it was discovered last year.

www.earthpulsedaily.net...

case closed amigo

edit on 27-3-2011 by heineken because: (no reason given)

...Are you honestly implying that Elenin is Tyche?

Elenin is less than 2 AU away, near the constellation of Leo.

Tyche, a hypothetical object, is, supposedly, little under a lightyear away at the very edge of our solar system.

Hypotheticals go zooming right over your head, don't they, Poindexter.

Oh, and Tyche is predicted to be only two to three times Jupiter's mass. A brown dwarf is 13 to 15 times that, at the very least.

And the NASA Buzzroom was not managed by NASA itself, and anyone could post anything they pleasd. In fact, I believe the original poster of the video you cited is one Laura Knight-Jadczyk, a known fraud. How convenient.

reply to post by heineken


Wow. You failed to support your claim that the story was a NASA story. That's because that was another tall tale.

So here we are with a comic book version of science being used to claim that most stars are in binary systems. As I pointed out the number of brown dwarfs is large and they tend not to be in binary systems because of their low mass. Your link does not support your case of most stars being in binary systems.

Here is a link to a place that actually considers numbers of objects.
What percentage of the stars are binary systems?
The link suggests about half.

Binary stars

It is estimated that approximately 1/3 of the star systems in the Milky Way are binary or multiple, with the remaining 2/3 consisting of single stars.

So why the difference in the statements? In the first link the astrophysicists referred to stars near our Sun.

So it looks like you failed - AGAIN.

reply to post by heineken


I realize that English is not your first language. That is why you probably misunderstood the article about any new planetary or larger discovery in our solar system. WISE found nothing.

The theoretical object, dubbed Tyche,...

The newspaper stated that this object is not discovered but is proposed to exist.

Matese and Whitmire who have already failed with the Nemesis hypothesis are not predicting that in 2 years of study they will show that this undiscovered object will be revealed in the WISE data.

Although nothing has been discovered yet 2 guys say it will be. Let's see what is in the data.

reply to post by heineken


The reason that its size and mass are not known is that this object is so small that it is hard to tell. Were it of any size it would have long ago affected the motions of the known planets. It has not in any measurable way.

I believe your claims are an epic failure.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by heineken

 

I realize that English is not your first language. That is why you probably misunderstood the article about any new planetary or larger discovery in our solar system. WISE found nothing.

The theoretical object, dubbed Tyche,...

The newspaper stated that this object is not discovered but is proposed to exist.

Matese and Whitmire who have already failed with the Nemesis hypothesis are not predicting that in 2 years of study they will show that this undiscovered object will be revealed in the WISE data.

Although nothing has been discovered yet 2 guys say it will be. Let's see what is in the data.

On a side note. I think in 2008 they said that if in 2 years Nemesis was not found they'd admit to be wrong (because of the new technology sent out in 2010). Are they still looking for it now?

We seem to have gotten back on track.

A reminder... Please keep your posts centered on the Topic Not the Poster.

The character assassinations and snide comments are not needed or appreciated.

TIA

reply to post by InTrueFiction


Nemesis is no longer considered a possibility. The problem is that the original object was proposed after Matese and Whitmire proposed a 26My extinction cycle. Subsequent research showed that there wasn't such a repetitive cycle. Also, it turns out that the properties given to Nemesis were not stable. The object would not have had a long term stable 26My cycle. They went back to the "drawing boards" and came up with a replacement called Tyche.

If something massive, i.e. planet sized or larger, exists in the solar system then it must be vary far out such as the proposed Tyche.

reply to post by stereologist


Yes though inspiring the Nemesis theory was in focusing on earth disasters always seemed like a stretch. The idea of we being part of a binary system is not a foolish idea but the fact that they based it on a disaster scenario always seemed wrong.

reply to post by InTrueFiction


Agreed. What is interesting is that many stars similar to the Earth are in binary systems while stars in general are not. It's always important to know what people are counting when they make statements.

I noticed that a while after the periodicity claim was published by Matese and Whitmore others published periodicity values that did not match their 26My and were not multiples of their cycle. Later on the whole idea of there being some sort of periodic nature to the events was dropped.

stereologist the case is closed..

To date the issue remains unsettled in the scientific community.

To date the issue remains unsettled in the scientific community.

To date the issue remains unsettled in the scientific community.

we can never agree...it is still unsettled in the scientific community...i cant see how can we agree here..so big BYE

SOURCE : Nemesis (hypothetical star)

reply to post by stereologist


I have a slight correction to make. The claim of a cycle of mass extinctions originally came from Raup and Sepkoski, two paleontologists. Their work is what lead to the Nemesis hypothesis.