Full Meltdown Underway at Fukushima Reactor No.2 ? !!! Neutron Beam Observed !!

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


I thought the meltdown had happened like within the first week, didnt they say something like "fuel rods exposed and melting"?? isnt that a meltdown, I'm not knowledgable in these matters, but I think its should have been capped with huge lead box=) or more likely entombing it with sand boron and concrete, the lands useless to live on, or near, but to let it just burn out into the atmosphere, come on...that effects all of us... Also, a neutron beam would be highly dangerous, its effects great distances with large amount of radiation!!

reply to post by L.HAMILTON

I was under the impression that only reactor number 3 was a uranium and plutoniom fueled reactor. Not that a meltdown in a uraniun reactor is any less dangerous for the people living around it. 1,2,3,4, have all had some kind of meltdown, they really need to just give up and start pouring borian and cement on the things; at least that way they would only lose about a 50 sq mile area of the country instead of half.

Originally posted by Blazer
A meltdown doesn't create a nuclear explosion and mushroom cloud like a bomb. While there is sure to be some steam and smoke involved, a meltdown is simply that - the fuel becomes so hot that it melts through the container and you get a hot slag of molten fuel rods that usually end up in a concrete basin underneath the reactor.

A meltdown is bad because the material is then outside of the containment vessel and thus exposed and can easily spread to the surrounding environment.

Until the containment vessel has been breached there is no full "meltdown". The neutron beams being reported (last I read 13 distinct detections) are an indication that there are possible small leaks in the containment vessel. This does not mean there is a meltdown, just that if there are leaks, more radiation could be released.

Or just the used rods in the containment tank (due to lack of water) are involved. They would give off the same signature. This is actually more like at the moment as the time from the quake to date, those rods would be at a critical point. If it were a breach in the containment vessal, the levels would steadly increase, not fluxuate as they have been, and by this time would be ratiating much higher levels.

I'm starting to think this thread was created by disinfo agents to distract people from the REAL thread about the nuclear emergency.

Originally posted by TruthWillPrevail

Originally posted by Blazer
A meltdown doesn't create a nuclear explosion and mushroom cloud like a bomb. While there is sure to be some steam and smoke involved, a meltdown is simply that - the fuel becomes so hot that it melts through the container and you get a hot slag of molten fuel rods that usually end up in a concrete basin underneath the reactor.

A meltdown is bad because the material is then outside of the containment vessel and thus exposed and can easily spread to the surrounding environment.

Until the containment vessel has been breached there is no full "meltdown". The neutron beams being reported (last I read 13 distinct detections) are an indication that there are possible small leaks in the containment vessel. This does not mean there is a meltdown, just that if there are leaks, more radiation could be released.

Or just the used rods in the containment tank (due to lack of water) are involved. They would give off the same signature. This is actually more like at the moment as the time from the quake to date, those rods would be at a critical point. If it were a breach in the containment vessal, the levels would steadly increase, not fluxuate as they have been, and by this time would be ratiating much higher levels.

The touble here is that the molten metal runs into the containment basin and concentrates there until it reaches what is called the critical mass. When this quantity is reached, the fission reaction that was closed down when the tsunami happened will spontaneously reccommence, but this time with no moderators,to slow the reaction. Enourmous quantities of heat is generated that turns everything into a highly radiactive vapour that spews into the environment.

The critical mass for plutonium is only several hundred grams. There is about 270 kg of plutonium in reactor 3!!
And in case you have noticed reactor 3 has been demolished and the spent fuel pools used to be on the fourth floor!

IF this occurs, what has happened to date will look like a Sunday picnic.

Whether or not there has been or will be a full meltdown remains to be seen, and I have no opinion on that.

But what does it mean "Neutron beam observed"?

That's clearly something someone made up because it sounded cool and dramatic.

How does this get on the front page of ATS? Didn't anyone put "neutron beam" into a search engine to see what one is? A neutron beam is a piece of equipment used for science experiments.

Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

Are you smoking something? I struggled to understand the narrative of your post, and decided at the point of Mighty Mouse that you were offering yet another example of why my comments on page three are very relevant in this thread. Show some respect, and stop filling up the pages of this (or any) thread with stupid nonsense (it does nothing to edify or educate anyone, and is in fact downright insensitive/ rude).

Sheesh.

Dont tell me what to do PAL!

that right,, Stupid Nonsense it's all Hopeless Now from what it seems !

yeah Mocking ? ,, just an Miraculous Event can save Japan Now

Where is your Spiritual God ! why isn't this God Saving Japan! Only a Super Heavenly being Could save them
thats if all 4 reactors goes into a Meltdown ! as it might be on there way !

Respect is when the world only became human beings for ONLY 15 minutes ! then revert to their *** Lives

are you watching what is going on in japan day by day hour by hour Ill bet your not ! look at This Website this should be allover on about the Tragic Event in Japan shouldn't it ? ! Mass Media Focuses News ! This website should be in the constant headline ! about Japan and its not ! Member are more focused on other things when they look at the front page !

Just One only one ! about Japan on the front page ,, this Thread and only this thread from this time date as i post! Chernobyl was only one reactor this is 4 reactors that are in Turmoil!

Enjoy those radioactive clouds that will hover over your area ! when a meltdown does happen !

Rude you say In reality Half the world can care less about Japan as they are think its not my problem ! i dont live there Honey whats on TV who's on American Idol

Well for Me I DO CARE ! but at least I See you do care in away ! Right or you would not make an effort to type to insult me Psychological thinking is a great tool to wake people up

CNN
This JUST IN !
news.blogs.cnn.com...

READ and Learn !!!!!!!

Japan quake live blog: U.S. considering evacuation of troops in Yokosuka
news.blogs.cnn.com...
4 days ago

[9:30 p.m. Monday ET, 10:30 a.m. Tuesday in Tokyo] High levels of radioactive substances have been found in seawater near the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, its operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday. Levels of iodine-131 in the seawater were 126.7 times higher than government-set standards, the electric company said on its website. Its monitors detected caesium-134, which has a half-life of about two years, about 24.8 times higher than the government standards. Cesium-137 was found to be 16.5 times higher than the standard. The electric company detected these levels in seawater 100 meters (328 feet) south of the nuclear power plant Monday afternoon. Radioactive particles disperse in the ocean, and the farther away from the shore a sample is taken, the less concentrated the contamination should be. Because of the huge amount of dilution that happens in the ocean, there's not much chance of deep-water fish being tainted, said Murray McBride, a professor at Cornell University, who studies crop and soil sciences.

8:29 p.m. Monday ET, 9:29 a.m. Tuesday in Tokyo] The U.S. military is considering the mandatory evacuation of thousands of American troops and their families in Japan out of concern over rising radiation levels, a senior defense official said, according to CNN's Chris Lawrence. The official, who did not want to be on the record talking about ongoing deliberations, says there are no discussions to evacuate all U.S. troops across the country. The talks have focused exclusively on U.S. troops in Yokosuka, just south of Tokyo, the official said. Yokosuka is home to America's largest naval base in Japan.

as the rest of the world is focused on Entertainment of MTV American Idol etc..
I am focused on Japan

Well you want ignorance ! here you got it !

Los Angeles Times! Fricken baseball! can you believe it !


By Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times

March 24, 2011, 3:48 p.m.

( Headlines) !!!!
Nuclear crisis forces Japan to rethink energy needs


The March 11 quake and tsunami left much of Japan with a shortage of electricity and fuel. But the dark age has inspired creative ways to make do and save energy.
www.latimes.com...

The First Paragraph on the Section LA times Site kid you not!!

Reporting from Tokyo— The first pitch of Japan's baseball season has been pushed back so that people don't waste gasoline driving to games. When the season does start, most night games will be switched to daytime so as not to squander electricity. There'll be no extra innings.

You want to complain complain to the Los Angeles Times it seem there more concerned about Baseball Season then Japans Crisis

Thats what you call Ignorance ! It way of worse then what i posted of a Hopeless Miracle of a Fictitious Superman or Mouse saving Japan !

as Bill Hick's would say Go back to sleep America !


Ohh by the way why haven't you slammed the person below you on pg 3 of this thread


Doing the Neutron Dance! WTF! at least my fictitious characters Super hero's show saving the day!
That type of Education is to wake people up! Sheesh !

reply to post by XtraTL


It's from the Japanese News Netwrk:

english.kyodonews.jp...

Neutrons are emmited when uranium and plutonium atoms are split.

Anyone following the weather patterns and the implications of a possible radioactive cloud moving in various directions? Any scenarios/computer-generated models you know of, with possible dates and degrees of contamination danger?

Originally posted by XtraTL
Whether or not there has been or will be a full meltdown remains to be seen, and I have no opinion on that.

But what does it mean "Neutron beam observed"?

That's clearly something someone made up because it sounded cool and dramatic.

How does this get on the front page of ATS? Didn't anyone put "neutron beam" into a search engine to see what one is? A neutron beam is a piece of equipment used for science experiments.

A neutron beam can be produced by specialised equipment, but it is no more equipment itself than a laser beam is.
A neutron beam can also be produced by drilling a hole into a functioning or melting-down reactor.
The accompanying Cherenkov radiation in that case may make the beam visible close to the reactor.

Originally posted by Danjya
Anyone following the weather patterns and the implications of a possible radioactive cloud moving in various directions? Any scenarios/computer-generated models you know of, with possible dates and degrees of contamination danger?

The release of contamination is continuing, and the patterns of air movement keep changing, so this will inevitably spread all over the northern hemisphere.
However it's possible not enough will spread outside Japan to noticeably affect anyone's health.

It's all about the dose received.

I'd not like to be living in Tokyo or closer to the plant.

reply to post by BRITWARRIOR


Don't listen to the Japanese, they don't know failure, they don't know humility. They keep hope when all hope is obviously lost, they will continue to work on these reactors until they all glow in the dark, only so they can say, "We have been successful"...

Originally posted by CastleMadeOfSand
Where is the Nuetron beam? Did I miss it?

What's with the 80's music? Between this thread and this one:www.abovetopsecret.com...
I feel like a kid again.

Is there an end in sight? I feel terrible sitting here with internet, air conditioning, electricity, water etc... , when all this stuff is happening right now.

......strange days indeed.

The song and title are appropriate to the situation, in my opinion anyway.

reply to post by XtraTL


I was short listed for a research job at the HIFAR reactor just outside Sydney Australia some years ago, where they were using Neutron beams to specifically bombard various items and measure the effects, so I have some understanding of this.

When nuclear fission occurs the atoms split apart, releasing neutrally charged particles (hence the name Neutron) from within the atoms. In a reactor, these Neutrons go on to collide with other atoms causing them to split, releasing more Neutrons. This is the "Chain Reaction" that people talk of, Neutrons split atoms, releasing Neutrons, splitting atoms...

In non-radioactive elements, any Neutron's that collide don't normally release enough Neutrons to sustain a chain reaction, but are just absorbed or reflected. They do, however carry with them significant energy and can damage the structure of matter at an atomic and molecular level.

To get a Neutron beam, you basically open up a small hole through the reactor shielding. The resultant 'beam' is caused by Neutrons flowing out through this hole (in a roughly straight path), like a beam of light.

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by L.HAMILTON

 

I'm skeptical of this report for a couple of reasons one that means the reactor is still operating. Now according to there procedures the boron rods dropped the minute the earth quake started. This would stop the fission process and no neutrons would be created.And finally how are they detecting this beam In a lab you have to use a scintillation detector just to see it. If the reactor core was breached this beam wouldn't move or disapear provided it would create a beam in the first place which is also unlikely. How ever if against all the laws of physics it actually occured the reactor core then is breached and you have more to worry about then a beam. At that point you have a bomb and we should be seeing a mushroom cloud with a live reactor with a breach. .

Normal procedure would have allowed those boron rods to drop. That process failed. Thus, the mess the troubled reactors are in right now.

I live in Japan and I am sick of this FEAR MONGERING BOLLOXS!!!
Do any of you idiots or make and help to distribute such videos stop and ask yourselves maybe I should check before I scare people.
None of you care about people living in the affected area who might read this and flip out. You only care about a short term ego boost you may get when ppl thank you for SPREADING THE WORD.
When these things you claim are going to happen never happen, none of you say sorry, you just move onto the next ego boost.

There should be a negative rating system on this site to stop fear mongering pricks posting nonsesne. So when these END OF WORLD events don't happen, ppl can vote you pricks down to stop you moving onto your next ego boost.

reply to post by musashi9


Agreed. Being as paranoid as you are, please note that a lot of the news are reported by international news stations, so they're not reported by the Japanese media. The reactors are stabilizing, and there are people in Japan who still need to live their lives. Most of the stuff people think are going to happen here don't happen.

Besides, if radioactive clouds or radiation or caesium or whatever are serious, then how come none at dangerous levels have been reported? It's kind of like the Nibiru crap where people keep saying it's going to come. if it's going to come, we would have seen it by now. A decent telescope would do. Somehow there are only a few blurry images online that people use repeatedly. Stuff like WWIII is possible, or something that makes sense is possible. An asteroid could hit earth, but please show thousands of different pictures of the same asteroid to show it's there.

Same thing w/ the radiation situation. Find someone who is there in Tokyo, and has a geiger counter, and ask him to report a reader that is actually alarming.

reply to post by Danjya


HerE is a German website that has some tracking info www.tinurl.com/4s4z6uz.com

Here is a French projection as of 3-23-2011


This website has both local Japanese plume information and a number of other important pieces of information ex;

Wednesday 23rd March Fukushima 70 kilometre contamination levels twice as high as Chernobyl Permanent Control Zone. Honshu should be evacuated. The IAEA website yesterday revealed beta-gamma contamination measurements taken between 35 and 68 km from Fukushima. The results ranged from 0.08 to 0.9 MegaBecquerels per square metre (MBq/m2). The Chernobyl Permanent Control Zone was contaminated up to 0.55 MBq/m2. The highest level of contamination classified after Chernobyl was greater than 1.48 MBq/m2. The data for Chernobyl were for Caesium and the same is probably true for the Fukushima data. All official agencies are conspicuously silent about the alpha-emitters Plutonium and Uranium. We remain deeply concerned about this lack of information.

and

Cancer in Sweden following Chernobyl is a stark warning for Japan A cautious but careful study [ref] in northern Sweden polluted by Caesium and Uranium fuel particles showed cancer increased by 11% in the ten years following the accident. The level of fallout in that part of Sweden was 0.1 kBq MBq/m2. If we assume that cancer increases linearly with the level of fallout, the areas of Japan affected at 0.9 MBq/m2 may experience increases of 90%. We recommend that the public within 150km should leave the area immediately.

reply to post by AwesomeOverload


Perhaps both of you (+musashi9) would like to keep your heads in the sand, but Fukushima just like Chernobyl has been changed forever, and is now affecting not only Japan but large portions of the ocean and the NOrthern hemisphere, we are all in this together, you can either educate yourselves or not but admonishing others ( who are effected too ) to "not scare" people is childish. People only scare themselves.

If you are so knowledgeable about this is disaster (and historically how private companies and governments have handled previous situations similar to it) please by all means point us to the FACTS BEHIND YOUR ASSERTIONS

Or hop over to THIS thread and participate in the discussion to tell us how we are fear mongering in our desire to know the truth.

Did you just make me watch an 80's music video?