Libya to give weapons to one million people: report

To clairfy, the Head of the Arab League has said his quotes about "civilian deaths" were taken out of context and they still support the NFZ and the air strikes. Apparently he meant there should be care to avoid civilian deaths...

Seems someone had a word...

Originally posted by Itop1
just in

1650: The BBC's Jonathan Head reports from Cairo that the Arab League's apparent second thoughts about supporting a no-fly zone look like a worrying crack in the coalition. Public opinion in Egypt, while very sympathetic to the Libyan opposition, is suspicious of Western involvement, so without the Arab League's endorsement the no-fly zone will lose its legitimacy in this region, he adds.

I'm suspicious about Western involvement too!

Work of the CIA agents, get in to unstable countrys and create a revolt against the governments, or maybe not, maybe people are genuinely fed up and want freedom, we'll never know

1715: Asma, in the UK, writes: "My family is in Benghazi, and it is hard for me to see my country being bombarded, but Gaddafi made it the only way to help stop the killing of civilians by his forces. I was relieved to know that now he cannot use his airforce to bomb my family, friends and all other civilians. He is manipulative and will use bodies of people killed by his own forces to say they were killed by coalition forces. Why believe him this time?" Have Your Say

Originally posted by boondock-saint

they do have a right to change their
minds just like the arab league just did.

Also, their abstain may have been bought
or blackmailed by possible sanctions
or loss of trade if they used their veto.

I find it highly suspicious that 3 of the 5
countries that have veto power abstained
in the vote.

Or could it be that they allowed events to take off in this fashion, knowing damn well that the western powers would go OTT, and not follow the Arab League's request simply to protect civilians.

If the AL back out, the Russians & Chinese would have a good excuse to kick off. Serves the western powers right if this is the case, but I don't know if I will be feeling the same way once a nuclear strike occurs.

Simple fact: you don't give out guns to the people, unless the people are on your side.

So either this is all orchestrated by the west as a false flag for attack, or the rebel uprising is considerably smaller than it was made out to be.

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
So either this is all orchestrated by the west as a false flag for attack, or the rebel uprising is considerably smaller than it was made out to be.

or BOTH !!!
we may never know

however, one thing IS for certain

a can of worms has been opened
that can't be closed. And Russia and China
may have just set up the US in a trap.
And Gadhaffi helped.

Originally posted by Itop1
I agree with you that its just propaganda.... but, what if it wasn't ?

Well if it wasn’t just propaganda and he is in fact arming one million people, then that’s extremely bad for everyone concerned. I don’t want to think about it too much to be honest!

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Soshh

 

His military has been incredibly loyal through this whole thing.

You mean the portion of his military who haven't defected and wouldn't consider it even if they weren't threatened with execution have been incredibly loyal throughout "this whole thing".

As much I would hate to see troops die I think the west needs a good bloody nose over always sticking it in other countries business. A few silkworms to sink a carrier support group might make them think twice. Why are US military listening to illegal orders from the president. Congress didn't authorize this war.

reply to post by boondock-saint
Thats a very interesting view point.
Tie up & Bog down the U.S. and then create problems in critical sectors.
Sort of like: "Death by a thousand paper cuts"...

Originally posted by Soshh

You mean the portion of his military who haven't defected and wouldn't consider it even if they weren't threatened with execution have been incredibly loyal throughout "this whole thing".

Demonstrate it. Where is your evidence this is the case?

Any proof? Or just a claim made by the MSM? My problem is that I see no credible evidence of the claims being made by the MSM. But I DO see what sure looks to me like our MSM making bad, oh so bad, propaganda clips to influence us. Russia also claims that we are lying about Gaddafi air striking his people, the MSM can show no film of it, I just dont see any reason to believe unsupported claims being made by a corporate owned and sponsored media.

Originally posted by Soshh
You mean the portion of his military who haven't defected and wouldn't consider it even if they weren't threatened with execution have been incredibly loyal throughout "this whole thing".

just saw a news report from FOX that said
that plane that went down yesterday was NOT
a plane loyal to Gadhaffi, but it was a Libyan air
force defector who was fighting for the rebels and
it was Gadhaffi's forces that shot him down.
waiting on clarification for that.

video.foxnews.com...

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Congress didn't authorize this war.

correct you are
but the UN did

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Or.......................................the MSM is lying to us, and the people of Libya really arent rising up against Gaddafi and this is all a manufactured scenario. Like he has been arguing the whole time.

WE are the ones attacking the Libyan people and airstriking Libya.

And you really believe that, do you? The last seve4ral weeks of fighting has really been a very good photshop job by the evil Western powers? Ok....

Originally posted by Irish Matador
reply to post by stumason

 

Please post as I dont even know what Rapier is plus I dont think we have ever crossed paths on ATS.

You know what, with all the threads going on, I can't even find MY post let alone yours! And we have crossed paths, several times today in fact. Glad to see you note who and what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Irish Matador
reply to post by Cobaltic1978

 

Didnt realise that. Thanks for pointing out!! Something new learned today!!

I've called you up on it 3 times today, at least once in this thread!!!!

You keep using the term "English" and I'm not the only one to get riled up by it. You really should pay more attention!!

Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Soshh

 

His military has been incredibly loyal through this whole thing.

You mean the portion of his military who haven't defected and wouldn't consider it even if they weren't threatened with execution have been incredibly loyal throughout "this whole thing".

Indeed! Not sure why Illusionsaregrander thinks the Libyan military has been "loyal throughout this whole thing" as they most certainly, bloody well haven't! Half the Army and a sizeable chunk of the Air Force defected at the start of this thing.

Originally posted by stumason

And you really believe that, do you? The last seve4ral weeks of fighting has really been a very good photshop job by the evil Western powers? Ok....

No, I absolutely do not think the last several weeks of fighting has been a very good photo shop job by the "western" powers. I think its been an incredibly shoddy propaganda job by the "western" powers, (where "western" means the people who have subverted the actual western democratic governments)

See I sought out and watched images of Israelis attacking Palestinian civilians and media, and I sought out and watched video of civilian casualties in Iraq, and I sought out and watched images of protest in all sorts of countries including right here at home in the US, and so I have a pretty good idea what war and protests look like.

And its not the bull# being pawned off on us by the MSM now.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


So, assuming you are right about the "shoddy propoganda job" being perpetrated, how do explain Al-Jazeera and Iranian TV's coverage mirroring it almost exactly, carrying the same stories etc. Up until Friday's UNSC resolution, Iranian TV was highly critical of Gudaffi and was saying the same thing as our "western" media was...

Me thinks you are just a little too cynical and this might, just for once, may be actually what they are saying.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
I'll believe it when I see it in pictures or video.
What Gadhaffi says in the press and what he actually
does, is 2 different things.

Amen , no need to jump to conclusions on what could happen.

reply to post by stumason


It looks shoddy on Al Jazeera too.

english.aljazeera.net...

I dont THINK the media lies to me to manipulate my opinions. I KNOW it does. I KNOW I am being barraged with images of "protests" in countries where the NWO wants the governments over turned and I KNOW that images of protests in countries where the NWO is perfectly happy with the leadership is withheld, unless the protesters can be made to look like mindlessly violent savages terrorizing the hard working citizenry..

This has been the case for decades now. We are being manipulated not only by the images we are shown, but perhaps even more by what is being withheld.

So you can label me overly suspicious or paranoid all you want. Im actually NOT very high in terms of paranoiaon any personality test I have ever taken. Nor am I very high in terms or irrationality. Im actually a very deliberate, analytical, rational personality type, with no known mental illnesses, no run ins with the law except for some school fighting, (which I did not start).

I simply do not believe what the media is selling right now, and I dont care how many outlets carry it or appear to carry it. A million channels carrying propaganda does not make that propaganda any less rubbish.

Clearly, the Arab League is feeling a little mislead and betrayed by the NWO right now too.

www.washingtonpost.com...

CAIRO—The Arab League secretary general, Amr Moussa, deplored the broad scope of the U.S.-European bombing campaign in Libya on Sunday and said he would call a new league meeting to reconsider Arab approval of the Western military intervention.

Moussa said the Arab League’s approval of a no-fly zone on March 12 was based on a desire to prevent Moammar Gaddafi’s air force from attacking civilians and was not designed to embrace the intense bombing and missile attacks—including on Tripoli, the capital, and on Libyan ground forces—that have filled Arab television screens for the last two days.

And I will reassert that it is INCREDIBLY ODD that we had NO video of Gaddafi air striking his people, even though every western media out let was dying to get one, but we have TONS of images of the "west" bombing Libya.

I guess Gaddafis invisibility cloaked air force is just to sneaky and clever for the corporate NWO media? Or it just never happened. Just like the Russians said it never happened.

It was all a ploy to get other nations behind the no-fly zone so the NWO could attack a sovereign nation minding its own business.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Ah, so to answer my question about propoganda, your answer is every media outlet throughout the world is in cahoots, there is not really a rebellion and Gaddaffi is just a poor, misunderstood man. See, no matter what "evidence" anyone brings to the table, you will label it as some "NWO media BS"...

Righto...

reply to post by stumason


I dont like Gaddafi. I am no fan, and I really dont appreciate your trying to make it seem as if my lack of support for criminal behavior on the part of "the west" has ANY thing to do with my support for Gaddafi.

It doesnt. But wrong is wrong. I dont have to like him. Im not Libyan. How they choose to run their country is not my business. What is my business is what the politicians who are supposed to be carrying out the will of the voters in my country do. And they are not carrying out the will of the voters in my country.

They are throwing our money away on an unjust cause, over a trumped up "humanitarian" issue, to make some rich people richer. This is NOT a humanitarian war. This is about oil, and the transport of oil, and the security of oil, and controlling the entire region so that people can continue to profit from the oil, and in fact increase their profits from the oil.

It is NOT to my countries benefit, my country is paying for something that will benefit multinational corporations with NO national loyalty.

Edit to add,

And you have brought NOTHING in terms of evidence to the table. Claims are not evidence. Show us Gaddafi attacking his people.

reply to post by stumason


You have brought nothing to this thread but your smart and disparaging remarks.

I and others have given plenty of links to prove our points yet all you do is look at it from your small minded point of view and provide nothing.

Take your english or british attitude and reply to someone who might take a slight interest in your point of view.

I have been nothing but polite but alas I am afraid this is where I leave you wallow in your ignorance.

Good day sir.

Now back to the topic at hand.