Sorcha Faal Accuses ATS of Being CIA Platform -- OUTRIGHT LIE

Meh... anyone in the know knows that the CIA doesn't specialize in cyber fun. The NSA and the DOD do. If somebody is going to play the disinfo game, they should at least get the players right first.

Cage match? My money is on Colleen Thomas for her epic bo.....xing skills.

Originally posted by WrathShadow
Cage match? My money is on Colleen Thomas for her epic bo.....xing skills.

aaaahhh maaaann
u just had to go there didn't ya ???
As looney as that chick is,
she's got to be an MK-ULTRA
leftover.

and yes
I do know she has an account here
and may be watching

It's funny I think how after uncovering government conspiracies I went to a website about government conspiracies and then I started to wonder if ATS was part of the conspiracy because they gave certain sensitive threads a hoax label. Perhaps it's just too much suspicion or paranoia, but it seems like a depressing life to always be wondering if your friends are "agents" or not, even if not, they could still be wrong, so it's not about us and them, agent vs. free person, it's about who is right, and who is wrong. ATS has given certain threads a hoax label that I feel is wrong. Does this mean that they work for the government, I don't know, but I do think they are wrong. But I could be wrong, but instead of discussing it the hoax label gives a preconceived notion about the absolute truth of a thread's content. In the exact same way, the government does this by placing an official seal on things that are factual wrong, like the 9/11 NIST report. The problem stems from "authority" which makes certain people above others and therefore more competent to use their mind. If the "experts" say..., or if the institutions say...then it must be right, "who am I to disagree?" One time I was given the title of "admin" at the end of my name in a chat room, because I talked to the owner and he liked me. But then I noticed something, when you talk to other people in a chat room with "admin" attached to your name, you get this sort of weird feeling, like they are constantly wondering if you are going to approve of what they are saying, if you will maybe ban them, since you have the power to do that. It's a power trip, nothing more. It happens everywhere, it happens at work, in the government, and yes on ATS. Some people like the power trip, but if I were a moderator on this site, I wouldn't even want the title "mod" next to my name, because it automatically targets you as "one of them," the same way it is better to be an undercover detective than a police officer out in the open in a police squad car. I'll tell you what, it's hard to find video of undercover cops getting in trouble, because they are not as noticeable, except for that one guy that brought a gun to a snow ball fight, idiot, but anyways, before I digress further, it's not about secrecy, about being "undercover" it's about equality. Why should I trust a "scientist" or a "political leader" more so than myself? Why should I form an opinion about something just because someone else calls it a hoax? I shouldn't. I should discuss it, because that is all I can really do, talk about the issue, rather than having absolute proof about the issue. This is why freedom of speech is so important, and the first amendment, because it acknowledges that man has very little other than his opinion, and perhaps more importantly than this is that the government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, and a religion is just another man's opinion, which usually gains some type of notoriety because of the state, which is why the government should not respect one religion (opinion) over another. Nor, on the other hand, prohibiting it. In a perfect society, everyone could say their opinions openly, without fear of the mod squad telling them it's not politically correct, or offensive to someone living 5,000 miles away, or racist, or hurtful, or untrue; freedom of speech means I can say 2+2=5 and I can say it and believe it, but freedom of speech also allows you to say that I'm wrong, and no matter how offended I am that you said I'm wrong, it doesn't matter, not because 2+2=4, but because you have the freedom to say I'm wrong. This means we are allowed to lie, because no one knows what the truth is. So no one knows what a lie is. All you can really do is know if you are lying to yourself, and that is between you and yourself, not the government and yourself. On what moral ground can the government say it is a crime to lie to a government agent, when government agents lie to the public all the time? On what moral ground can anyone of authority say they have absolute say when we all have freedom of speech?

The defense has ended their opening argument.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
I wonder what that dude gets out these wild claims, besides getting his kicks masquerading as a woman and tricking people?

Is there a monetary reason he does this?

I'm still new to the hole Sorcha Faal carnival.

I think Booth is writing this in an attempt to piggy back our traffic. by putting our name into this fictional tripe, it gets posted here, driving people back to his site.

sad.

I thought there was money involved. Thanks.

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well, if he manages to get a spike in traffic, his ads might bring in more money so, yes, it is about the money

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In a perfect society, everyone could say their opinions openly, without fear of the mod squad telling them it's not politically correct, or offensive to someone living 5,000 miles away, or racist, or hurtful, or untrue...

On a government-run forum, this might even be true. However, "freedom of speech" is one of those things that applies to governmental agencies, not private websites.

Ever consider using paragraphs? It helps the readability of your material immensely.

Why was Jim Fetzers thread 'illusions, special effects and other magic tricks' first labelled a hoax and then removed altogether with all references to my posts made showing a 404error page. There is plenty of evidence to indicate that alot of what we saw of 9/11 was flawed, with video anomalies showing up left, right and centre. Even if it was undeniably a hoax, which it isn't, why remove it completely? What possible cause?
Why did stavis thread about the christian crosses and star of david/satanic symbols cut into the world trade centre steel disappear altogether, with no trace remaining in my post history and no explanation given. It is actions like these than draws suspicion and fuels un-ease, in my little book.

This is quite amusing....If it was true, I'm sure that Homeland Security wouldn't have approved my "Hazmat" license renewals over the years since I have been a member here.

I don't talk much, but if they checked, (which I'm sure they could) they'd see that I'm lurking on here daily, and a lot of times, leave ATS open on a computer or 2 for days on end.

I'm not buying it. Just more carp that we have to deal with.

A_L

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

The US Military’s use of software to manipulate and control the American people is especially insidious as it will be rolled out on their already existing platforms of message boards such as the Above Network LLC owned website AboveTopSecret.Com that is funded by the Central Intelligence Agencies (CIA) venture capital arm In-Q-Tel and that purports itself to be the “largest and most popular web site for alternative topics”, but instead, many believe, continually provides its members list to the US Department of Homeland Security while smearing all thought and opinions critical of the US power structure and its elite leaders.

We are crawling with propagandists, and they seem like welcome members here.

It does lend credibility to this claim that a conspiracy site is totally silent on the topic of paid propagandists and sock puppets in an official way, and doesnt really seem to care when they flood our site, and doesnt even take the time to enforce the rules about one line posts with them. (Many of them make a bunch of one liners to get their post count up high enough to make threads when they first arrive.)

Thats the one thing that keeps me wondering about this long standing rumor that just wont go away. If ATS is what we think it is, why no strategy to deal with the known plans by the PTB to flood forums like this?

I have heard the weak argument that ATS is just way too smart and savvy to fall for it, but honestly, that sounds like an excuse to me. Especially since the owners go on absolute rampages over politeness, or whatever the pet peeve of the month is. So we know they will fight to protect their site in some cases. It strikes me as incredibly odd that grand conspiracists who wrote the website on conspiracy, would totally disregard the government flooding their website with disinfo and propagandists.

Years ago, SO warned us when a flood of new members joined during the elections. But we didnt hear an official peep when we got a HUGE spike in membership in Feb/March for the Libya invasion. All they did was point out how the website was growing, they were deadly silent on the suspicious spike of new members many, many of whom gravitated toward pro attacking Libya political positions. Its odd, thats all.

Just my two cents.

I remember when Faal started.... I was never and am still not impressed.

iVAN!

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
If ATS is what we think it is,

Who are "we" and what do they think ATS is? Seriously?

why no strategy to deal with the known plans by the PTB to flood forums like this?

What makes you think there is no strategy?

Especially since the owners go on absolute rampages over politeness, or whatever the pet peeve of the month is.

Is there something wrong with being polite?

would totally disregard the government flooding their website with disinfo and propagandists.

Again... what makes you think the issue is being ignored?

But we didnt hear an official peep when we got a HUGE spike in membership in Feb/March for the Libya invasion.

There was no huge spike in membership during that timeframe. Perhaps a short-lived slight increase, but certainly nothing that can be qualified as anything close to a "HUGE spike." Where are you getting your information?

All they did was point out how the website was growing, they were deadly silent on the suspicious spike of new members many, many of whom gravitated toward pro attacking Libya political positions.

Again... where are you getting this information about a "suspicious spike of new members?"

From what I see, there's a clear balance -- as there has almost always been -- of people on all sides of the Libyan issue.

Isn't Sorcha Faal supposed to be that israeli guy who supposedly died mysteriously in Australia --- Joe Vialls ?

Joe Vialls posted some very good stuff in his day. A lot of it is still available on Truth Seeker UK: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...

If that's the case, should his alter ego, supposedly, Sorcha Faals be taken more seriously ?

To be honest, Sorcha Faals has never impressed me one iota

But then to ATS being a CIA platform

Really ?

The CIA, for pete's sake ?

I thought the CIA were supposed to be cutting edge smart ?

What on earth would they gain from ATS ?

No, seriously -- how would that work ? What would they get out of it ?

There are hundreds of sites similar to ATS

And they all regurgitate rubbish they picked up from the lying mainstream media

The same people are usually members of several similar sites

The same topics are rehashed year after year

What's in it for the CIA, other than laughs ?

No, seriously ....

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From your graphs.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord


Graphs Tell The Tale!

The first is the all-important visitors graph, showing an increase from 2.9 million visits during April of 2009, to 7.4 million visits in March of 2011.

And perhaps you are right, and there are not that many propagandists. Maybe my posting style and topic choice is just butting me up against more than my fair share of them, and it makes it appear that there are many more than their actually are.

Im sure you are right. You have more data than I do. One line posts mocking the intelligence of those of us here for free just tend to make me irrationally think they might be propagandists.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
From your graphs.

Total visits to the site in no way relate to new accounts, only a small percentage of those visiting would consider establishing an account. Our stats over the years actually indicate that, as visits rise, the percentage of new accounts as it relates to visits, is actually decreasing.

One line posts mocking the intelligence of those of us here for free just tend to make me irrationally think they might be propagandists.

Have you alerted the staff to such posts? Something like that is against the terms & conditions, and would be removed.

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I have. But the alert thing itself says not to alert to one line or off topic posts, and so I only do so when it really gets intolerable.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


That's no reason not to send an alert over something that is clearly an insult.


And what about the other assumptions of yours for which I responded?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Im sorry, I was busy admiring the latest trick in the Libya threads. A flash flood of stars for the pro attacking posts. They need to space them out a little more to make them more realistic though.

I have no more argument. If you really do care about the propagandists and have a plan to deal with them, and actually WANT the staff to deal with them, that would directly refute what Sorcha was saying about ATS being a test ground for the technology. They are here using the technology, though. And they arent even very sneaky about what they are up to.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

That's no reason not to send an alert over something that is clearly an insult.

And while that is very nice of you to let us report clear insults, it does not give us a mechanism to report people posting one and two line slightly off topic posts in bulk in the political threads to harass people or derail the topic. Because the ATS management has NOT addressed in a thread how we are to deal with the new persona softeware and other propaganda tools, we really dont know what to do.

We have no instructions on how to report them, we have no real defense against them, and we cannot call them out in the threads for fear of getting in trouble ourselves.

It just SEEMS like you are giving them free reign. Although I take you at your word that you are not.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
They are here using the technology, though.

What is your evidence for that?

As far as I can tell, there's "tracking" of commentary any different than what one would expect of a site like ATS, nor have there been account registrations typical of the (as yet not-deployed) technology of which you refer.

it does not give us a mechanism to report people posting one and two line slightly off topic posts in bulk in the political threads to harass people or derail the topic.

There's no reason to think otherwise. The complaint/alert system is in-place precisely to inform staff about such activity.

Because the ATS management has NOT addressed in a thread how we are to deal with the new persona softeware and other propaganda tools, we really dont know what to do.

First -- the "software" does not yet exist... or at least, not in the form you seem to think. Just because a government agency published an RFP for such software, is no reason to think it has been so rapidly deployed.

We have no instructions on how to report them,

Why would you not treat "them" and report on "them" as you would any other abusive member?

It just SEEMS like you are giving them free reign

It seems more like you're attributing people who have an opinion that is contrary to yours as being some nefarious band of rogue Internet trolls?

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord


It seems more like you're attributing people who have an opinion that is contrary to yours as being some nefarious band of rogue Internet trolls?

No, Im actually not, not that it matters, but I actually like a good debate. And I have been here several years, and I have never complained about boogie men trolling threads. But it is a good way to shut me up.

I can take a hint. Im totally wrong. I concede completely.