Canada expected to join in airstrikes against Libya

I'm on the fence, mainly because I'm not sure what to believe. I'm against meddling in others affairs, especially oil countries. However on the topic of F35s (flying fords). The cost has doubled suddenly, and that does not include the maintenance package.

Steve-O can needs to get his poop in a group he's pissing off alot of Canadians


back on topic, I don't like the whole situation, and we are not getting the whole picture that's for sure. So while the tragedy in Japan unfolds tptb dont let the opportunity of crisis slip by. Hurry hurry lets pass the vote! And btw a NO Fly Zone does not just mean nobody can fly.. it has to be militarily enforced, thus airstrikes and bombing..... all I know for sure is I feel for the innocents there in Libya.

reply to post by dl2one


If it doubled for us it also doubled for the U.S., France, England, Italy and ......... You don't hear them bitching and complaining now do you ? Hummm...Nope...just us POOR Canadians that would rather see Antique F-18's drop out of the skies !!!

As for the maintenance of the F-35....Military schools in Canada are jammed packed with F-35 mechanic students right now, a close friend of mine will be graduating this year and is specially being trained on the F-35. We will have our own people keep this bird up not Lockheed Martin consultants.

reply to post by Fox Molder

Please elaborate on that.

After WW2 we have been involved in 1..ONE war and that's Afghanistan as a back up to the U.S. going to Iraq.

The rest are all peace missions, yes some required defensive gun fire but please, if you know more than me, do explain.

Ok...first... I do not agree, at all, with the other poster's remark that Canada's military involvement has been "shady", but...

...Canada was involved in the Korean War...and the first Gulf War...as combatants.

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Dohhh....You're right....My bad...My brain must of gone Homer Simpson on me !!! Thanks !

Worst thing is....I was called out for the Gulf war back in 91 !!! Holly crap !!!! lmao !

reply to post by Fox Molder


I worked for a Canadian business for three years and the Canadians would crack jokes like this. I thought it was appropriate.

Personally, I'd like to see some of the mid east countries step up and put Qaddafi down.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Fox Molder

 

I worked for a Canadian business for three years and the Canadians would crack jokes like this. I thought it was appropriate.

Personally, I'd like to see some of the mid east countries step up and put Qaddafi down.

Yeop...Let's say Egypt steps up and let's add Saudi Arabia plus let's throw in some of the new Iraqi soldiers that now stand for democracy....Can't always be the West settling stuff in the East that's for sure !

Heck I was in the Canadian military and we cracked jokes like that, specially when we were hacking our subs and putting the parts on our destroyers...lol

Honestly i think we should just move all foreign troops out of all the ME countries. We have no right to go to another persons house and tell them they need to re-arrange their furniture. They have been fighting themselves for thousands of years, and they are gunna fight for thousands more. I bet there wouldnt have been major terrorist attacks if the western world never interfered.

reply to post by jaycen420


Western Europe used to be like that.

They were fighting and killing before recorded history to 1945.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Then Hitler came along and split everyone in to two groups....Then he lost and thus reuniting the mass....

Originally posted by Fox Molder
reply to post by dl2one

 

If it doubled for us it also doubled for the U.S., France, England, Italy and ......... You don't hear them bitching and complaining now do you ? Hummm...Nope...just us POOR Canadians that would rather see Antique F-18's drop out of the skies !!!

As for the maintenance of the F-35....Military schools in Canada are jammed packed with F-35 mechanic students right now, a close friend of mine will be graduating this year and is specially being trained on the F-35. We will have our own people keep this bird up not Lockheed Martin consultants.

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Dont suppose you have any links showing how the cost of purchased f35s doubled suddenly between announcing the purchase and before actually purchasing them in those countries you mentioned? If not don't worry about it. Second, if what you say is true how do you know nobody was "bitching and complaining" ?

How unreasonable is it to simply question wtf is going on when a 10 or 15 billion dollar price tag suddenly doubles? Geez man chill out I ain't bitching, because I know there is nothing I can do about it. I know when I go to buy a product I expect no sudden 100% increase in price. Now what I may buy is nothing compared to purchasing F35s, however the principle of "wtf just happened to the price" still should stand, unless you just accept everything our government does as altruistic in nature. But please, you sound angry just chill out, I'm happy for you having a fiery position, just not happy where that position is. AH well, this is ATS

Originally posted by jaycen420
ok so we are getting ready for the attack on Gadhafi's troops. Just another UN sanctified attack. Now Canada is involved. i wonder why Russia and China are against it. Any ideas?www.timescolonist.com...

Perhaps some countries see this as an opportunity to sell anti-aircraft guns and missles to Lybia.

Others may see an opportunity to restore the Ottoman-Turk Empire.

Whatever the reason, it is likely to be a continuing conflict. When the US and Nato forces try to establish a no fly

zone as they did in Iraq, combat losses to friendly fire is the greatest hazzard.

Originally posted by Phantom28804
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Two things that I have to say on this subject.


1. Last I heard they are doing a no-fly zone, not going to bomb Libya so I wouldn't call it air strikes.

2. If they needed everyone in the UN to agree on something then nothing would ever get passed. The chances of every single member country of the UN agreeing on something is slim to none.


You also asked why didn't the China, Germany, and Russia vote? Well basically the answer to that is that they don't want to approve the No Fly Zone, but at the same time they aren't really against it. So its easier to abstain and basically say they are washing there hands of it.

1) implementing a NFZ is an act of war. It requires targeting certain air strips and missile defense systems.

2) agreed with your 2nd

What I find comical, is 25 years ago, the US put Gaddalfi into power....now we are assisting in taking him out. Would seem there is alot of " put in power " placements, then removal. Escobar, Mubarek, Saddam, and now Gaddalfi....the list keeps going...and going....and going....

It sets a precedence. But I also wouldn't read to much into the Canadian Air force...I mean its Canada were talking about?

Canada military is UNMATCHABLE

those CF-18 will make the US marines JEALOUS

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You do realize that the CF-18 is actually the US built F-18 super hornet dont you? We sold them to your country.

Though Navy aircraft have not historically sold well on the export market, the F/A-18 has been purchased and is in operation with a number of foreign air services. Export Hornets are typically similar to U.S. models of a similar manufacture date. Since none of the customers operate aircraft carriers, all export models have been sold without the automatic carrier landing system, and Royal Australian Air Force further removed the catapult attachment on the nose gear.[20] Except for Canada, all export customers purchased their Hornets through the U.S. Navy, via the U.S. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Program, where the Navy acts as the purchasing manager but incurs no financial gain or loss. Canada, the largest Hornet operator outside of the U.S., ordered its aircraft directly from the manufacturer.

Also, the CF-18 is a detachment of the Canadian Air force, the US marines are usually depicted as ground force, though they do use the F-18. I think you meant to correlate the US air force or navy's naval aviators?

you should first know Canadian pilots are amongst the most skilled in the world, our Intel are everywhere, our Navy has vast secret technologies which will remain that way for longer then you will be alive. As for Soldiers in general, they are Canadian this means they are well educated, physically stronger on average, better suited to adapt to various climates...

And lets not forget the courage factor alot maybe said by others that we lack it for the wars we didnt take part in. If the truth be told, when the chips were down, and the fear had taken hold to cripple other countries. This is when Canadians showed them what true courage is as they overcame fear and with fewer numbers succeeded when all others failed or were literally too afraid to try...

On the side to Iran and your new UFO... Big deal guy Canada has had UFOS for longer then America and that is fact...

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No ...Sorry if I come about as mad...I'm just typing away....I'm no where near mad..LOL....I don't accept blindly the price doubling but I do understand basic economics and contract clauses based on inflation, contract changes and penalties associated with any delays, changes or special request placed on an original order.

We need these F-35, no way around it.

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We did no such thing.

The Colonel came to power 40 years ago by his own hand. He has never been a Western client state.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Whereweheaded

 

We did no such thing.

The Colonel came to power 40 years ago by his own hand. He has never been a Western client state.

Are you referring to the purchase of military arms from the US? If so, I would suggest you research a bit.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


You said 25 years.

Gaddafi came to power 40 years ago, overthrowing a Western ally King Idris. Idris was a close ally of the US and the UK and even sided with the West during the 1956 Suez crisis.

We even had an air force base in Libya under Idris.

When Gaddafi came to power, he kicked us out and the Soviets controlled the base until the end of the Cold War.

So you might want to do some research.

Wheelus Air Base, Libya
www.globalsecurity.org...