U.N. Authorizes Military Strikes on Libya

Originally posted by AngelsOnMyShoulder
I hate to break down things to something so trivial as $ , but honestly how in the heck can we afford to get involved in this war too - when we can't even afford the one we are already in. The people of America are hurting with foreclosures, public service cuts, rising food costs the list just goes on. I believe in helping other countries.. although I would have to say I disagree with our policy of sticking our nose in every country's affairs. But my real concern is really...how can we afford it if the Government Checkbook is empty ;-(

....its quite simple....they just print more money....one of the many reasons the "checkbook" is empty....

I think this is another step in the NWO coming to fruition! I mean really, think about this for a moment. The NWO is all about one world government right? You most certainly cannot have a one world government when there is opposition. Enter the problem/reaction/solution scenario.

A NWO is a one world government. If we all agree to that then we can move forth and say that for the NWO there must be one side and one side only....a polarization if you will. I'm sure you can figure out from this point what the targets are. All those who are not in alignment with this plan!! Take them out (anyways possible as long as it can be "justified" in a way where the general populace will accept it) and polarize those leaders and populace by any means necessary!

It's an art in it's own way. You take your time and never rush it. Try to create something perfect through extensive thought and hard work and basically take colonialism to the next step.

This is new territory for the global populace of the world and we must adapt and think like those who want to control ....well...everything!

This may be the only way to understand their agendas. Afterward, once we can think like those who wish to control us, we can oppose them (in almost every way) and depolarize ourselves to create a new opposition.

Is there a way out? I'm not sure! There always seems to be right vs wrong, balance vs imbalance, what do you people say??

Peace and Respect,

AS

This is all planned and Lindsey Williams called it in advance. They will do just enough damage to allow the rebels to keep fighting, but not enough to take Khadaffi out. They seek chaos and the disruption of oil. $200 per barrel oil is just around the corner, followed by the total collapse of the US dollar and a new currency.

Thats just the plan. The collapse of the US dollar and the double crossing of US debt holders, followed by a one world currency. Then they will release the huge oil reserves in the US.

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Originally posted by Pr0t0
reply to post by mydarkpassenger

 

Except in Bahrain where it's ok to shoot protestors, right?... or Saudi, perhaps? Or Yemen... Certainly Lebanon they're our newest lap dogs in the middle east right? Ivory Coast has a dictator who's openly killed many thousands, but he's cool too. Sudan's dictator is a convicted war criminal who has the blood of hundreds of thousands to answer for - - but no rush.

Of course, you're right. Libyans need to be saved from this brutal dictator, whose army drop bombs hundreds of yards from protestors while they fire aimlessly into the sky. Funny how all the ameteur footage in Libya cannot be verified, admittedly even by the BBC and Sky News in several reports the previous days. But, OK sure, you seem to think it's the most pressing matter to remove this dictator before any other, so cvonvince me of why that is? And not because Libyan 'rebels' are asking for it, because you'll find much needier, more desperate 'rebels' elsewhere. If you can convince me of that I won't even mention the oil.

Oh my God your spreading of FUD has to stop.

Yes there are dictators around the world. Yes they do bad things. Yes we don't always act against them.

But it's not due to the fact that we want Libya's oil or whatever ridiculous reason you think of, it's because as humans our attention span is directed in certain directions given the ebb and flow of history and politics. The Arab revolutions that swept through Tunisia and then Egypt landed in Libya and nearly overthrew this dictator. Hence why our eyes were on this so much more so than Ivory Coast. Given Libya's relevance in this regard, of course it garners the most international attention. He also has been slaughtering his people mercilessly. Peaceful protesters, whereas in the other Arab nations, no such event occurred to this extent.

And did you not notice the extremely cautious nature of the U.S.? We didn't even push for a no-fly zone. We were very hesitant, even as Libya appeared on the verge of collapse. Now when things look worse for the rebels and with the approval of the Arab League we only just felt ready to support a UN-backed attack on Gaddafi.

Do you know why this is such a bad situation for the U.S.? Because we ALWAYS lose. No matter what we do. It's a catch-22 and if half of the people in the world were smart enough to realize that, then perhaps these dilemmas wouldn't be so daunting. If we go in to stop him, then naturally we must want oil/bases/US presence/etc. If we don't go in, we are "letting" him murder people and kill civilians and we get accused of inaction.

And your ridiculous assertion that these are fake "rebels" and all that makes you sound more delusional than Gaddafi. Back up your statements with facts. With sources that aren't some chic website's hearsay! Do you know how logistically impossible and unrealistic it is to fake all this news all around the world without any leaks? It's so ridiculous to even address that it boggles the mind. Surely there could be some manipulation as frequently the press and people have biases and such, but you are really pushing the envelope there.

So do you think NATO will also enforce a no-fly zone over Bahrain when they start attacking their citizens?

Or is it just for dictators who are not total puppets?

reply to post by bigyin


I looked up and she was gone!

I hate to be a party pooper, but here in the US we have this little document called a constitution. That document reserves the right to declare war solely to the congress of the US. The president does not have the authority to start a war with Libya without going through that little formality.

Of course that has never really stopped presidents in the past from ignoring the constitution.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy

James Madison

Now the Middle East Peace Treaty comes any day.....I thought we had more time than this! It's all happening now and the NWO is next. The Jubilee year is just a few years away, all foretold and yet it was all so hidden.

The days may look dark ahead but I always remember my grandmother saying; your body is like the dress you take off and throw on the floor in the evening, your done with it, doesn't mean the soul that wore that dress is gone. I want to meet my King!

Originally posted by Evanescence

Oh my God your spreading of FUD has to stop.

Firstly, your 'God' has nothing to do with what comes out of my mouth, and secondly how is an alarming concern at the cherry-picking enacted by NATO member countries and the blatancy of the United States hipocrisy in backing one murderous dictator while condemning another, in any sense the peddling of fear, uncertainty and/or doubt. Save that kind of accusatory language for your NLP for dummies class. All I offer is my unbiased opinion of what I see and hear from various sources of differing standpoints and opinions, which no doubt allows a broader, less biased view of the 'big picture' than that of your average current affairs consumer - - and a take it or leave it policy. Unlike TPTB I won't force my opinion.

Yes there are dictators around the world. Yes they do bad things. Yes we don't always act against them.

But it's not due to the fact that we want Libya's oil or whatever ridiculous reason you think of, it's because as humans our attention span is directed in certain directions given the ebb and flow of history and politics. The Arab revolutions that swept through Tunisia and then Egypt landed in Libya and nearly overthrew this dictator. Hence why our eyes were on this so much more so than Ivory Coast. Given Libya's relevance in this regard, of course it garners the most international attention. He also has been slaughtering his people mercilessly. Peaceful protesters, whereas in the other Arab nations, no such event occurred to this extent.

Oil is a ridiculous reason... well I would agree that if it were not so true, so often. In fact, most reasonable people would think that occupying a sovereign nation, by land or by air, and risking lives for the sake of extracting fossilised plant/animal goop would be fairly ridiculous, but here we are yet again. The most unique aspect of this 'conflict' is in its bigotry. The fact that there are several Arab nations embroiled in protests and our media focus solely on, what is relatively, one of the lesser struggles by protestors by comparison, shows that there is a marked difference in the wests concerns for the demonstrators in Libya, than those of any other country mentioned. Are you implying that because the revolutions and killings in the Ivory Coast, or Algeria, or Sudan have gone unreported and have been happening an awful lot longer than other uprisings accross Africa and the ME, that these should somehow be deemed less important. These lives worth significantly less. Out of sight out of mind?

And did you not notice the extremely cautious nature of the U.S.? We didn't even push for a no-fly zone. We were very hesitant, even as Libya appeared on the verge of collapse. Now when things look worse for the rebels and with the approval of the Arab League we only just felt ready to support a UN-backed attack on Gaddafi.

Yes, I was well aware of the US's 'extremely cautious nature'. Hilary Clinton told the House Foreign Affairs Commitee at the CFR, as much that "the United States is cautious about sending troops to Libya because it wants to avoid perceptions that it's doing so for oil". Oil was such a ridiculous notion and premise for war that it needed to be spelled out as the only reason the US didn't want public opinion to be focussed on. Instead, have France and Britain lead the rhetoric and, learning from legal mistakes of the past such as the bungled 45-minute dossier, aim for resolutions passed through the proper channels to avoid another illegal war and instead have a perfectly legal, albeit highly unethical one.

Do you know why this is such a bad situation for the U.S.? Because we ALWAYS lose. No matter what we do. It's a catch-22 and if half of the people in the world were smart enough to realize that, then perhaps these dilemmas wouldn't be so daunting. If we go in to stop him, then naturally we must want oil/bases/US presence/etc. If we don't go in, we are "letting" him murder people and kill civilians and we get accused of inaction.

I disagree. If you hadn't, as a nation, positioned yourselves as the nosey neighbours to the west who just can't seem to let other nations settle their differences from the start, you wouldn't be expected to be on the doorstep every time something like this erupts (though, you're not and so my argument that you're not involved in other similar, longer and more destructive conflicts, or even that your government illicits and funds the dictatorial regimes of other countries, is not based on an assumption that you should be involved everywhere, quite the opposite, you shouldn't, its based solely on the affectation of the 'one rule for one and another for the rest' employed by NATO led countries)

And your ridiculous assertion that these are fake "rebels" and all that makes you sound more delusional than Gaddafi. Back up your statements with facts. With sources that aren't some chic website's hearsay! Do you know how logistically impossible and unrealistic it is to fake all this news all around the world without any leaks? It's so ridiculous to even address that it boggles the mind. Surely there could be some manipulation as frequently the press and people have biases and such, but you are really pushing the envelope there.

So yet another ridiculous assertation? I'm not assserting that these protestors, demonstrators or rebels are anything other than what I can compare to based on historical precidence. The staged pro-Gadhafi displays are absolutely pathetic, agreed?. When you consider that our countries have experience and resources way beyond the means of paying a group of flag waving idiots to charge a press room, and have been involved in the coup d'état, infiltration and false revolutions of ten's of sovereign nations for many decades now (and that most African nations whose power changed hands in western backed coups, are the very nations facing revolt now); further afield, Venezeula would be a noteable failure. So with all this insurgency and infiltration experience our governments have, how does it seem far fetched that when all we have are unconfirmed reports of deaths, and nonsensical video evidence of fighter planes dropping low impact bombs into open desert land, that this is all staged? This is not a stretch at all for those willing to accept the historical truths of clandestine warfare.

Breaking. Libya declares ceasefire with immediate effect.

news.sky.com... 103315954839?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15954839_Gaddafi_Closes_Air_Space_Over_Libya_As_Britain_Sends_Aircraft_To_Enforce_No-Fly_Zo ne%3A_Ceasefire

The Libyan government has announced an immediate ceasefire, less than two hours after Prime Minister David Cameron said British fighter jets would be deployed to enforce a United Nations no-fly zone.

Slimey bastard. Will be interesting to see what happens in the near future. he has bought a few more days.

Sorry about the link, check sky news, or type ceasefire into Google News search.

According to the CIA Factbook,France uses the most oil exported from Lybia.
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Yeas ,they started the no fly zone..but waiting for U.S. satellites and "smart" bombs to hit ground weapons first,when needed.

Don't forget..we already blew it telling new regimes to "step up,"in other Countries, then realized they might not be western worlds best allies taking over.
I'm sure France and other importing countries of Libyan oil want to make sure that they get the right guys in place to keep the oil flowing once Qadaffi is knocked out.

Isnt that why we're really going in anyways? It's not about the people...it's about the flow of oil. Gotta put the RIGHT people in to take over.
Arab Countries and France have all approved now. So now it's a GO. And DON"T bomb those oil fields..and MAKE SURE Qaddaffi doesn't either.
Big Fat Phony Trasparent Jerks.. All of them. My bad..it's a humanatarian effort.

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
More profiteering by the military complex...

War is business, and business is good.

~Namaste

Another illegal war. Who voted for this act of war?

What a carefully calculated plan I'd say. Right when everyone was thinking about Japan the UN sneakily wants to now send troops to Libya. Now that Libya claim to have ordered ceasefire in their country, I can still bet UN invasion will commence.

Originally posted by Big Raging Loner
Breaking. Libya declares ceasefire with immediate effect.

news.sky.com... 103315954839?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15954839_Gaddafi_Closes_Air_Space_Over_Libya_As_Britain_Sends_Aircraft_To_Enforce_No-Fly_Zo ne%3A_Ceasefire

The Libyan government has announced an immediate ceasefire, less than two hours after Prime Minister David Cameron said British fighter jets would be deployed to enforce a United Nations no-fly zone.

Slimey bastard. Will be interesting to see what happens in the near future. he has bought a few more days.

Sorry about the link, check sky news, or type ceasefire into Google News search.

edit on 18-3-2011 by Big Raging Loner because: Crap link.

Seems like the whole ceasefire announcement was BS......
Libyan Rebels Dismiss Cease-fire Declaration

Sigh.

Why don't the ARAB countries help the Lybians?

reply to post by AeonStorm


It is just because you don't feel any danger from these movements. It was so clear that 'another dictator another invasion' was going to happen . These dictators or terrorists were backed by the US G and they were doing what US G wanted until the last minutes before invasions ( Saddam - Bin laden and now Qaddafi ). America and it's allies are not doing it alone. There are always leaders in the Middle East countries who let them do it in a reasonable way.

I am so sorry for myself living in this era . people all around the world do not understand what is going to happen. they just like to live a normal life but they don't know how.

I give an example : Suppose that you are a father of a family . you just want to have normal family and live a normal life - just suppose. suppose there is a tough guy ( king of the hood ) in your hood and he is the most powerful in your town. every family in your hood has to pay him to live peacefully . one day this man starts to go to the other hood . he kills the king of that hood, invades the houses and takes the properties of the former king . he repeats this behavior and he starts to act madly . one day the people living in your hood decide to do something but there was not a single idea about the issue.

what can they do :

#1 : Stand there and think about what is going on because it is so complicated .

#2 : Stand there and watch . because the other hoods deserve that. they don't bleed like we do.

#3 : Start negotiating with this guy . he is reasonable guy and this could be stopped.

#4 : We don't give a damn as long as we are on the winner's side. so be it.

#5 : We know that this madness is threatening our peace and our families. we should take it seriously.

## : You are no father and you wish to stay a child all the time

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I just knew this is going to happen as I was making this threat :

Another dictator - Another taking over - will America get into action ?

reply to post by Evanescence


"And your ridiculous assertion that these are fake "rebels" and all that makes you sound more delusional than Gaddafi. Back up your statements with facts."

Lets see your "facts" these "rebels" exist?.. not "hearsay" or "I read it on the internet"..

People in America are 1000s of miles away from having the slightest first hand clue whats going on in Libya.. if EU reporters were covering a rebellion on US soil, would foreigners know the difference between "Crips" and "Bloods" shooting at police?.. who would know the difference if it was reported those gangsters were "rebels" battling "obama forces"?

Unless you are there witnessing it, you're personally ignorant to actual facts on the ground.. supporting more war & death based on ignorance is gullible to the point of stupid.

You wouldn't think knowing the truth such a trivial matter if your family/friends/nation was being targeted for death & occupation.. cheered on by warmongering strangers 1000s of miles away because their govt & media said it was ok.

Sure they lied about Vietnam.. and 9/11.. and Iraq..and Afghanistan.. but this time, the MSM & govt are telling the truth.

LMK when gaddafi kills as many innocent people as the GOP & DNC.

CNN said they already launched 114 tomahawk cruise missles at $569,000 a piece.
So the US is already in this for $64,866,000.

reply to post by SevenThunders


The War Powers Act allows the President to use force against another country as long as it was authorized by the UN. You can read up on it here: www.loc.gov...

I wonder if Tomahawk Cruise Missles have a "used by" date? Maybe that's why we wanted this resolution. Use these things before the expire so we can buy some more.

On a serious note, if there is an uprising in the US, the UN will not allow the government to strike back against it. So, to all the arm chair revolutionaries and reactionaries out there, nows the time. What? Still waiting for someone to lead you? Okay, maybe next year.