U.N. Authorizes Military Strikes on Libya

Originally posted by mydarkpassenger
reply to post by martin3030

 

This from a citizen of the country that once carved the middle east into countries and invented Iraq, all for oil? Actually, you may know a good deal more about that than us yanks. Carry on.

EDIT: not a reply to all brits!!! Just this one

edit on 17-3-2011 by mydarkpassenger because: (no reason given)

This certainly is a response to all Brits and an attempt to sway off topic. We are not the governments of the past, or hopefully the present unless this is your job. The lies and actions taken by all of our historical governments leading up to and within war time are atrocious, we know this. Let's not descend into an us vs. them mentality over who's government has indiscriminately killed more than others in the last few hundred years. It's yours, in case you wanted a definitive answer, but let's not dwell on that. I don't blame you as you would seem to blame citizens of the UK for ancestral mistakes.

Notwithstanding this, your reply to my post suggest's an about turn on what you said earlier about removing Gadhafi as quickly as possible, so please do elaborate - - do you feel we should remove all dictators whose countrymen and women are calling for reform or only those who aren't financially or strategically rewarding to the west?

It is establishing the UN and its military arm, NATO, as the world's "peace keeping" (read. defacto military) force. Let;s just hope they get it over with quickly like Gulf War I. As I recall gold and oil tanked once hostilities started.

This is crazy! Obama called the French and British leaders to discuss the steps involved just after the resolution was passed.
I wonder if gaddafi captures Bengazi today will everything still take place?
When does everyone think we'll see nato bombing runs on Tripoli if at all?
And will gaddafi still fly his airforce or respect the no-fly zone?
All interesting questions that only time can.answer.

If we would have taken him out in the 80's (I think...Ronnie Ray Gun was Prez...if I remember correct)

Had we finished the job then, this nut would be long gone. He ranks right up there with Ineedajob from Iran and Kim Jong from Korea.

We don't need boots on the ground, just obliterate them from the air.

Ok, now I wait for the peace and love hippies to come in and flame me for this post.

And so, 6 reactors are melting down, PU and tons of spent fuel in the mix, the people abandoned without proper evacuation in Japan and dust particle cloud going to land west coast soon.

But lets not let the news continue with this, lets get another war, in a crippled economy, going, and distract all the sheep.

Just brilliant. So the news has switched from the biggest danger and doom to a this artifical distraction that will not even touch the ones suppressing the people but only torture the people.

I want all the leaders of the world brought to justice, with the bankers, and the corporate heads. ASAP.

You guys are not going to take another step in that direction. Head to the corner your OUT!

reply to post by Feltrick


Don't you get it?

What happened in Tunisia and Egypt scared the hell out of the rest of the dictators in the middle east.

The inaction of the International Community over Libya until now, when the rebels are almost finished, is an effort to maintain status quo. They have this big vote, oh hooray.

And the rebels all die. Never seeing a bit of help against a brutal nutcase.

Status quo preserved. Everybody with money is happy. The fire in the middle east is put out.

What do you think emboldened Bahrain to call for Saudi forces?

The western world's tacit approval via inaction. Much talk, much blood spilled, nothing done.

Situation normal.

Wonder why so many Arabs hate us? Because we don't think they are human enough to be worthy of consideration, and in fact support oppressive regimes for all of our benefit in the western world.

We democracies are talking good games. And talking is all.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
If we would have taken him out in the 80's (I think...Ronnie Ray Gun was Prez...if I remember correct)

Same story with Saddam in early 90's. US and its allies are not in the business of deposing naughty dictators. They are in the business of trying to turn naughty dictators into cooperative dictators. Gadhafi is case in point. Several years ago he decided to play ball with the West, and suddenly he was no longer on the ignore list.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
Had we finished the job then, this nut would be long gone. He ranks right up there with Ineedajob from Iran and Kim Jong from Korea.

And who do you think would have replaced him in the 80's? Chances of one dictator replacing another in Third World countries are very high.

Originally posted by Acid_Burn2009
We don't need boots on the ground, just obliterate them from the air.

Good luck. How has that worked out with Osama? In reality, the US is most likely going to sit this one out. This is just some PR play by Obama.

reply to post by Unity_99


It is hardly an "artificial distraction" to those dieing. And those about to die.

reply to post by mydarkpassenger


What do you mean? Is it wrong to not want to see our soldiers dragged into another war? A "no-fly zone" is an act of war, it doesn't matter how you wanna look at it, it's war and we can not afford another war. Sure Gaddafi is crazy, but so are the other Middle eastern dictators. If America cares so much about the people how come we didn't stand up for the people of S.A? Or Bahrain?

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


Hehehe, peace keepers are from communism/socialism. The U.N are nothing but communists.

www.smh.com.au...
this hits the nail on the head. Hypocrisy at it's most blatant.

Originally posted by Unity_99
And so, 6 reactors are melting down,

Nope.

PU and tons of spent fuel in the mix, the people abandoned without proper evacuation in Japan

Maybe

and dust particle cloud going to land west coast soon.

nope

2/4....better than average for this place!!

reply to post by Pr0t0


Can you actually quote what statement of mine you are referring to? You are a little vague.

Originally posted by Pr0t0
www.smh.com.au...
this hits the nail on the head. Hypocrisy at it's most blatant.

edit on 17-3-2011 by Pr0t0 because: (no reason given)

But hang on - the SMH is MSM - and het MSM only tells what it is allowed to and it is all lies - so this must be a lie too!!

reply to post by Rockdisjoint


The fact is, if we had actually lived up to Obama's word weeks ago on Libya, what is happening in Bahrain would never have happened. We green-lighted Bahrain by sitting on our hands with Gaddafy.

We (the International Community) snuffed out the fuse that roared from Tunisia to Egypt and beyond through inaction.

This "authorization" is too little too late, and just what the money changers wanted - status quo and damned the people.

Face it, it ain't just America who deals with and supports dictators and says to hell with the people that must live under them.

The ugly truth is most so-called ""Western" nations do this.

What matters a bunch of Arabs wanting simple freedoms in this grand equation?

Apparently not much.

Small wonder the Arab Street is angry with us all.

There is immense wealth in these countries, but the citizens share little of that, no matter how hard they work.

And if they open their mouths, they are jailed and tortured.

That is not right.

reply to post by mydarkpassenger


What about all the innocent people that America kills daily in Pakistan? Are they not important too? Or what about the dictator we prop up in Bosnia, he does horrible things to his people on a daily basis and America never says a thing about helping them or the people of the Ivory coast. What makes Libya so special?

@ mydarkpassenger

Do you argue just for the sake of arguing?

This international community has sat on our asses the last month as these people begged for help and died.

This is a civil matter! What the hell? We should just police everything? People die in these matters all the time. I'm not saying any of it is right ... but really .... where do you want to draw the line?

How are we going to airdrop jets to them or assault copters or even rudimentary supplies when the government forces will shoot the hell out of them on the ground the moment we leave and long before they can make use of those supplies?

Nice ... That's your contribution? Turn what I say into something absurd and attack my intelligence instead of expanding the plausibilty of the idea? Sorry, not going to respond to that.

Come on, think!

I have thought about it and there are many ideas that come to my mind. But it seems like it would be pointless to talk about them because the end result would only be a back-and-forth argument since you seem to show no flex in the matter. Not in the mood.

Oh ... BTW ... I believe the Arab League has all the muscle needed to quell this situation!

six members: Egypt, Iraq, Transjordan (renamed Jordan after 1946), Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. Yemen joined as a member on 5 May 1945.

Source

Don't tell me this league couldn't get the job done on it's own.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by mydarkpassenger

 

What makes Libya so special?

The worlds attention.