BREAKING : UN Security Council authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

Wait one second. Gaddafi is supposed to just let the rebels tear Libya apart? Is that what Netanyahu would do if the Palestinians take up arms against the Israeli government?

Doesn't matter if it's Washington, london, moscow, israel or saudia arabia...shameless double standards, you can count on it!



I just hope the false prophet d.p. doesn't turn out to be a true prophet after all, therefore I'm hoping against this libya conflict actually being a trap that America/Europe has just been roped into.

Originally posted by Romanian
reply to post by Discover

 

It is not thought that the US would be involved in the first strikes, but the British and French are likely to get logistical backup from Arab allies.

Source: BBC
www.bbc.co.uk...

Thats BS, show me one example of when the UK or French led the way on anything. I would be shocked if they do ANY fighting let alone at the forefront.

My step son who's in the Navy is somewhere off the coast of Libya right now, while I don't know exactly where since that's classified I can assure you the it will once again be the US doing all the heavy lifting.

Originally posted by CordDragonzord
It's funny how similar Obama is to Bush, hell, they even look the same to me.

Instead of taking troops out of the middle east he is sending more, great.

Wait...Obama is president of the earth? this was the UN, not the US.

Its amazing how much italian president mario is like bush...or etc etc etc (name all members of world politics here).

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lol I do need to go to sleep, nearly morning here, not good! maybe when I wake up in the morning, Gadaffi will be having a party with Ceausescu

Originally posted by Romanian
The purpose of UN is NOT to create jobs . Lets see what the purpose if UN is:

The purpose of the United Nations is to bring all nations of the world together to work for peace and development, based on the principles of justice, human dignity and the well-being of all people

I see. The purpose of the UN is to write nicely worded mission statements and decree letters of seemingly benevolent nature. How noble of them.

Originally posted by Romanian
Really, do you think this would be the way the people are debating this issue?

They can debate it all their want, but there is little realistic outcome. It is more like each sides states their own opinion over and over again, rather than an actual debate.

Originally posted by Romanian
Do you realise that the reputation of the 5 could go down the drain if Gaddafi is removed and population will surface horror stories on how bad the dictator was? I guess they did not laugh!

No, they won't go down anywhere. Rational explanations can always be found for why they didn't support the "no fly zone". Reputation in international politics is a complex thing, factoring in economics, alliances, and of course politics. The people boo a country one day, cheer it the next day, based on what they hear in the nightly news. Impact on the country from these mood swings = zero.

Originally posted by Romanian
Not having a no-fly zone would help more?

No, but cheering this decree as if it will magically save the Libyan people is premature at best.

Originally posted by Romanian
The resolution had some provisions, allowing some extra steps to protect the civilians .

How realistic are they, and even if executed will they work as planned?

I am not saying that this resolution by the UN is not nice or benevolent in theory. But there is a big gap between theory, even if on paper, and real outcome. Who is going to fill the gap?

Originally posted by Romanian
I did not meant EU as an entity , we hardly agree each-other down here

I meant EU states. France will take the lead this time, UK will help.

And what is France going to do? Send Sarkozy to Libya to tell Gadhafi that he has been a bad boy? And do you really think UK is itching to get its hands dirty in this quagmire?

dont know if anyone has seen this yet but seems of some relevance too what is happening.

www.youtube.com...


i know there cannot be anyone here that believes this is really for their citizens? if we wanna save some innocent lives im thinking japan is still pretty f__ed up. this comes down to energy. oil !!

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What good is a no fly zone if the Libyans have tanks and a large standing army? Authorizing a no fly zone is ridiculous. All the Libyans are going to do is hide their planes and use their ground forces to stabilize their country.

We all need to stay out of this one.

Why?

Because the ongoing destabilization program orchestrated by western intelligence agencies is just a scheme to drive oil speculation up on the N.Y. Merc.- designed to ripoff every consumer of petro products and related petro products which is just about everything sold today.

This is not about freedom of anybody, but merely an elaborate operation serving the interests of oil producers to mine our pockets.

Wake up people.

Originally posted by letscit
dont know if anyone has seen this yet but seems of some relevance too what is happening.

www.youtube.com...


i know there cannot be anyone here that believes this is really for their citizens? if we wanna save some innocent lives im thinking japan is still pretty f__ed up. this comes down to energy. oil !!

DITTO!

I appreciate you posting what you did. I was going to hold off on what I posted above because no one ever seems to get the oil connection in anything. Since you posted what you did I went ahead with what I did.

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the no fly zone includes the go ahead to strike ground forces of gaddafi, if they are a threat too civi's.

that is a good thing.

it might be a lot of drones and aircraft doing this.

Originally posted by fooks
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

the no fly zone includes the go ahead to strike ground forces of gaddafi, if they are a threat too civi's.

that is a good thing.

it might be a lot of drones and aircraft doing this.

Then that's ummmmm a full scale WAR.

reply to post by LilDudeissocool


Ummmmm no...

Full scale war is ground presence, setting up military bases, rebuilding the country, training the country's police and military, negotiations, deals, etc...

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The fact that people think we're going to get into a ground war with Libyan forces loyal to Ghaddafi is laughable.


Everything but rebuilding and training if you want to fight a non-PC war.

Yep, its official - it is not 2011, but 1981!!!

I'm going to go listen to "Ceremony" by Joy Division on cassette. Anybody see Reagan's latest poll numbers?

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I know... I was visiting another thread about this topic and people were already calling out that this will be a World War... I mean... You know... HELLO!? Libya people! This is Libya! 20 jets or something?

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I listened over and over again and I swear he says the US security council

Originally posted by Snappahead
So, are they still civilians if they have guns? One thing that puzzles me about the whole Libya thing is how the media continues to call the people fighting the government civilians, even though they have clearly armed themselves, have mutinous elements of the Libyan army.

It's all about the image the media wants to portray. If the media were to call these people "armed militants hell-bent on overthrowing their government", people would naturally feel less inclined to be supportive of their cause. Calling them innocent civilians makes it easier for Libya to be invaded under the guise of helping them, when in reality, TPTB could care less about who lives and dies as long as it serves their goals.

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For god sake people... Think!

The news refer unarmed civilians as civilians and armed civilians as rebels. But they are both on the same side.

Originally posted by Jepic
reply to post by LilDudeissocool

 

Ummmmm no...

Full scale war is ground presence, setting up military bases, rebuilding the country, training the country's police and military, negotiations, deals, etc...

Taking out targets beyond enforcing a "No Fly Zone" is full scale war. Boots on the ground does not determine the definition of a full scale war. I can assure you if you are bombing a country you are at war with it.

PS Also how are the rebels going to call in an air strike when they will be in very close proximity to Libyan forces?


THIS IS AN ALL AROUND VERY BAD DEAL FOR US!

Originally posted by trollz

Originally posted by Snappahead
So, are they still civilians if they have guns? One thing that puzzles me about the whole Libya thing is how the media continues to call the people fighting the government civilians, even though they have clearly armed themselves, have mutinous elements of the Libyan army.

It's all about the image the media wants to portray. If the media were to call these people "armed militants hell-bent on overthrowing their government", people would naturally feel less inclined to be supportive of their cause. Calling them innocent civilians makes it easier for Libya to be invaded under the guise of helping them, when in reality, TPTB could care less about who lives and dies as long as it serves their goals.

Very true.