BREAKING : UN Security Council authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

I really didn't think ww3 would happen so soon. Get ready for nukes, boys. This ship is going down, sadly.

The Chinese Ballistic Missile being a threat to our carriers is a Propaganda mission.They have one. But according to our military the Russians tried to develop one and deemed it impossible to hit a moving target that small and I'm sure there's more to it than that because they the Russians make great weapons and know what they are doing.

But a chance it would even then get through the task forces missile defense system. That has to be the most heavily defended target in the world. Not a chance in Hell. It wouldn't get with in 150 miles of one the US Navy's super carriers Keep in mind we hit a falling satellite in space within 10 inches of the fuel cell of the sat so the FUEL was destroyed and couldn't cause contamination.

It is important to distinguish what is meant by approving all measures short of invasion. Theoretical no fly zone's don't work. People misinteperet the words of those who advocate these interventions. A no fly zone is a form of warfare. It requires airstrikes. They don't just say you can't fly there and no one does. It will require them to destroy airstrips, plane hangars and other infastructure. This will cuase both military and civilians deaths. The costs for a foreign nation to carry this out on a soveriegn Libya far outways the benefits of doing so. Not to mention it is to late for a no fly zone. Qaddafi still has dominant land craft, armored viehcles and a trained military. A no drive zone will have to be carried out in unison for NATO and the UN to achieve anything with this. To me it seems like a waste of time and resources. I am predictng a foreign invasion is iminent.

Well other than Special Ops it will not be US troops on the ground. Not a chance. Obama can't decide where tee time should be or where to go on vacation (Michelle picked RIO). On this one I agree. US troops shouldn't set foot on Libyan soil. Not even a Seal Team or other SOCOM teams. This is France's mission let them handle it. I would love to see the War Criminal Hang. But who's gonna replace him? I doubt it will be democracy. I hope and pray.

I would love to comment much on this topic, but I can't. I'm one of the schmucks involved.

Let me just say that I think I'm getting too old for this $%#! and leave it at that.

Sometimes, you just have to trust that the folks in charge are making the right decisions. I hope so. We can speculate on the reasons all day long. We can watch ________ and make comments as well as the paid pundits on tv. But at the end of the day, it all comes down to, "Did we make a difference? Did we do something right?"

I, for one, certainly hope so. God! I hope so.

Did anybody notice the very modern looking Chinese Missile cruiser off the Libyan coast? It looked like a knock off of an Aegis class US cruiser. Fox news stated it's the first Chinese warship ever to be in the Med Sea. Which Can't be right. I'm sure in the last 6000 years they had one or two there. I wonder what they're trying to do accomplish. Extremely dangerous to have it there. THAT could start World War 3 and it could be a complete mistake.

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Well If your going to see the ELEPHANT. Be careful. SEMPER FI

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the same could be said about insurgents in iraq and afghanistan or else there is some huge hypocrisy going on

This is great news, very much welcomed by the people in Lybia, as for that I do not understand why so many people here on ATS are so negative. It will mainly be the UK and France to enforce this no-fly zone, not the US. And there will be no ground troops. This decision proofs the world can act.

Originally posted by SNAFU38
Australian news just showed live footage of the crowds in Libya when they heard the news from the UN. There is celebratory gunfire etc. & I can only imagine a great feeling of relief.

Down here, they are being called anti-government rebels, not civilians.

A question to those who may know, does Ghaddafi have any chemical/bio weapons ? I have a bad feeling he is going to let all hell loose before the UN can get in there.

Its being reported air strikes may begin within hours, but that still gives him time to do as much damage as he can.

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That's because they are anti-government rebels, there's no conspiracy. What you're seeing in Libya is a civil-war.

Naturally I'm rooting for those in opposition to Ghadafi, but make no mistake about OUR governments intentions. Our support for the rebels is a power grab.

The no fly-zone and outside intervention should be absolutely opposed.

In Britain they keep talking about the "international community" and their support for this. According to the BBC the international community is Britain, France, South Africa and America. The rest of the world isn't part of it.

Originally posted by Spinoza73
This is great news, very much welcomed by the people in Lybia, as for that I do not understand why so many people here on ATS are so negative. It will mainly be the UK and France to enforce this no-fly zone, not the US. And there will be no ground troops. This decision proofs the world can act.

The Iraq war was welcomed by the people of Iraq. The rebels don't understand what they're getting.

And who is welcoming this news, only the rebels. Despite the propoganda of the Western media and the fact we might not like it, Ghadafi is HEAVILY supported.

I wonder if the rebels will feel the same way about the no-fly zone(it's actually alot more if you read the small print), whne they have a pro-Western government pawn who sells their country down the river. I think not.

This is what the media have wanted for weeks, it's working a treat. You think you're on the right side, but those with understanding of the situation aren't throwing in with anyone. You've been brainwashed by the media, unfortunately.

Everybody always forgets Canada and UM THE ARAB LEAGUE??? what about them they seem to have the most to gain or lose. And then there are the brave Libyan people. They are also involved... are they not?

You call them rebels, but after watching Al Jazeera (not sure if Al Jazeera can be watched again in the US) for the last few weeks there's no doubt it's the citizens of Lybia who want to get rid of their leader, and they legitimately want so. At the same time I do understand some of the cynical reactions: what will come of this and why didn't the West intervene in Bahrein, where a similar movement is violently crushed?

Have you even considered the person your talking to may live in Iraq or even Libya? This an International forum. The Iraqi people you are suggesting would prefer to have Saddam insane and his torture chambers back and up and running? I'd love to see your source?

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the west isn't intervening in bahrain because the weapons being used were sold by americans lol, thats why they told the saudis not to go all out and just a little force.

Bahrain should have also been discussed at the UN. Why is it always the West that has to take action and baby sit the Middle East? Why can't the very well armed Arab League. Address issues in Arab countries. Or ask for help from the UN security council? Why are they so Irresponsible? If there was to be an intervention they should have acted two weeks ago. But every other country that tries to help get's ridiculed. Obviously didn't want to get involved or they wouldn't have waited this long.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
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$3.8 trillion total for 2011

DOD is over $700 billion. That is not half.

Half would be $1.9 trillion

Healthcare, pensions and welfare take up half though.

I meant defense. Which includes intel, foreign aid for stabilization, black budget etc.

My mistake for only stating "DoD" which is still a big fat pig at a quarter of the budget, a single department btw.

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Thanks for that input From my basic skim of the problem I would tend to agree with your points especially the international community of four! but I wonder in a G20 sense what happened to the other 16? I'm guessing the US will fly under the radar on this one, perhaps providing tactical info but not leading the charge due to world opinion regarding other sordid ventures of late but that's just my guess.

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I'm curious what is your credible source on the DOD taking up half the budget?

I meant to state "defense." Or general defense rather. That would cover all departments involved in intel and security foreign and domestic. I corrected in my last post also.